Spending Bill-No Wall, No cuts to sanctuary cities, funding for Plan Parenthhood

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Solar

Quote from: Ms.Independence on May 03, 2017, 10:27:06 AM
September can come but this bill outlaws and prevents any future building of the wall.

" Even if Donald Trump somehow got the Mexicans to pay for it, this legislation would still prohibit him from building the wall.  Trump has incredibly agreed to give up the authorization already on the books to allow him to build a wall."

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/05/trump_very_happy_with_bill_outlawing_future_border_wall.html
I wouldn't put too much faith in that opinion piece, the author got his so called facts from a Washpo article that is equally vague in backing up their claims.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2017/05/01/daily-202-eight-ways-trump-got-rolled-in-his-first-budget-negotiation/590687f2e9b69b3a72331f09/
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supsalemgr

Quote from: Solar on May 03, 2017, 10:43:58 AM
I wouldn't put too much faith in that opinion piece, the author got his so called facts from a Washpo article that is equally vague in backing up their claims.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2017/05/01/daily-202-eight-ways-trump-got-rolled-in-his-first-budget-negotiation/590687f2e9b69b3a72331f09/

Agreed. In Washington "permanent" means until the next bill is passed.
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Ms.Independence

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walkstall

Quote from: Ms.Independence on May 03, 2017, 12:32:18 PM
As reported by CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/02/politics/mick-mulvaney-wall/

So much for the gloom and doom on the wall.  The door is open yet for  September as supsalemgr has said in more then one of his posts. 



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supsalemgr

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Ms.Independence

Quote from: supsalemgr on May 03, 2017, 12:54:39 PM
Do you actually believe how CNN reports?

You didn't like the first news source, so I founded another news source, but o.k.  I'll play along and pretend that miraculously everything that Trump wants is going to happen in September...perhaps you've got some inside information that Ryan is going to be replaced by then and RINO's are retiring and there are going to be several 'special elections' held and the RINO's are all going to be replaced by true conservatives.  All this will happen of course in the next 3 months just in time for the September budget. - OR - more realistically the DEMS have already realized they've won and aren't going to budge in September; in fact, they're going to make a 'deal' for getting more of what they want and Trump and Ryan will be more than happy to pander to them just as they already have.

I'm considering what several news sources have stated and I'm looking at things from a realistic point of view based on what has already happened in Trump's first 100 days, his reputation for back pedaling and his liberalism over the years.  I'd mention his connections to the Clintons and Soros, but that 's a whole other conversation.
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Ms.Independence

AP FACT CHECK: Is there new border wall money in the budget?

The Trump administration sought Tuesday to defend its budget compromise with Congress, saying it's a start to President Donald Trump's promise to build a "big, beautiful wall" at the Mexican border. But it claimed more than the deal really provides.....

.....THE FACTS: The deal to keep the government running through September doesn't have money to build any new fencing or walls along the roughly 2,000-mile (3,218-kilometer) border with Mexico. The deal does provide $772 million for border security, money that can be used for repairs to existing fencing or vehicle barriers that spread across just over 650 miles (1,046 kilometers) in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California.

Most of the existing fencing and barriers were built under the Bush administration as part of the 2006 Secure Fence Act, though some of the construction was completed by the Obama administration.

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MULVANEY: "There is money in this deal to build several hundreds of millions of dollars of this to replace this," he said, gesturing to photos that show new steel fencing replacing a chain-link fence a stretch of border in New Mexico just outside El Paso, Texas. "That's what we got in this deal and that's what the Democrats don't want you to know. This stuff is going up now."

THE FACTS: Steel fencing is going up in the Border Patrol's El Paso sector. But that project was approved and started by the Obama administration. In fact, it's replacing fencing that predates the 2006 law that mandated the construction of hundreds of miles of new fencing along the border...........

https://www.apnews.com/1f22900111de4a0087f34f866fec2935/AP-FACT-CHECK:-Is-there-new-border-wall-money-in-the-budget?
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taxed

Quote from: quiller on May 03, 2017, 05:04:51 AM
Back then the Donks weren't openly socialist. He stood out as being less a a flaming liar than the rest of them...back then. How many mansions does he own now?

Like I always say, nobody loves capitalism more than a Marxist....
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supsalemgr

Quote from: Ms.Independence on May 03, 2017, 02:57:13 PM
You didn't like the first news source, so I founded another news source, but o.k.  I'll play along and pretend that miraculously everything that Trump wants is going to happen in September...perhaps you've got some inside information that Ryan is going to be replaced by then and RINO's are retiring and there are going to be several 'special elections' held and the RINO's are all going to be replaced by true conservatives.  All this will happen of course in the next 3 months just in time for the September budget. - OR - more realistically the DEMS have already realized they've won and aren't going to budge in September; in fact, they're going to make a 'deal' for getting more of what they want and Trump and Ryan will be more than happy to pander to them just as they already have.

I'm considering what several news sources have stated and I'm looking at things from a realistic point of view based on what has already happened in Trump's first 100 days, his reputation for back pedaling and his liberalism over the years.  I'd mention his connections to the Clintons and Soros, but that 's a whole other conversation.

I do not know what is going to happen in September, but I do believe Ryan will still be in charge. I wish he would not be, but he will not be ousted. I just believe the real test for the GOP will be the budget for 2018 which should be done in September. This five month CR is not a big deal. A possible shutdown would be a huge distraction for the GOP. There is much to be done and dealing with a shutdown would be harmful.
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quiller

Quote from: supsalemgr on May 04, 2017, 04:41:57 AM
A possible shutdown would be a huge distraction for the GOP. There is much to be done and dealing with a shutdown would be harmful.

How?

quiller

Quote from: taxed on May 03, 2017, 11:35:23 PM
Like I always say, nobody loves capitalism more than a Marxist....

I suppose the inverse holds true as well: nobody hates Marxists more than those who'd lose the most should they win.

Now we have to figure out who is on which side, and how to stop them before they take it all.

supsalemgr

Quote from: quiller on May 04, 2017, 05:05:56 AM
How?

Everything would be about the shutdown and things that need to be done would take a backseat.
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Ms.Independence

Quote from: supsalemgr on May 04, 2017, 04:41:57 AM
I do not know what is going to happen in September, but I do believe Ryan will still be in charge. I wish he would not be, but he will not be ousted. I just believe the real test for the GOP will be the budget for 2018 which should be done in September. This five month CR is not a big deal. A possible shutdown would be a huge distraction for the GOP. There is much to be done and dealing with a shutdown would be harmful.

Yes, Ryan will still be in charge and he is part of the problem rather than the solution.  Ironing out problems now however, IMHO will be easier than trying to iron things out in the future for the simple reason, the DEMS/RINO's have already gotten their way. What is going to encourage them to budge in September or not demand more?? People always panic at the thought of a shutdown, but let the government shutdown. The reality is that the government would only shutdown partially and the affects in part would be dependent on how long the government shuts down.  People would still get their social security checks, their mail, food stamps, though people wouldn't be able to visit national parks or museums.  That's a brief summation, and I don't pretend my any means to take a shutdown lightly, but it's always been used as a bargaining chip and the blame game this time would be on the DEMS.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/04/24/what-happens-in-a-government-shutdown/100838716/
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