Democrats are usually falling all over themselves to have meetings with leftists. So why all the outrage about meeting with Putin?
My take is they are coming to some realization that Trump usually succeeds. They are petrified Trump will have a successful meeting from an American standpoint and further galvanize his support.
Like when your dad used to threaten to talk to your best friends father. You just knew he'd divulge things you didn't want dad to know.
The Dims are the delinquent kids and Trump is playing dad.
Quote from: supsalemgr on July 14, 2018, 07:46:58 AM
Democrats are usually falling all over themselves to have meetings with leftists. So why all the outrage about meeting with Putin?
My take is they are coming to some realization that Trump usually succeeds. They are petrified Trump will have a successful meeting from an American standpoint and further galvanize his support.
What a bald faced cheat by the little bastards.
First Rosenstein creates a false attack on America by Russia with his indictments, right before Trump goes there.
Then all the democrats read directly from a script that reads "Trump can't meet with Russia or he's a dupe and a traitor."
They see him succeeding wherever he goes in Asia and Europe, so now they're panicking and trying to poison or stop all of his diplomacy and negotiating.
How pitiful and pathetic can they become ? They've gone from simple obstructionism, to trying to make America fail, and stop American success, at every turn.
They're also freaking out about how Trump successes are continually making Obama look like an 8-year schmuck and loser.
Quote from: AndyJackson on July 14, 2018, 08:24:37 AM
What a bald faced cheat by the little bastards.
First Rosenstein creates a false attack on America by Russia with his indictments.
Then all the democrats read directly from a script that reads "Trump can't meet with Russia or he's a dupe and a traitor."
They see him succeeding wherever he goes in Asia and Europe, so now they're panicking and trying to poison or stop all of his diplomacy and negotiating.
How pitiful and pathetic can they become ? They've gone from simple obstructionism, to trying to make America fail, and stop American success, at every turn.
They're also freaking out about how Trump successes are continually making Obama look like an 8-year schmuck and loser.
I think the thing that really gets them with obamas legacy is that trumps crowd size was shown to be bigger than obamas. They have never accepted that, and it continues to grind their gears.
Quote from: Solar on July 14, 2018, 08:24:14 AM
Like when your dad used to threaten to talk to your best friends father. You just knew he'd divulge things you didn't want dad to know.
The Dims are the delinquent kids and Trump is playing dad.
Ooh I hated that. Especially when I was just settling into puberty. Never a good thing.
MHO... they dont want trump to make deals.. It was just fine, ground breaking in fact when it was obama giving away our cash and Clinton giving away our secrets (China) but let trump go put the kabash down, offer nothing but a firm resistance to America to be the bank for everyone else and then thats treason!
Quote from: AmericanMom on July 14, 2018, 08:04:30 PM
MHO... they dont want trump to make deals.. It was just fine, ground breaking in fact when it was obama giving away our cash and Clinton giving away our secrets (China) but let trump go put the kabash down, offer nothing but a firm resistance to America to be the bank for everyone else and then thats treason!
They always bet against America.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 14, 2018, 07:13:50 PM
Ooh I hated that. Especially when I was just settling into puberty. Never a good thing.
Yeah, we got busted with old playboy zines. Now the Dims are getting caught with actual children.
Quote from: AmericanMom on July 14, 2018, 08:04:30 PM
MHO... they dont want trump to make deals.. It was just fine, ground breaking in fact when it was obama giving away our cash and Clinton giving away our secrets (China) but let trump go put the kabash down, offer nothing but a firm resistance to America to be the bank for everyone else and then thats treason!
Talk about cash...how was Obama able to give Iran 150 billion dollars and Trump can't get 20 billion to build a wall.
I guess that for another day and subject. I was just thinking out loud.
Quote from: Bronx on July 15, 2018, 06:11:57 AM
Talk about cash...how was Obama able to give Iran 150 billion dollars and Trump can't get 20 billion to build a wall.
I guess that for another day and subject. I was just thinking out loud.
How does that $150 million help me as a U.S. Citizen?
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on July 15, 2018, 06:18:17 AM
How does that $150 million help me as a U.S. Citizen?
You can visit the obama outhouse when it gets built.
You know, there is a very small part of me that thinks....or maybe hopes that Putin Turns over 33,000 missing Hillary emails or perhaps some other damning information on the DNC :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:....possibly in exchange for Trump threatening to shut off Putin's cash cow in Europe by flooding Germany and France with US LNG and Oil.
:popcorn:
Quote from: Bronx on July 15, 2018, 06:11:57 AM
Talk about cash...how was Obama able to give Iran 150 billion dollars and Trump can't get 20 billion to build a wall.
I guess that for another day and subject. I was just thinking out loud.
No matter how much you love Trump or hate Obama -- you do yourself no favors to not understand facts. We never gave Iran any money -- well, here is a link..
https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/iran/trump-s-iran-cash-story-oft-told-still-bogus-1.6032057
THE FACTS: There was no $150 billion payout from the U.S. treasury. The money he (Trump) refers to represents Iranian assets held abroad that were frozen until the deal was reached and Tehran was allowed to access its funds. .....and guess what, if there is ever a deal reached with Russia or North Korea -- are you telling me you will opposed to those countries now having access to assets that we previously frozen? Or are you just against it because the black guy did it?
Quote from: Biff_Poindexter on July 16, 2018, 12:12:27 PM
No matter how much you love Trump or hate Obama -- you do yourself no favors to not understand facts. We never gave Iran any money -- well, here is a link..
https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/iran/trump-s-iran-cash-story-oft-told-still-bogus-1.6032057
THE FACTS: There was no $150 billion payout from the U.S. treasury. The money he (Trump) refers to represents Iranian assets held abroad that were frozen until the deal was reached and Tehran was allowed to access its funds.
.....and guess what, if there is ever a deal reached with Russia or North Korea -- are you telling me you will opposed to those countries now having access to assets that we previously frozen? Or are you just against it because the black guy did it?
You'll find the truth buried in how one views "Cash" as opposed to releasing digital funds.
Edit: By the way, Haaretz is a leftist news source in Israel who hates Bibi but loved the Marxist.
https://financialservices.house.gov/uploadedfiles/hhrg-114-ba09-wstate-mdubowitz-20160908.pdf
Quote from: Biff_Poindexter on July 16, 2018, 12:12:27 PM
No matter how much you love Trump or hate Obama -- you do yourself no favors to not understand facts. We never gave Iran any money -- well, here is a link..
https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/iran/trump-s-iran-cash-story-oft-told-still-bogus-1.6032057
THE FACTS: There was no $150 billion payout from the U.S. treasury. The money he (Trump) refers to represents Iranian assets held abroad that were frozen until the deal was reached and Tehran was allowed to access its funds.
.....and guess what, if there is ever a deal reached with Russia or North Korea -- are you telling me you will opposed to those countries now having access to assets that we previously frozen? Or are you just against it because the black guy did it?
What AKA are you posting under at LNF. :lol:
Quote from: Solar on July 16, 2018, 12:44:55 PM
You'll find the truth buried in how one views "Cash" as opposed to releasing digital funds.
Edit: By the way, Haaretz is a leftist news source in Israel who hates Bibi but loved the Marxist.
https://financialservices.house.gov/uploadedfiles/hhrg-114-ba09-wstate-mdubowitz-20160908.pdf
Deflection noted.
Quote from: Biff_Poindexter on July 16, 2018, 01:07:04 PM
Deflection noted.
What deflection? I gave you a solid link to a Government source explaining the cash.
The fact that you chose to believe a leftist news site instead of the actual truth, tends to speak more about you than it does me.
Quote from: Solar on July 16, 2018, 01:12:33 PM
What deflection? I gave you a solid link to a Government source explaining the cash.
The fact that you chose to believe a leftist news site instead of the actual truth, tends to speak more about you than it does me.
the fact is, it was never "OUR CASH" to begin with -- it was always Iran's money, we just seized after we reneged on our Arms deal with them long long ago -- when it was ok to sell weapons to them because Reagan said so.
What you also deflected from was my question -- if North Korea or Russia is given "CASH" in any deal Trump makes with them -- would you be opposed because we gave them CASH -- or would you support it, because Trump told you to..
Quote from: Biff_Poindexter on July 16, 2018, 01:26:51 PM
the fact is, it was never "OUR CASH" to begin with -- it was always Iran's money, we just seized after we reneged on our Arms deal with them long long ago -- when it was ok to sell weapons to them because Reagan said so.
What you also deflected from was my question -- if North Korea or Russia is given "CASH" in any deal Trump makes with them -- would you be opposed because we gave them CASH -- or would you support it, because Trump told you to..
What part of "Cash" do you not get? Iran can do any amount of damage with cash, as opposed to banking transfers which the world can see.
"NK or Russia getting cash"? Straw man, meet match!
Quote from: Biff_Poindexter on July 16, 2018, 01:26:51 PM
the fact is, it was never "OUR CASH" to begin with -- it was always Iran's money, we just seized after we reneged on our Arms deal with them long long ago -- when it was ok to sell weapons to them because Reagan said so.
What you also deflected from was my question -- if North Korea or Russia is given "CASH" in any deal Trump makes with them -- would you be opposed because we gave them CASH -- or would you support it, because Trump told you to..
You dolt. We weren't holding "cash" from Iran but what we gave them was in fact cold hard cash, meant to be in secret under cover of darkness, if this was just a normal procedure to release Iranian assets why not do a bank transfer... :blink: :blink:
You LNF leftist are such tools.
Quote from: AmericanMom on July 16, 2018, 01:50:25 PM
You dolt. We weren't holding "cash" from Iran but what we gave them was in fact cold hard cash, meant to be in secret under cover of darkness, if this was just a normal procedure to release Iranian assets why not do a bank transfer... :blink: :blink:
You LNF leftist are such tools.
:thumbsup: :lol: :thumbsup:
Quote from: AmericanMom on July 16, 2018, 01:50:25 PM
You dolt. We weren't holding "cash" from Iran but what we gave them was in fact cold hard cash, meant to be in secret under cover of darkness, if this was just a normal procedure to release Iranian assets why not do a bank transfer... :blink: :blink:
You LNF leftist are such tools.
Foreign cash was paid because Iran did not have access to the world financial system due to the sanctions. Don't you think it would have been a little easier to do a bank transfer it available??
Quote from: Cadescove on July 16, 2018, 01:59:37 PM
Foreign cash was paid because Iran did not have access to the world financial system due to the sanctions. Don't you think it would have been a little easier to do a bank transfer it available??
obama lifted those sanctions. cash was sent to make it easier for it to disappear.
Quote from: s3779m on July 16, 2018, 02:01:51 PM
obama lifted those sanctions. cash was sent to make it easier for it to disappear.
They were international sanctions, Iran didn't have the bank accounts.
Quote from: Cadescove on July 16, 2018, 02:03:37 PM
They were international sanctions, Iran didn't have the bank accounts.
since obama lifted the sanctions it could have been set up here in the U.S., it happens all the time. , but cash does not leave a paper trail. In other words, obama did not have to send cash.
Quote from: s3779m on July 16, 2018, 02:12:27 PM
since obama lifted the sanctions it could have been set up here in the U.S., it happens all the time. , but cash does not leave a paper trail. In other words, obama did not have to send cash.
Because Iran would have been overjoyed to park their money in a U.S.bank?
Quote from: AmericanMom on July 16, 2018, 01:50:25 PM
You dolt. We weren't holding "cash" from Iran but what we gave them was in fact cold hard cash, meant to be in secret under cover of darkness, if this was just a normal procedure to release Iranian assets why not do a bank transfer... :blink: :blink:
You LNF leftist are such tools.
Hey mommy,
You seem to have access to the internet. Why don't you type in 'why was cash paid to iran' to the search engine of your choice and READ the results?
Quote from: Cadescove on July 16, 2018, 02:14:14 PM
Because Iran would have been overjoyed to park their money in a U.S.bank?
We already had the money, remember? The account would have been to transfer the $ without transferring cash.
Quote from: Cadescove on July 16, 2018, 02:22:09 PM
Hey mommy,
You seem to have access to the internet. Why don't you type in 'why was cash paid to iran' to the search engine of your choice and READ the results?
Here we go, are we gonna have another NotRight like from that other thread about Gohmert?
"Im gonna make a claim but not back it up and you have to prove me wrong. And for cover i am going to act as though what i am saying is such established indisputable fact that it is all that will show up on a google search, with no opposing facts at all." :lol: :lol: :lol:
Buddy u are barking up the wrong tree with this forum. These cantankerous old farts on here will eat u for breakfast if u cant back up what u are spouting. So i will just sit back and watch :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Facts only sir, no feelings...
Quote from: Biff_Poindexter on July 16, 2018, 12:12:27 PM
the fact is, it was never "OUR CASH" to begin with -- it was always Iran's money, we just seized after we reneged on our Arms deal with them long long ago -- when it was ok to sell weapons to them because Reagan said so.
Translation: Its Iran's money....give it back. even if it is extortion money.
Thats what you are saying right? Be Honest. Okay how about this:
So Pauley Walnuts walks into a bar and threatens the manager with a baseball bat unless he forks over 2 grand a week
Pauley shows up every MOnday and stuffs the envelope in his pocket and kicks up a certain percentage to Tony Soprano. One monday after Pauley gets an envelope half a dozen cops stick guns in his face and lock him up. They find the safe he was stashing all his ill gotten loot in and even his phony back accounts. They seize all the money as evidence and proceed to court. Pauley's scum bag lawyer say that the cops have to give the money back because it is "His" which he earned "legitimately" and then pays off the Judge to dismiss the "extortion charge" since the Presiding attorney is Eric Holder a corrupt POS himself nobody objects or raises a fuss. Obama gives Pauley a presidential pardon and in the middle of the night the cops load the "evidence" in an unmarked police van and drive it into the Bada Bing where Silvio puts it in his safe and claims it is tips stuffed in the strippers garter belts.
In other words if you want to extort money from people or countries locally or internationally all you have to do is claim it is "yours" and no matter what illegal, unethical or unholy channels you got it through it is "yours" no questions asked.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 16, 2018, 08:54:49 PM
the fact is, it was never "OUR CASH" to begin with -- it was always Iran's money, we just seized after we reneged on our Arms deal with them long long ago -- when it was ok to sell weapons to them because Reagan said so.
Translation: Its Iran's money....give it back. even if it is extortion money.
Thats what you are saying right? Be Honest. Okay how about this:
So Pauley Walnuts walks into a bar and threatens the manager with a baseball bat unless he forks over 2 grand a week
Pauley shows up every MOnday and stuffs the envelope in his pocket and kicks up a certain percentage to Tony Soprano. One monday after Pauley gets an envelope half a dozen cops stick guns in his face and lock him up. They find the safe he was stashing all his ill gotten loot in and even his phony back accounts. They seize all the money as evidence and proceed to court. Pauley's scum bag lawyer say that the cops have to give the money back because it is "His" which he earned "legitimately" and then pays off the Judge to dismiss the "extortion charge" since the Presiding attorney is Eric Holder a corrupt POS himself nobody objects or raises a fuss. Obama gives Pauley a presidential pardon and in the middle of the night the cops load the "evidence" in an unmarked police van and drive it into the Bada Bing where Silvio puts it in his safe and claims it is tips stuffed in the strippers garter belts.
In other words if you want to extort money from people or countries locally or internationally all you have to do is claim it is "yours" and no matter what illegal, unethical or unholy channels you got it through it is "yours" no questions asked.
Let me guess. This story is true, only the names and faces have been rearranged to protect the innocent? :biggrin:
When you mentioned Holder, I seemed to remember a story like this being raised and the LSM quashed it.
Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2018, 04:39:38 AM
Let me guess. This story is true, only the names and faces have been rearranged to protect the innocent? :biggrin:
When you mentioned Holder, I seemed to remember a story like this being raised and the LSM quashed it.
Holder (who actually handled some of my cases in the old days) let more bad guys walk than he indicted.
That little story is to illustrate to these leftists the absurdity of the claim "It their money". We don;t let gangster keep the money they extorted, stole or robbed from people and you dont let Iranians keep money they extorted from the US. Money obtained from criminal enterprise does not entitle one to keep it.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 17, 2018, 06:59:23 AM
Holder (who actually handled some of my cases in the old days) let more bad guys walk than he indicted.
That little story is to illustrate to these leftists the absurdity of the claim "It their money". We don;t let gangster keep the money they extorted, stole or robbed from people and you dont let Iranians keep money they extorted from the US. Money obtained from criminal enterprise does not entitle one to keep it.
I assumed that were the case, but I don't doubt it actually happened under Holder, where he let his leftist buddies off the hook and let them keep their ill-gotten gains..
Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2018, 08:07:37 AM
I assumed that were the case, but I don't doubt it actually happened under Holder, where he let his leftist buddies off the hook and let them keep their ill-gotten gains..
I concocted this little story using American Mafia as an anology to illustrate how the Iranian (and other third world govts) operate, anytime I hear some fool blurt out "ITS IRAN'S MONEY".
Iran took the US Embassy Hostage, Carter Froze Iranian assets in the US, The UN did so also but thats another story. Later, when the hostages were released some of the concessions was that Iran would receive "Military" parts and equipment that the Shah had paid for. Instead Reagan fooled them and sold the gear and put the money "into escrow: After all, you dont pay kidnappers and terrorists which is exactly what Iran was/is. Iran contra was pretty much along these lines, those Assholes were still involved in financing terror and a number of US Hostages kidnaped in the middle east were used as leverage, we sold them a bunch of obsolete missile systems and outdated weapons systems.
The point being Iran operated like a bunch of gangsters and these "deals" were coerced with American lives on the line. Freezing their assets was the least we could do to retaliate short of an all out war.
Obama freeing these frozen assets was akin to allowing kidnappers to keep their ransome money or returning assets seized as the result of criminal activety.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 17, 2018, 07:32:02 PM
I concocted this little story using American Mafia as an anology to illustrate how the Iranian (and other third world govts) operate, anytime I hear some fool blurt out "ITS IRAN'S MONEY".
Iran took the US Embassy Hostage, Carter Froze Iranian assets in the US, The UN did so also but thats another story. Later, when the hostages were released some of the concessions was that Iran would receive "Military" parts and equipment that the Shah had paid for. Instead Reagan fooled them and sold the gear and put the money "into escrow: After all, you dont pay kidnappers and terrorists which is exactly what Iran was/is. Iran contra was pretty much along these lines, those Assholes were still involved in financing terror and a number of US Hostages kidnaped in the middle east were used as leverage, we sold them a bunch of obsolete missile systems and outdated weapons systems.
The point being Iran operated like a bunch of gangsters and these "deals" were coerced with American lives on the line. Freezing their assets was the least we could do to retaliate short of an all out war.
Obama freeing these frozen assets was akin to allowing kidnappers to keep their ransome money or returning assets seized as the result of criminal activety.
And giving them cash to boot. How is it people can't see what The Marxist did in giving terrorists cash?
Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2018, 07:46:17 PM
And giving them cash to boot. How is it people can't see what The Marxist did in giving terrorists cash?
Again, that is how Criminals and gangsters operate, their business is a cash business, no money trail to follow. How much of that "Cash" made it to Iran? Did ANY of it make it to Iran?
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 17, 2018, 08:37:51 PM
Again, that is how Criminals and gangsters operate, their business is a cash business, no money trail to follow. How much of that "Cash" made it to Iran? Did ANY of it make it to Iran?
And more importantly, how many terrorist organizations benefitted from it?
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 17, 2018, 07:32:02 PM
Iran took the US Embassy Hostage, Carter Froze Iranian assets in the US, The UN did so also but thats another story.
This is why I don't have respect for fake conservatives -- you conveniently leave out the fact that we removed Iran's duly elected leader and installed our own -- and we are supposed to pretend that wouldn't cause resistance from some Iranians?
Can you imagine if Russia or China removed our president and installed one of their choosing -- are you telling me you would be just fine with it?
I have no problem with that money being returned as part of a denuke deal -- just like I will have no problem with lifting sanctions on NK if it is part of a denuke deal -- I don't care which president is making the deal
It's childish to only like deals/treaties based on who was the president at the time, especially when those deals outlive the president who made them
Quote from: Biff_Poindexter on July 18, 2018, 06:53:24 AM
This is why I don't have respect for fake conservatives -- you conveniently leave out the fact that we removed Iran's duly elected leader and installed our own -- and we are supposed to pretend that wouldn't cause resistance from some Iranians?
Can you imagine if Russia or China removed our president and installed one of their choosing -- are you telling me you would be just fine with it?
I have no problem with that money being returned as part of a denuke deal -- just like I will have no problem with lifting sanctions on NK if it is part of a denuke deal -- I don't care which president is making the deal
It's childish to only like deals/treaties based on who was the president at the time, especially when those deals outlive the president who made them
Yeah when was that....1953...? And the 'Leader' that was deposed was a KGB puppet, you know, the KGB, Alma Mater of your boy Putin whom you are ready to go to war over. Stalin grabbed almost a third of Iran and had plans to grab the rest of it, controlling the Gulf. How you think the Iranians that we no longer Iranians all of a sudden but subjects of Mother Russia felt about that? The SHah established freedom for millions of Iranians, educated them and tried to bring his underdevleped country into the 20th century despite the insane yapping from the Mullahs and the Ayatollah who wanted to keep it back in the 14th century so they could mutilate a womans Vagina and keep her as chattel.
You dont "denuke" a country by giving it untold billions in cash and no guarentee's for what you are getting in return....thats just plain stupid.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 18, 2018, 07:35:45 PM
Yeah when was that....1953...? And the 'Leader' that was deposed was a KGB puppet, you know, the KGB, Alma Mater of your boy Putin whom you are ready to go to war over. Stalin grabbed almost a third of Iran and had plans to grab the rest of it, controlling the Gulf. How you think the Iranians that we no longer Iranians all of a sudden but subjects of Mother Russia felt about that? The SHah established freedom for millions of Iranians, educated them and tried to bring his underdevleped country into the 20th century despite the insane yapping from the Mullahs and the Ayatollah who wanted to keep it back in the 14th century so they could mutilate a womans Vagina and keep her as chattel.
You dont "denuke" a country by giving it untold billions in cash and no guarentee's for what you are getting in return....thats just plain stupid.
The 1950's and 1850's called, and asked that stupid leftists stop stealing their material.
Crusades are kind of miffed too.
None of the bullshit that these fools whine about, affected anybody alive today. What a hoot. Well, no, I fully understand that it MAY take 1000 years for various victims get over the horrors; I've heard that one. Just keep sending money.
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Yikes! Scary image!
Quote from: Cadescove on July 19, 2018, 03:21:45 PM
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Yikes! Scary image!
Well, thanks for showing us just how low the left is willing to go.
Yes, this is a reflection on you.
Quote from: Solar on July 19, 2018, 03:32:19 PM
Well, thanks for showing us just how low the left is willing to go.
Yes, this is a reflection on you.
They don't even remember anymore that acting like ignorant childish jackasses, was ever considered wrong.
What a bizarre trajectory.
,,,,,1.8 billion dollars to Iran. IN CASH.
Quote from: LegalAmerican on July 19, 2018, 05:06:26 PM
,,,,,1.8 billion dollars to Iran. IN CASH.
Therein lies the problem. Obozo should never have given a terrorist country cash, even if it was their own, you can't track cash.
The fact that the Marxist did it, screams Terrorist Appeaser.
Quote from: Solar on July 19, 2018, 03:32:19 PM
Well, thanks for showing us just how low the left is willing to go.
Yes, this is a reflection on you.
This is all the left has. They certainly cannot discussed what Trump has done.