So we are going to send ships to the region to protect Guam. We re going to help strengthen South Korea's military and Japan is on the defensive. Suddenly China is no longer the big dog in the area thanks to Kim jr.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 12, 2017, 07:35:47 PM
So we are going to send ships to the region to protect Guam. We re going to help strengthen South Korea's military and Japan is on the defensive. Suddenly China is no longer the big dog in the area thanks to Kim jr.

That about sums it up boo.
China let their dog run loose in a park, barking and nipping at everyones, ankles and being a basin nuisance disrupting the peace, kids can't get ice cream from the local vendor because it upsets local trade in the area, it even attempted to mark and guard property it has no right to.
All the while its handler, China, denied ownership.

Trump comes along, kicks the dog, and the bleeding hearts come to its defense despite its behavior, so trump gathers the angry community to come together to take back their park and the dog's owner starts peeing on all the corners of the park, even pooping at the entrance to the park in an attempt to lay claim as if that's how it's always been. (it's our park, it's even named after us)

Had the dogs' owner been more cooperative, and simply kept him in his yard, the community would have been more than happy to continue trade in a peaceful manner, but now the community has turned against the dog and its handler, exposing what an ass hole they both really are.
If he's not careful, he just might lose park privileges and neighbors willing to do business with him.

One of their biggest trading partners would actually thrive if they quit trading with them altogether.

Can you imagine the boom we'd experience if the world discovered American quality once again?

Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 12, 2017, 07:35:47 PM
So we are going to send ships to the region to protect Guam. We re going to help strengthen South Korea's military and Japan is on the defensive. Suddenly China is no longer the big dog in the area thanks to Kim jr.

Democrats are probably concerned...   Making waves and capsizing the whole friggin' island!!!  Post those "No Wake" buoys, quick!
That's a hell of a way to start a war, the headline, "Rogue Missile Makes Waves, Rocks Island".   We need to get Hank Johnson's take on this again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7XXVLKWd3Q&spfreload=10

Long read, but pretty much the essence of what I've said all along, that China backing NK is a losing proposition if they don't get the little fat fuck under control, which they can in a second.
China wants the world to think of NK as a sovereign state so it can play innocent, fact is, NK doesn't even sneeze without Beijing's permission.
Trump not only rallied ally support, but threatened nukes in Japan and China fears the same in SK, upped arm sales to Taiwan, all the while China pretends NK is its own state.

Trump is now in position at calling the shots and China knows they've been backed into a corner, and if they want to keep their yapping Chihuahua, they better muzzle its ass and stick it in a cage never to be heard from again.
China is out of options....

China's Xi Grapples With Rising Cost of Backing Kim Jong Un

While China officially wants a nuclear-free Korean Peninsula, Beijing has long tolerated North Korea's weapons program because it sees the collapse of Kim's regime as a greater strategic threat. That could lead to U.S. troops on its border aligned with a unified Korea, eliminating the buffer that North Korea now provides -- along with its regular threats against common enemies.

Yet China's rise on the world stage has given it a bigger stake in maintaining global stability, not least to keep up economic growth rates that underpin the Communist Party's grip on power. China is also concerned that new missile defense systems in South Korea and Japan could counter its own military capabilities, and that those countries may one day seek their own nuclear weapons to deter North Korea.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-13/china-s-xi-grapples-with-rising-cost-of-supporting-kim-jong-un

Quote from: Solar on August 14, 2017, 05:48:59 AM
Long read, but pretty much the essence of what I've said all along, that China backing NK is a losing proposition if they don't get the little fat fuck under control, which they can in a second.
China wants the world to think of NK as a sovereign state so it can play innocent, fact is, NK doesn't even sneeze without Beijing's permission.
Trump not only rallied ally support, but threatened nukes in Japan and China fears the same in SK, upped arm sales to Taiwan, all the while China pretends NK is its own state.

Trump is now in position at calling the shots and China knows they've been backed into a corner, and if they want to keep their yapping Chihuahua, they better muzzle its ass and stick it in a cage never to be heard from again.
China is out of options....

China's Xi Grapples With Rising Cost of Backing Kim Jong Un

While China officially wants a nuclear-free Korean Peninsula, Beijing has long tolerated North Korea's weapons program because it sees the collapse of Kim's regime as a greater strategic threat. That could lead to U.S. troops on its border aligned with a unified Korea, eliminating the buffer that North Korea now provides -- along with its regular threats against common enemies.

Yet China's rise on the world stage has given it a bigger stake in maintaining global stability, not least to keep up economic growth rates that underpin the Communist Party's grip on power. China is also concerned that new missile defense systems in South Korea and Japan could counter its own military capabilities, and that those countries may one day seek their own nuclear weapons to deter North Korea.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-13/china-s-xi-grapples-with-rising-cost-of-supporting-kim-jong-un

China announced some additional actions against NK. Could very well be a smoke screen, but we shall see. China has become capitalist enough now to make their economy primary over commie ideals.

Quote from: supsalemgr on August 14, 2017, 08:49:09 AM
China announced some additional actions against NK. Could very well be a smoke screen, but we shall see. China has become capitalist enough now to make their economy primary over commie ideals.

And that's the thing, after the Korean war, China went back to turtle mode essentially, closing off and hiding in its shell from the rest of the world, that was until Nixon opened the doors to China and trade a few decades later.
Nothing else changed, NK was still its guard dog on the peninsula doing its appointed duties, as China ventured out into waters known as free trade routes and attempted to flex it muscle by claiming sunken reefs as mere islands waiting to be developed, all their own, which would expand China's boundaries out to sea another 1000 miles.

They thought they could use NK to ratchet up ire via distraction, but the plan has actually backfired because not only did it expose China's control over NK, it drew attention from its neighbors and asking why China needs to assert power over an area no one ever claimed a right to.

During all of this, Trump is drawing in new allies in the war against NK, from Mongolia to Vietnam, Japan, Guam, and SK, while China is left holding a blivet not even Russia is interested in dealing with.

Trump has done what no other POTUS before him has done, and that's put China in check.

Quote from: Solar on August 14, 2017, 09:16:58 AM
And that's the thing, after the Korean war, China went back to turtle mode essentially, closing off and hiding in its shell from the rest of the world, that was until Nixon opened the doors to China and trade a few decades later.
Nothing else changed, NK was still its guard dog on the peninsula doing its appointed duties, as China ventured out into waters known as free trade routes and attempted to flex it muscle by claiming sunken reefs as mere islands waiting to be developed, all their own, which would expand China's boundaries out to sea another 1000 miles.

They thought they could use NK to ratchet up ire via distraction, but the plan has actually backfired because not only did it expose China's control over NK, it drew attention from its neighbors and asking why China needs to assert power over an area no one ever claimed a right to.

During all of this, Trump is drawing in new allies in the war against NK, from Mongolia to Vietnam, Japan, Guam, and SK, while China is left holding a blivet not even Russia is interested in dealing with.

Trump has done what no other POTUS before him has done, and that's put China in check.

Seems to be an essential element, if you want to go down as a great POTUS.
Reagan talked tough to Russia, the MSM condemned him and kept hollaring he's gonna start a war (which actually helped Reagan push starwars missile defense system - made it sound believable)
Trump talks tough to North Korea & China, the MSM condemn him and keep hollaring he's gonna start a war...

What did Obama, Bush & Clinton do?   Allow NK to arm up, give away missile launch technology to China, buy off a few years of North Korean silence while they armed up.  25yrs of negotiations & kicking the can down the road.

Why isn't anyone in the MSM saying, Trump is actually doing China a favor, giving them an excuse to clamp down on North Korea?

Quote from: Hoofer on August 14, 2017, 11:27:48 AM
Seems to be an essential element, if you want to go down as a great POTUS.
Reagan talked tough to Russia, the MSM condemned him and kept hollaring he's gonna start a war (which actually helped Reagan push starwars missile defense system - made it sound believable)
Trump talks tough to North Korea & China, the MSM condemn him and keep hollaring he's gonna start a war...

What did Obama, Bush & Clinton do?   Allow NK to arm up, give away missile launch technology to China, buy off a few years of North Korean silence while they armed up.  25yrs of negotiations & kicking the can down the road.

Why isn't anyone in the MSM saying, Trump, is actually doing China a favor, giving them an excuse to clamp down on North Korea?

Exactly! Reagan made serious inroads with Mongolia in opening our first Embassy, and hindsight being 20/ 20, it's apparent Regan was sending China a message back then.
China is solidly in the driver seat in controlling the little fat bastard, and Trump has exposed them as being the true disruptor in the South China Sea debacle via NK.
China holds the power to end this BS by reigning in NK through its continual propping up of the commie regime as noted in the graph below.
Like I said, Trump has China in check, and it's their move.

Quote from: Solar on August 14, 2017, 12:03:44 PM
Exactly! Reagan made serious inroads with Mongolia in opening our first Embassy, and hindsight being 20/ 20, it's apparent Regan was sending China a message back then.
China is solidly in the driver seat in controlling the little fat bastard, and Trump has exposed them as being the true disruptor in the South China Sea debacle via NK.
China holds the power to end this BS by reigning in NK through its continual propping up of the commie regime as noted in the graph below.
Like I said, Trump has China in check, and it's their move.

Forgot to mention, How did Ronald Reagan shut up a militaristic dictator, who was sponsoring terror across the ocean?
Kaddaffi had his residence bombed, dead kids...   He shut down his nuke program and shut the hell up.

Why isn't the MSM recalling what Reagan did - cause Trump is calling NK's bluff, just like Reagan did to Egypt.

Quote from: Hoofer on August 14, 2017, 12:46:56 PM
Forgot to mention, How did Ronald Reagan shut up a militaristic dictator, who was sponsoring terror across the ocean?
Kaddaffi had his residence bombed, dead kids...   He shut down his nuke program and shut the hell up.

Why isn't the MSM recalling what Reagan did - cause Trump is calling NK's bluff, just like Reagan did to Egypt.

Because it works and they are not about to give Trump any credit. He is quietly embarrassing Obama with his foreign policy moves.

Quote from: supsalemgr on August 14, 2017, 12:57:06 PM
Because it works and they are not about to give Trump any credit. He is quietly embarrassing Obama with his foreign policy moves.

Bingo!!!
That's it, in a nutshell, they hate the fact that he's showing up the Marxist, just like Reagan did to Carter.

I told ya Trump put China in Check.

China implements UN sanctions against North Korea, as Trump trade probe looms


In an unprecedented move against North Korea, China on Monday issued an order to carry out the United Nations sanctions imposed on the rogue regime earlier this month.

China made the announcement amid not only Pyongyang's escalating war of words with the United States regarding the North Korea nuclear missile program, but also as President Trump was reportedly set to order an investigation into China's trade practice -- a probe which could lead the U.S. to levy its own sanctions on Beijing.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/08/14/china-implements-un-sanctions-against-north-korea-as-trump-trade-probe-looms.html

They're getting nervous. They're not going to let a pudgy kid with weird hair stop their attempts to take over the Asian waters.

Quote from: Solar on August 13, 2017, 06:08:01 AM
That about sums it up boo.
China let their dog run loose in a park, barking and nipping at everyones, ankles and being a basin nuisance disrupting the peace, kids can't get ice cream from the local vendor because it upsets local trade in the area, it even attempted to mark and guard property it has no right to.
All the while its handler, China, denied ownership.

Trump comes along, kicks the dog, and the bleeding hearts come to its defense despite its behavior, so trump gathers the angry community to come together to take back their park and the dog's owner starts peeing on all the corners of the park, even pooping at the entrance to the park in an attempt to lay claim as if that's how it's always been. (it's our park, it's even named after us)

Had the dogs' owner been more cooperative, and simply kept him in his yard, the community would have been more than happy to continue trade in a peaceful manner, but now the community has turned against the dog and its handler, exposing what an ass hole they both really are.
If he's not careful, he just might lose park privileges and neighbors willing to do business with him.

One of their biggest trading partners would actually thrive if they quit trading with them altogether.

Can you imagine the boom we'd experience if the world discovered American quality once again?

And now the neighbors may get dogs of their own. Nuclear dogs. That's their biggest worry.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 14, 2017, 06:44:01 PM
And now the neighbors may get dogs of their own. Nuclear dogs. That's their biggest worry.

Yep, that and China just might see Apple find another country to make their phones, another hit they can't afford.
One thing that worries them the most, is a trade war, if Trump rallies the nation around the idea of building in America again, China will fall and it would take decades for them to recover.