When will it be to late, Chinese and Russians?

Started by The Stranger, February 20, 2013, 04:52:52 AM

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I agree that Russia and China have had their disputes, being large neighbors.  Part of why Russia at first crumpled against the Germans was due to the stationary forces at their borders and passes.
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Solar, who do you think is more likely to squeeze off a nuke towards the US or one of our close allies, South Korea or Japan? The Russians or the North Koreans?

A nuke, any nuke, is not a pimple on a flea's ass.

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Quote from: Reality on February 20, 2013, 03:34:49 PM
Solar, who do you think is more likely to squeeze off a nuke towards the US or one of our close allies, South Korea or Japan? The Russians or the North Koreans?

A nuke, any nuke, is not a pimple on a flea's ass.
Seriously? None of them.
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Quote from: Reality on February 20, 2013, 05:02:49 PM
Agree!  Don't want to piss off the big dog.
As far as nuclear threats go, we need to be concerned about Iran giving away highly refined enriched uranium.
Dirty bomb or otherwise, it will have their finger prints all over it.

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I'm taking a hazy here.  What does that mean?

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Quote from: Reality on February 20, 2013, 05:29:09 PM
I'm taking a hazy here.  What does that mean?
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I thought you were being sarcastic when you said "Don't want to piss off the big dog." I thought you meant me....
Sometimes people hold back what they really want to say because they don't want to get on my bad side.
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It's hard being dyslexic, I've gone back and read my own posts and couldn't figure them out, so I encourage people to shake me up now and then and ask me, "What in the Hell are you prattling on about"? :biggrin:
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Quote from: Reality on February 20, 2013, 06:50:47 PM
My reference to "big dog" was the US.
Yeah, I quickly figured that out when you didn't understand mine.
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OK so if one of these small rogue countries, N. Korea, Iran and such even dropped a dirty bomb anyplace on US interest or one of our allies do you think Olamer would do anything other then say bad bad country then hit the campaign trail saying it was Bush's fault. Seriously what do you think he would do??????? He talked all big and tough in 08 about Iran and still not one thing has been done or even discussed seriously. Same with N Korea. I just think allowing these countries get away with this stuff makes us look really really bad and weak. What has been done about Benghazi? Not a thing.
Then like I said earlier we will be so poor financially in 4 more years even if a tough talking republican does win in 4 yrs. we will have NO MONEY do rebuild like Reagan did.
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Quote from: The Stranger on February 20, 2013, 07:05:05 PM
OK so if one of these small rogue countries, N. Korea, Iran and such even dropped a dirty bomb anyplace on US interest or one of our allies do you think Olamer would do anything other then say bad bad country then hit the campaign trail saying it was Bush's fault. Seriously what do you think he would do??????? He talked all big and tough in 08 about Iran and still not one thing has been done or even discussed seriously. Same with N Korea. I just think allowing these countries get away with this stuff makes us look really really bad and weak. What has been done about Benghazi? Not a thing.
Then like I said earlier we will be so poor financially in 4 more years even if a tough talking republican does win in 4 yrs. we will have NO MONEY do rebuild like Reagan did.
Look at the Bengazi incident and the blistering response he gave them. :rolleyes:

Oh wait, he didn't even acknowledge it till several days later, then passed the buck onto Hitlary, who passed it onto someone else and so on, and to this day, not a damn thing done in reprisal for the murders of Americans.
Would he do anything if a dirty bomb went off here? Make excuses and demand those responsible be brought to justice, as long as they are Muscum.

You may be onto something about us being broke, after all, that does seem to be his M/O for destroying Capitalism.
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Quote from: Solar on February 20, 2013, 07:18:20 PM
Look at the Bengazi incident and the blistering response he gave them. :rolleyes:

Oh wait, he didn't even acknowledge it till several days later, then passed the buck onto Hitlary, who passed it onto someone else and so on, and to this day, not a damn thing done in reprisal for the murders of Americans.
Would he do anything if a dirty bomb went off here? Make excuses and demand those responsible be brought to justice, as long as they are Muscum.

You may be onto something about us being broke, after all, that does seem to be his M/O for destroying Capitalism.
This is my point in 4 years we will be $20,000,000,000,000.00 in debt, say unemployment is still hovering at 8% and we are still just getting by. Where will money come from to do anything? Especially if the sequester stands and there are deep cuts in the military over the next several years. I think we are in a bad way right now since he is IGNORING everything.

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kramarat

Looks like I'm swimming upstream on this one, but here's my .02.

The US is no longer a superpower in any meaningful way. We have big weapons, but so do a lot of other countries. Economically, we are almost broken completely.

We continue to borrow, print, and spend money to maintain the illusion that we are a super power; and the rest of the world knows differently.

I don't think anyone is interested in attacking us militarily, but are very interested in finishing us off economically.....like we need help. :sad:

I think we will see an emerging, (shared), super power status coming from both China and Russia. When I say shared, I don't mean they will join forces, but Russia's status will be based on the export of natural resources, (energy specific); while China focuses on becoming the world's lead manufacturer, and staying there. I could see possible conflict between China and India, up the road.

I see the single greatest threat to the US, as a domestic one. That would be the occupiers that have infiltrated Washington DC.

The Stranger

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You just said it differently then me but that's the point. They will destroy us economically, with that follows militarily because we will be broke. We will be like a fish outta water in less then half dozen yrs. unless there is a MAJOR turnaround.
Now would this mean more terrorist attacks at home because of this? China will either raise our interest rates along with the rest of the world and we will be able to do nothing. Russian influence in the Middle East will flourish and again we will be able to do nothing.
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Quote from: The Stranger on February 21, 2013, 04:32:20 AM
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You just said it differently then me but that's the point. They will destroy us economically, with that follows militarily because we will be broke. We will be like a fish outta water in less then half dozen yrs. unless there is a MAJOR turnaround.
Now would this mean more terrorist attacks at home because of this? China will either raise our interest rates along with the rest of the world and we will be able to do nothing. Russian influence in the Middle East will flourish and again we will be able to do nothing.

Well, I could go way out on a limb here, and say that we are destroying ourselves economically, and that China or Russia will also have no need to attack us militarily. When Obama's house of cards falls down and austerity measures are implemented, I could see the possibility of civil war erupting; to prevent civil war, I could see the US government garnering what power it has left, and turning it on the American people......to keep order. From there we would just become another tin-pot dictatorship. We already have the guy that would like to be at the top of it.