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Re: What Single Issue Would Prevent You From Voting for the Next Prez?
« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2013, 05:20:55 PM »
As an anarchist I am philosophically against the idea of political leadership.

Leadership in terms of voluntary associations is a completely different beast and one I have no issue with.

So even if I find myself in agreement with the platform of one politco relative to others, the entire enterprise is one I reject so I remain neutral in the matter.

For example, I am a student of Austrian economics and human action, and in many ways I can trace this interest back to the first few times I became aware of the Ron Paul message, sometime around 2006.

And this study has taken me from the partisan mindset we all know so well, to the one rooted in absolute individual liberty and ordered anarchy, that I hold today.

So my views have become even more radical than that of Ron Paul, and I suspect even more so of his son.

Though, I share his perspective on economics, it is on the issue of limited government vs ordered anarchy, where we diverge.
Sorry TL, but you are taking the path of the pacifist, as in, I refuse to fight, regardless of what the enemy does to my family.

Husein is the enemy of the country, (our family), and holding a gun to our very way of life, yet you claim to take the higher ground because you are opposed to both sides?
Those are the words of a Coward, not a Patriot. We are at war for our very way of life in our fight against Marxism, and you want to sit it out over principal?

I don't care how you explain it away, that thinking is completely inexcusable!
Find another country if this onesucks that bad.
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Re: What Single Issue Would Prevent You From Voting for the Next Prez?
« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2013, 05:42:23 PM »
Sorry TL, but you are taking the path of the pacifist, as in, I refuse to fight, regardless of what the enemy does to my family.

Quite the opposite.

I am saying the entire thing is illegitimate and I will not legitimate it by taking part in the farce.

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Husein is the enemy of the country, (our family), and holding a gun to our very way of life, yet you claim to take the higher ground because you are opposed to both sides?


The enemy is not Obama.

The enemy is the state. Obama is just the latest dupe to hold one of it's offices.

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Those are the words of a Coward, not a Patriot. We are at war for our very way of life in our fight against Marxism, and you want to sit it out over principal?

I don't care how you explain it away, that thinking is completely inexcusable!
Find another country if this onesucks that bad.

I don't understand your reasoning.

By participating in politics you give legitimacy to the very process which puts people like Obama in power.

There is no real difference between these clowns. It is all a popularity contest.

No offense- but you are too "in the matrix" to see it for what it is.
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Re: What Single Issue Would Prevent You From Voting for the Next Prez?
« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2013, 05:53:43 PM »
Quite the opposite.

I am saying the entire thing is illegitimate and I will not legitimate it by taking part in the farce.

The enemy is not Obama.

The enemy is the state. Obama is just the latest dupe to hold one of it's offices.

I don't understand your reasoning.

By participating in politics you give legitimacy to the very process which puts people like Obama in power.

There is no real difference between these clowns. It is all a popularity contest.

No offense- but you are too "in the matrix" to see it for what it is.

Very noble, but what do you hope to accomplish by not participating?

I'm sure that you're aware that any freedom you have left will continue to be taken.

Both sides may suck, but neither one cares if you starve yourself to death in protest of the status quo.

Will you die, proud of the fact that you checked out?

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Re: What Single Issue Would Prevent You From Voting for the Next Prez?
« Reply #33 on: February 01, 2013, 06:03:00 PM »
The Matrix is what it is. A refusal to acknowledge it, doesn't make it cease to exist.

A refusal to fight against it, would suggest that a particular individual is far deeper entrenched than he can possibly imagine.

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Re: What Single Issue Would Prevent You From Voting for the Next Prez?
« Reply #34 on: February 01, 2013, 06:10:26 PM »
Very noble, but what do you hope to accomplish by not participating?

I'm sure that you're aware that any freedom you have left will continue to be taken.

Both sides may suck, but neither one cares if you starve yourself to death in protest of the status quo.

Will you die, proud of the fact that you checked out?

By not participating and encouraging others to do the same I hope to weaken the legitimacy of the political association and strengthen that of private associations.

Am I be proud that I saw politics for what it is- I guess. Probably so.
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Re: What Single Issue Would Prevent You From Voting for the Next Prez?
« Reply #35 on: February 01, 2013, 06:13:31 PM »
The Matrix is what it is. A refusal to acknowledge it, doesn't make it cease to exist.

A refusal to fight against it, would suggest that a particular individual is far deeper entrenched than he can possibly imagine.

No doubt.

Those are true words.

And one can not fight against it by participating in it and supporting it or believing in it.

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Re: What Single Issue Would Prevent You From Voting for the Next Prez?
« Reply #36 on: February 01, 2013, 06:25:05 PM »
No doubt.

Those are true words.

And one can not fight against it by participating in it and supporting it or believing in it.

Which is the role of the constitutional conservative.

A person does not have to like the game, to participate in it.

If the weak kneed GOP is capable of constantly caving in to socialists, they will surely cave in to conservative pressure. It requires turning up the heat, not running away from it.

The battle not fought, can never be won.

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Re: What Single Issue Would Prevent You From Voting for the Next Prez?
« Reply #37 on: February 01, 2013, 06:37:35 PM »
Quite the opposite.

I am saying the entire thing is illegitimate and I will not legitimate it by taking part in the farce.

The enemy is not Obama.

The enemy is the state. Obama is just the latest dupe to hold one of it's offices.

I don't understand your reasoning.

By participating in politics you give legitimacy to the very process which puts people like Obama in power.

There is no real difference between these clowns. It is all a popularity contest.

No offense- but you are too "in the matrix" to see it for what it is.
The same words is what I hear from pacifists not wanting to partake in a war involving their country, because they don't believe either side is right, despite the fact that they may lose their lives and country.

And yes, the left is the enemy, they want to take a Capitalist society and turn it into a state controlled Mkt. and that isn't enough to maybe wake you up and see your pacifism might be the wrong course?
What will you do when you no longer have the Right to vote, claim it's not your fault, you refused to fight vote?
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Re: What Single Issue Would Prevent You From Voting for the Next Prez?
« Reply #38 on: February 01, 2013, 09:03:37 PM »
Which is the role of the constitutional conservative.

A person does not have to like the game, to participate in it.

If the weak kneed GOP is capable of constantly caving in to socialists, they will surely cave in to conservative pressure. It requires turning up the heat, not running away from it.

The battle not fought, can never be won.

I don't even know what any of that means.

Really, I don't.
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Re: What Single Issue Would Prevent You From Voting for the Next Prez?
« Reply #39 on: February 01, 2013, 09:06:56 PM »
The same words is what I hear from pacifists not wanting to partake in a war involving their country, because they don't believe either side is right, despite the fact that they may lose their lives and country.

And yes, the left is the enemy, they want to take a Capitalist society and turn it into a state controlled Mkt. and that isn't enough to maybe wake you up and see your pacifism might be the wrong course?
What will you do when you no longer have the Right to vote, claim it's not your fault, you refused to fight vote?

What capitalist society?

Nothing has changed.

The financial system has been subverted before we even popped onto the scene.

And war is a racket that no one should support.

There is a philosophic divide here, I would argue, that is larger than the one separating the democrats from the republicans.
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Re: What Single Issue Would Prevent You From Voting for the Next Prez?
« Reply #40 on: February 02, 2013, 04:37:23 AM »
What capitalist society?

Nothing has changed.

The financial system has been subverted before we even popped onto the scene.

And war is a racket that no one should support.

There is a philosophic divide here, I would argue, that is larger than the one separating the democrats from the republicans.

Maybe so, but not participating doesn't do any good.

That's BS anyway. You're participating, just by being on this forum. I doubt you'll win any converts to anarcism, but most of what you say seems to align with basic conservatism. Or maybe it's just me agreeing with a lot of libertarianism.

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Re: What Single Issue Would Prevent You From Voting for the Next Prez?
« Reply #41 on: February 02, 2013, 04:49:39 AM »
What capitalist society?

Nothing has changed.

The financial system has been subverted before we even popped onto the scene.

And war is a racket that no one should support.

There is a philosophic divide here, I would argue, that is larger than the one separating the democrats from the republicans.
Wasn't when I was born, and just because it was in your time is no reason to quit fighting.
Do you merely roll over quite as easily after a break in and say"oh well, it was happening long before I was born, I refuse to recognize it by participating"?
You are in this country as a citizen, you have a responsibility to effect change as a citizen enjoying certain freedoms granted you under it's protection.

Merely checking out and not fighting is an extremely selfish move, much like a family farm struggling to feed itself, you refuse to work the farm because you hate the seed packaging company, so you refuse to work with the rest harvesting.
Yet you expect to share in the food because you took the higher ground claiming warrior status as an anarchist?

Think about that for a moment, here you are sharing in the Rights and Freedoms our Fore Fathers fought for, yet refuse to continue to fight because the enemy is winning?
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Re: What Single Issue Would Prevent You From Voting for the Next Prez?
« Reply #42 on: February 02, 2013, 05:17:57 AM »
Wasn't when I was born, and just because it was in your time is no reason to quit fighting.
Do you merely roll over quite as easily after a break in and say"oh well, it was happening long before I was born, I refuse to recognize it by participating"?
You are in this country as a citizen, you have a responsibility to effect change as a citizen enjoying certain freedoms granted you under it's protection.

Merely checking out and not fighting is an extremely selfish move, much like a family farm struggling to feed itself, you refuse to work the farm because you hate the seed packaging company, so you refuse to work with the rest harvesting.
Yet you expect to share in the food because you took the higher ground claiming warrior status as an anarchist?

Think about that for a moment, here you are sharing in the Rights and Freedoms our Fore Fathers fought for, yet refuse to continue to fight because the enemy is winning?

I've got a brother with the same attitude.
He's got a small organic farm in NM, and keeps bees.
Refuses to participate in any political process, and yet stays upset about the crap that Monsanto, (friends of Obama), are getting away with. It's one of the things that I agree with libs on. That company pulls some outrageous shit, and is actively working to shut down the small farmer.

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Re: What Single Issue Would Prevent You From Voting for the Next Prez?
« Reply #43 on: February 02, 2013, 06:20:56 AM »
The non voting it's not my government so I don't care folks are the one that cry the loudest and longest. I unfortunately have a nephew like this and I am not proud to say I can't stand him. He complains endlessly about the process but belittles those who vote or are involved. Here's an even better one he is a UNION employee who would jump off a bridge if they told him to. Put the UNION down in front of him and he will go crazy though. Go figure.
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Re: What Single Issue Would Prevent You From Voting for the Next Prez?
« Reply #44 on: February 02, 2013, 06:56:01 AM »
The non voting it's not my government so I don't care folks are the one that cry the loudest and longest. I unfortunately have a nephew like this and I am not proud to say I can't stand him. He complains endlessly about the process but belittles those who vote or are involved. Here's an even better one he is a UNION employee who would jump off a bridge if they told him to. Put the UNION down in front of him and he will go crazy though. Go figure.


I have one of those as one of my best friends.  He's getting so inane that after 25 years, I've told my wife that one more remark and I'm actually at the point that I'd just walk away from the friendship.


His wife calls him Jimmy Hoffa since he refuses to buy anything but a FORD even though she hates their vehicles.   He praises Local 3 the Electrical Workers Union and then in the next breath complains that because of their policies he retired early which makes no sense.

And no matter what facts you throw at him...he votes Democrat down the line.  I really can't take people like him anymore.


There is a great deal of truth concerning the dangers of the low info voter.  They're the ones destroying the country more than the politicians.  Why?  Because they are the ones returning the same losers to power election after election.  Case in point...Obama.

 

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