What Single Issue Would Prevent You From Voting for the Next Prez?

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kramarat

Quote from: TowardLiberty on February 01, 2013, 02:00:02 PM
The election itself!

Seeing as though I would never again vote in one.

Good thinking!!!!

Do me a favor and get the word out, that conservative republicans are behind the entire election process; maybe the libs will boycott the next one. :laugh:

TowardLiberty

Quote from: kramarat on February 01, 2013, 02:09:10 PM
Good thinking!!!!

Do me a favor and get the word out, that conservative republicans are behind the entire election process; maybe the libs will boycott the next one. :laugh:

I wouldnt know how to begin distinguishing them...

kramarat

Quote from: TowardLiberty on February 01, 2013, 02:11:58 PM
I wouldnt know how to begin distinguishing them...

Hang out at Code Pink meetings, coffee shops, and abortion clinics. :biggrin:

TowardLiberty

Quote from: kramarat on February 01, 2013, 02:18:33 PM
Hang out at Code Pink meetings, coffee shops, and abortion clinics. :biggrin:

I guess you're right.

I suppose on the hot button issues the divide is rather clear.

It is only on the business of governing, finance, war and individual liberty that we see such symmetry.

kramarat

Quote from: TowardLiberty on February 01, 2013, 02:21:21 PM
I guess you're right.

I suppose on the hot button issues the divide is rather clear.

It is only on the business of governing, finance, war and individual liberty that we see such symmetry.

Do you consider Rand Paul to be a no go?

TowardLiberty

Quote from: kramarat on February 01, 2013, 02:32:56 PM
Do you consider Rand Paul to be a no go?

As an anarchist I am philosophically against the idea of political leadership.

Leadership in terms of voluntary associations is a completely different beast and one I have no issue with.

So even if I find myself in agreement with the platform of one politco relative to others, the entire enterprise is one I reject so I remain neutral in the matter.

For example, I am a student of Austrian economics and human action, and in many ways I can trace this interest back to the first few times I became aware of the Ron Paul message, sometime around 2006.

And this study has taken me from the partisan mindset we all know so well, to the one rooted in absolute individual liberty and ordered anarchy, that I hold today.

So my views have become even more radical than that of Ron Paul, and I suspect even more so of his son.

Though, I share his perspective on economics, it is on the issue of limited government vs ordered anarchy, where we diverge.

kramarat

Quote from: TowardLiberty on February 01, 2013, 02:37:57 PM
As an anarchist I am philosophically against the idea of political leadership.

Leadership in terms of voluntary associations is a completely different beast and one I have no issue with.

So even if I find myself in agreement with the platform of one politco relative to others, the entire enterprise is one I reject so I remain neutral in the matter.

For example, I am student of Austrian economics and human action, and in many ways I can trace this interest back to the first few times I became aware of the Ron Paul message, sometime around 2006.

And this study has taken me from the partisan mindset we all know so well, to the one rooted in absolute individual liberty and ordered anarchy, that I hold today.

So my views have become even more radical than that of Ron Paul, and I suspect even more so of his son.

Though, I share his perspective on economics, it is on the issue of limited government vs ordered anarchy, where we diverge.

Well, I like ya Liberty; but that dream is just as utopian as the big government socialist dream.

There was a time that it may have worked, but there are simply too many stupid people at this point, to even consider the possibility.

TowardLiberty

Quote from: kramarat on February 01, 2013, 02:42:15 PM
Well, I like ya Liberty; but that dream is just as utopian as the big government socialist dream.

There was a time that it may have worked, but there are simply too many stupid people at this point, to even consider the possibility.

Well on this we must disagree.

I see nothing utopian about it.

Though, I do find the idea that in putting the protection of property and person into the hands of a compulsory monopolist, we should expect efficiency in this realm, or in any other that has been monopolized in such a fashion, to be somewhat utopian.

I would turn Hobbes' argument upside down and claim that the flawed nature of man necessitates decentralized and voluntary forms of decision making, otherwise the incentives are such that men will use others, not as ends, but merely as means.

And then life will be nasty, brutish and short.

(this makes for an interesting topic for a poli sci paper, if anyone needs one!)

JustKari

Quote from: kramarat on February 01, 2013, 02:42:15 PM
Well, I like ya Liberty; but that dream is just as utopian as the big government socialist dream.

There was a time that it may have worked, but there are simply too many stupid people at this point, to even consider the possibility.

I don't know that our idea of governance is any less of a pipe dream, for the same reason.  :sad:

TowardLiberty

Quote from: JustKari on February 01, 2013, 02:47:13 PM
I don't know that our idea of governance is any less of a pipe dream, for the same reason.  :sad:

Touche.

And the point is made again in the quote in your sig.

kramarat

Quote from: JustKari on February 01, 2013, 02:47:13 PM
I don't know that our idea of governance is any less of a pipe dream, for the same reason.  :sad:

Good point! :wink:

BILLY Defiant

National defense/security issues....like Giving aide and weapons like f-16 fighters and tanks to the enemy.

Evil operates best when it is disguised for what it truly is.

Charliemyboy

I just want to be sure he isn't a Muslim.  That's a deal breaker for me.

BILLY Defiant

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