Why Are Democrats Wanting Trump To Cancel Putin Meeting?

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Solar

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 16, 2018, 08:54:49 PM

the fact is, it was never "OUR CASH" to begin with -- it was always Iran's money, we just seized after we reneged on our Arms deal with them long long ago -- when it was ok to sell weapons to them because Reagan said so.


Translation:   Its Iran's money....give it back.  even if it is extortion money.

Thats what you are saying right? Be Honest.   Okay how about this:

So Pauley Walnuts walks into a bar and threatens the manager with a baseball bat unless he forks over 2 grand a week
Pauley shows up every MOnday and stuffs the envelope in his pocket and kicks up a certain percentage to Tony Soprano. One monday after Pauley gets an envelope half a dozen cops stick guns in his face and lock him up. They find the safe he was stashing all his ill gotten loot in and even his phony back accounts. They seize all the money as evidence and proceed to court. Pauley's scum bag lawyer say that the cops have to give the money back because it is "His" which he earned "legitimately"  and then pays off the Judge to dismiss the "extortion charge" since the Presiding attorney is Eric Holder a corrupt POS himself nobody objects or raises a fuss. Obama gives Pauley a presidential pardon and in the middle of the night the cops load the "evidence" in an unmarked police van and drive it into the Bada Bing where Silvio puts it in his safe and claims it is tips stuffed in the strippers garter belts.

In other words if you want to extort money from people or countries locally or internationally all you have to do is claim it is "yours" and no matter what illegal, unethical or unholy channels you got it through it is "yours" no questions asked.
Let me guess. This story is true, only the names and faces have been rearranged to protect the innocent? :biggrin:

When you mentioned Holder, I seemed to remember a story like this being raised and the LSM quashed it.
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Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2018, 04:39:38 AM
Let me guess. This story is true, only the names and faces have been rearranged to protect the innocent? :biggrin:

When you mentioned Holder, I seemed to remember a story like this being raised and the LSM quashed it.


Holder (who actually handled some of my cases in the old days) let more bad guys walk than he indicted.

That little story is to illustrate to these leftists the absurdity of the claim "It their money". We don;t let gangster keep the money they extorted, stole or robbed from people and you dont let Iranians keep money they extorted from the US. Money obtained from criminal enterprise does not entitle one to keep it.
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WHEN A WRONG IS UNAVENGED THE HEAVENS LOOK DOWN ON US IN SHAME

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Solar

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 17, 2018, 06:59:23 AM

Holder (who actually handled some of my cases in the old days) let more bad guys walk than he indicted.

That little story is to illustrate to these leftists the absurdity of the claim "It their money". We don;t let gangster keep the money they extorted, stole or robbed from people and you dont let Iranians keep money they extorted from the US. Money obtained from criminal enterprise does not entitle one to keep it.
I assumed that were the case, but I don't doubt it actually happened under Holder, where he let his leftist buddies off the hook and let them keep their ill-gotten gains..
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Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2018, 08:07:37 AM
I assumed that were the case, but I don't doubt it actually happened under Holder, where he let his leftist buddies off the hook and let them keep their ill-gotten gains..

I concocted this little story using American Mafia as an anology to illustrate how the Iranian (and other third world govts) operate, anytime I hear some fool blurt out "ITS IRAN'S MONEY".

Iran took the US Embassy Hostage, Carter Froze Iranian assets in the US, The UN did so also but thats another story. Later, when the hostages were released some of the concessions was that Iran would receive "Military" parts and equipment that the Shah had paid for. Instead Reagan fooled them and sold the gear and put the money "into escrow: After all, you dont pay kidnappers and terrorists which is exactly what Iran was/is. Iran contra was pretty much along these lines, those Assholes were still involved in financing terror and a number of US Hostages kidnaped in the middle east were used as leverage, we sold them a bunch of obsolete missile systems and outdated weapons systems.

The point being Iran operated like a bunch of gangsters and these "deals" were coerced with American lives on the line. Freezing their assets was the least we could do to retaliate short of an all out war.

Obama freeing these frozen assets was akin to allowing kidnappers to keep their ransome money or returning assets seized as the result of criminal activety.





Evil operates best when under a disguise

WHEN A CRIME GOES UNPUNISHED THE WORLD IS UNBALANCED

WHEN A WRONG IS UNAVENGED THE HEAVENS LOOK DOWN ON US IN SHAME

IMPEACH BIDEN

Solar

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 17, 2018, 07:32:02 PM
I concocted this little story using American Mafia as an anology to illustrate how the Iranian (and other third world govts) operate, anytime I hear some fool blurt out "ITS IRAN'S MONEY".

Iran took the US Embassy Hostage, Carter Froze Iranian assets in the US, The UN did so also but thats another story. Later, when the hostages were released some of the concessions was that Iran would receive "Military" parts and equipment that the Shah had paid for. Instead Reagan fooled them and sold the gear and put the money "into escrow: After all, you dont pay kidnappers and terrorists which is exactly what Iran was/is. Iran contra was pretty much along these lines, those Assholes were still involved in financing terror and a number of US Hostages kidnaped in the middle east were used as leverage, we sold them a bunch of obsolete missile systems and outdated weapons systems.

The point being Iran operated like a bunch of gangsters and these "deals" were coerced with American lives on the line. Freezing their assets was the least we could do to retaliate short of an all out war.

Obama freeing these frozen assets was akin to allowing kidnappers to keep their ransome money or returning assets seized as the result of criminal activety.
And giving them cash to boot. How is it people can't see what The Marxist did in giving terrorists cash?
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Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2018, 07:46:17 PM
And giving them cash to boot. How is it people can't see what The Marxist did in giving terrorists cash?


Again, that is how Criminals and gangsters operate, their business is a cash business, no money trail to follow.  How much of that "Cash" made it to Iran? Did ANY of it make it to Iran?
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IMPEACH BIDEN

Solar

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 17, 2018, 08:37:51 PM

Again, that is how Criminals and gangsters operate, their business is a cash business, no money trail to follow.  How much of that "Cash" made it to Iran? Did ANY of it make it to Iran?
And more importantly, how many terrorist organizations benefitted from it?
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Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 17, 2018, 07:32:02 PM

Iran took the US Embassy Hostage, Carter Froze Iranian assets in the US, The UN did so also but thats another story.

This is why I don't have respect for fake conservatives -- you conveniently leave out the fact that we removed Iran's duly elected leader and installed our own -- and we are supposed to pretend that wouldn't cause resistance from some Iranians?

Can you imagine if Russia or China removed our president and installed one of their choosing -- are you telling me you would be just fine with it?

I have no problem with that money being returned as part of a denuke deal -- just like I will have no problem with lifting sanctions on NK if it is part of a denuke deal -- I don't care which president is making the deal

It's childish to only like deals/treaties based on who was the president at the time, especially when those deals outlive the president who made them

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Quote from: Biff_Poindexter on July 18, 2018, 06:53:24 AM
This is why I don't have respect for fake conservatives -- you conveniently leave out the fact that we removed Iran's duly elected leader and installed our own -- and we are supposed to pretend that wouldn't cause resistance from some Iranians?

Can you imagine if Russia or China removed our president and installed one of their choosing -- are you telling me you would be just fine with it?

I have no problem with that money being returned as part of a denuke deal -- just like I will have no problem with lifting sanctions on NK if it is part of a denuke deal -- I don't care which president is making the deal

It's childish to only like deals/treaties based on who was the president at the time, especially when those deals outlive the president who made them


Yeah when was that....1953...?  And the 'Leader' that was deposed was a KGB puppet, you know, the KGB, Alma Mater of your boy Putin whom you are ready to go to war over.  Stalin grabbed almost a third of Iran and had plans to grab the rest of it, controlling the Gulf. How you think the Iranians that we no longer Iranians all of a sudden but subjects of Mother Russia felt about that? The SHah established freedom for millions of Iranians, educated them and tried to bring his underdevleped country into the 20th century despite the insane yapping from the Mullahs and the Ayatollah who wanted to keep it back in the 14th century so they could mutilate a womans Vagina and keep her as chattel.

You dont "denuke" a country by giving it untold billions in cash and no guarentee's for what you are getting in return....thats just plain stupid.

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WHEN A CRIME GOES UNPUNISHED THE WORLD IS UNBALANCED

WHEN A WRONG IS UNAVENGED THE HEAVENS LOOK DOWN ON US IN SHAME

IMPEACH BIDEN

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Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 18, 2018, 07:35:45 PM

Yeah when was that....1953...?  And the 'Leader' that was deposed was a KGB puppet, you know, the KGB, Alma Mater of your boy Putin whom you are ready to go to war over.  Stalin grabbed almost a third of Iran and had plans to grab the rest of it, controlling the Gulf. How you think the Iranians that we no longer Iranians all of a sudden but subjects of Mother Russia felt about that? The SHah established freedom for millions of Iranians, educated them and tried to bring his underdevleped country into the 20th century despite the insane yapping from the Mullahs and the Ayatollah who wanted to keep it back in the 14th century so they could mutilate a womans Vagina and keep her as chattel.

You dont "denuke" a country by giving it untold billions in cash and no guarentee's for what you are getting in return....thats just plain stupid.
The 1950's and 1850's called, and asked that stupid leftists stop stealing their material.

Crusades are kind of miffed too.

None of the bullshit that these fools whine about, affected anybody alive today.  What a hoot.  Well, no, I fully understand that it MAY take 1000 years for various victims get over the horrors; I've heard that one.  Just keep sending money.

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Quote from: Cadescove on July 19, 2018, 03:21:45 PM


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Yikes!  Scary image!
Well, thanks for showing us just how low the left is willing to go.
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Quote from: Solar on July 19, 2018, 03:32:19 PM
Well, thanks for showing us just how low the left is willing to go.
Yes, this is a reflection on you.

They don't even remember anymore that acting like ignorant childish jackasses, was ever considered wrong.

What a bizarre trajectory.

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Quote from: LegalAmerican on July 19, 2018, 05:06:26 PM
,,,,,1.8 billion dollars to Iran.  IN CASH.
Therein lies the problem. Obozo should never have given a terrorist country cash, even if it was their own, you can't track cash.
The fact that the Marxist did it, screams Terrorist Appeaser.
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