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I have one of those as one of my best friends. He's getting so inane that after 25 years, I've told my wife that one more remark and I'm actually at the point that I'd just walk away from the friendship.His wife calls him Jimmy Hoffa since he refuses to buy anything but a FORD even though she hates their vehicles. He praises Local 3 the Electrical Workers Union and then in the next breath complains that because of their policies he retired early which makes no sense.And no matter what facts you throw at him...he votes Democrat down the line. I really can't take people like him anymore.There is a great deal of truth concerning the dangers of the low info voter. They're the ones destroying the country more than the politicians. Why? Because they are the ones returning the same losers to power election after election. Case in point...Obama.
If he's a friend of yours, just talk about other stuff besides politics. I've got friends that refuse to see the truth, but it doesn't make them bad people. We just stay away from politics.
TL, as one that has seen the transformational growth of a young man from an early admirer and determinant to be an Austrian, I am going to say this. You are full of shit. Life does mot need your approval, it does require your participation.The pure anarchy you propose can only exist in a vacuum. Even the old loners that would go into the mountains to trap and hunt, ( anarchists in their own way ) still had to fight for survival and not just against the elements, but others who would readily take their lives daily. By not participating, their survival rate was low. You take pride in being an Anarchist, yet your survival depends not wholly upon your own prowess, but that of others as well. Von Mises certainly participated in the system, as did Rothbard, and the other myriad Austrian economists. You are a hypocrite. The very act of participating in a political forum belies your contention that you refuse to participate in the system. As for hoping to convert others, you are pissing into a roaring gale and will only get piss all over you.I despise the system as it has evolved, but I also recognize I am still a part of it, maybe in a minor way, but still a participant whether I like the results or not. Withdrawing from society, and sticking one's head into the sand is not conducive to converting anyone to an anarchist point of view.Make not mistake, Obama, as the titular head of government is every much the enemy, as the state. The government is the state. Freedom is restraint of government and government can never be restrained by secluding one's self in a dark place and crying , Nah! Nah! Nah!
That was my point as well. I have to say I like TL, but sadly his anger is his misunderstanding of the world around him, it's never been ideal to anyone, which is why libs pursue a fairytale Utopian world, yet unattainable on any level.We all hate politics, but politics by it's very nature is a pursuit of power, and it behooves all of us to fight to contain the monster that is Government. Checking out does nothing but empower the monster in it's pursual to wield dangerously over the people.
Maybe so, but not participating doesn't do any good.
That's BS anyway. You're participating, just by being on this forum. I doubt you'll win any converts to anarcism, but most of what you say seems to align with basic conservatism. Or maybe it's just me agreeing with a lot of libertarianism.
Wasn't when I was born, and just because it was in your time is no reason to quit fighting.
Do you merely roll over quite as easily after a break in and say"oh well, it was happening long before I was born, I refuse to recognize it by participating"?You are in this country as a citizen, you have a responsibility to effect change as a citizen enjoying certain freedoms granted you under it's protection.Merely checking out and not fighting is an extremely selfish move, much like a family farm struggling to feed itself, you refuse to work the farm because you hate the seed packaging company, so you refuse to work with the rest harvesting.Yet you expect to share in the food because you took the higher ground claiming warrior status as an anarchist?Think about that for a moment, here you are sharing in the Rights and Freedoms our Fore Fathers fought for, yet refuse to continue to fight because the enemy is winning?
I would argue it does.It is the only thing that does do any good- along with other forms of peaceful non-compliance.I am not participating in the political association.I never said I wouldn't participate in the exchange of ideas.
Well said!!!! Lots of common sense stuff on this site, but I can't find anything about the benefits of dropping out. They appear to be fully engaged.http://mises.org/
I think TL's assertion that he's disengaged, is greatly exaggerated. He might hate the game, but his posts indicate that he's into it up to his neck.....................just like the rest of us.
They are anarchists and classical liberals. Most are anarchists. I spent a week there in the summer of 2012. Probably one of the best weeks of my life!Read some daily articles by Hoppe, Block, Murphy, Rockwell, Rothbard and you will see what I mean about their anarchism.The Mises Institute is the premier institution for scholarly research in the tradition of Austrian economics and libertarian anarchism.They are a diverse group- not all are anarchists. But all of them believe in sound money, economic freedom, individual liberty and the rule of law.
You can still institute change at the lower levels, by backing those of like mind into entry level office.It's what the Tea party is all about, making change at the ground level.