Quote from: Billy's bayonet on December 18, 2014, 05:46:13 PM
Better yet google Jesse Ventura and all the whacked out nut job stuff that guy says and does....that's your celebrated convergence of Liberal/conservative idealogies whipped up in a blender and poured out as modern day LIBERAL tarianism

They're not my ideologies.  I didn't think of them.  Why don't you ask Ron Paul.  Maybe he has a pipeline to Jesse Ventura.  Did you support Ron or did you think him a whacked out nut job?

Quote from: AlfredDrake on December 18, 2014, 06:08:39 PM
They're not my ideologies.  I didn't think of them.  Why don't you ask Ron Paul.  Maybe he has a pipeline to Jesse Ventura.  Did you support Ron or did you think him a whacked out nut job?

I actually like Dr Paul, reminds me of a kindly country Doctor I once knew, I sense he is a real humanitarian, I agree with him 100% WHEN IT COMES TO FISCAL MATTERS Getting rid of the Fed, gold standard, balanced budget etc.....I cannot vote for anyone who I have my doubts re national security and our dealings with the shark tank that is the rest of the world....

I also cannot vote for anyone who wants to leagalize dangerous drugs.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on December 18, 2014, 06:23:03 PM
I actually like Dr Paul, reminds me of a kindly country Doctor I once knew, I sense he is a real humanitarian, I agree with him 100% WHEN IT COMES TO FISCAL MATTERS Getting rid of the Fed, gold standard, balanced budget etc.....I cannot vote for anyone who I have my doubts re national security and our dealings with the shark tank that is the rest of the world....

I also cannot vote for anyone who wants to leagalize dangerous drugs.

Fair enough.  I don't agree with everything Ron Paul or Ralph Nader say, even if they do agree on somethings.  But that doesn't mean that some of the positions they hold in common are invalid.

Quote from: AlfredDrake on December 18, 2014, 06:31:57 PM
Fair enough.  I don't agree with everything Ron Paul or Ralph Nader say, even if they do agree on somethings.  But that doesn't mean that some of the positions they hold in common are invalid.

But it does mean that all the "liberal" values or solutions the LIBertarians always demands conservatives to surrender too are completely invalid.

Answer me this, if these "liberal semi libertarians" or whatstheirname are so sincere about allying with the conservatives, why do they always want the social liberal laws passed first? Why do they want to legalize drugs and basically everything before cutting welfare or eliminating welfare?

Quote from: Mountainshield on December 19, 2014, 01:39:04 AM
But it does mean that all the "liberal" values or solutions the LIBertarians always demands conservatives to surrender too are completely invalid.

Answer me this, if these "liberal semi libertarians" or whatstheirname are so sincere about allying with the conservatives, why do they always want the social liberal laws passed first? Why do they want to legalize drugs and basically everything before cutting welfare or eliminating welfare?

Paul and Nader have agreed to disagree on many things.  They only want convergence on issues where there's common ground.

Quote from: AlfredDrake on December 19, 2014, 06:30:17 AM
Paul and Nader have agreed to disagree on many things.  They only want convergence on issues where there's common ground.

Tell me, how would you find common ground with the Marxist in the WH?
Just because these two can find common ground is of no importance to anyone except their supporters.
Both are using the other as a way of getting out their own propaganda, that's all this is.

Quote from: Solar on December 19, 2014, 06:50:18 AM
Tell me, how would you find common ground with the Marxist in the WH?
Just because these two can find common ground is of no importance to anyone except their supporters.
Both are using the other as a way of getting out their own propaganda, that's all this is.

One of the things they want to do is get rid of the Fed. Would you object to help from the left if it accomplished that goal?

Quote from: AlfredDrake on December 19, 2014, 08:46:39 AM
One of the things they want to do is get rid of the Fed. Would you object to help from the left if it accomplished that goal?

When your enemy wants what you want, don't stand in their way, but don't expect me to help them when their goal is not the same as mine.

Quote from: Solar on December 19, 2014, 10:24:43 AM
When your enemy wants what you want, don't stand in their way, but don't expect me to help them when their goal is not the same as mine.

Definitely not.  Agreed.

The only place I've even known the Extreme Right and the Left to share common ground is in their hatred of the Jews...



Darth

Quote from: Darth Fife on December 19, 2014, 10:48:55 AM
The only place I've even known the Extreme Right and the Left to share common ground is in their hatred of the Jews...



Darth

Really, more bigotry? I'm about as extreme Right as one can get, and I view Joos as human beings, and carry absolutely no prejudice.
Are you inferring that Nazi were extreme right?

Quote from: Solar on December 19, 2014, 10:52:43 AM
Really, more bigotry? I'm about as extreme Right as one can get, and I view Joos as human beings, and carry absolutely no prejudice.
Are you inferring that Nazi were extreme right?

Yes. I know it is inaccurate, but it is commonly accepted that the Neo-NAZI are the "Extreme Right". And my target audience for that remark - the Left (notice I didn't say "extreme" Left) think that way.

You, my friend, as are nearly all of the Tea Party Types, are more mainstream Conservative. Which makes sense as America is a Center Right Country and the Tea Party typifies the Center Right.

The Conservative Elites -  RINOs are definitely Center LEFT.

Now, my definitions might not be in sync with popular usage of those terms, but I feel mine are more accurate.

Darth

Quote from: Solar on December 19, 2014, 10:52:43 AM
Really, more bigotry? I'm about as extreme Right as one can get, and I view Joos as human beings, and carry absolutely no prejudice.
Are you inferring that Nazi were extreme right?

lol, the left probably hates them because they're likely the most successful capitalists over time......and the one-world-economy RINO's probably hate them for successfully using communism in kibbutzes.

Quote from: Darth Fife on December 19, 2014, 10:48:55 AM
The only place I've even known the Extreme Right and the Left to share common ground is in their hatred of the Jews...



Darth

That's a tough one, since a lot of far leftists are Jews.

Quote from: AlfredDrake on December 19, 2014, 11:01:02 AM
That's a tough one, since a lot of far leftists are Jews.

Self loathing Jews.

Plus, there are Jews and then there are Jews.

Few Leftist Jews are "observant", most are JINOs (Jews In Name Only).

Darth