Whats it take to be a republican?, what do you have to believe in to be a republican? . To be a republican do you have to follow and hail every one of their tenets, are you less of a republican if you dont. There is a far right element in the Republican party and I dont have any time for them and Id bet a donut that very few republicans do and damn near none of the independents do. So what does that mean, it simply means that the republican party had better not cater to their far right element or they will lose, just like the far left element did for  the democrats.
    Ultimately what the unions wanted didnt  do much for the democats conversely what the Rich want wont do much for the GOP the rich can fund elections just like the unions and rich liberals but they cant win any elections if they could the republicans would be ruling the planet.
     Just the rambling  thoughts of a not very educated nor exceptionally  bright reitred guy.

   
   

OK, come on back in from left field, and tell us what you think an right wing extremist is, because based on what the MSM says, I'm one of them, and damned proud of it.

Now don't be tough on yourself zip when there are people who are both willing to be tough on you and enjoy performing the service.

Ba-dum-bum.

The short answer: $25. At least I think that's what membership costs in the Michigan Republican party. Probably varies from state to state.

The longer answer is that the parties are representative of different tendencies in human nature. Within broad confines, the Democrats have always represented the less mature, more selfish, more shortsighted elements of humanity. That's why they tend to govern via crisis and why they reflexively find, worsen and use divisions among people.

Zip, you are a rare bird.

        A Mugwump. I never had thought I would see one in the wild, but there you are.

        Your "Mug" is on one side of the fence, your "Wumps" on the other.

        You stimulate some thought though.

       

Quote from: Eyesabide on December 15, 2010, 06:25:23 AM
Zip, you are a rare bird.

        A Mugwump. I never had thought I would see one in the wild, but there you are.

       

I could understand it in 1884, but to be a fence sitter in this day and age....

I agree! I like the way Zip presents both sides when posting. It makes me think and look up some things I might have taken for granted. Maybe "Mugwump" was a little harsh, no snarkyness was intended. Not often you get to use "Mugwump in a sentence though.

ZIP,

Do you mean "republican" or "Republican"!  There is a compelling difference!  A republican is a man, having nothing to do with a political party or faction, who has character.  A man with character is a man who has acquired, internalized and lives out the cardinal virtues, the capital virtues and the theological virtues.

A Republican is a man who is the heir of the Federalist and Whig traditions in American history.  He is the member of a political faction which at its core is made up ofcorporatists, bankers, stock jobbers and paper aristocracy.  As the core group of that party, they could never win elections; however, they always find allies.  Lincoln and the Republicans of the late 1850's found them in radical anti-Southern abolistionists, in anti-African Free Soilers, and in new immigrants, particularly the radical Marxist and nationalist Germans.  Those Republicans were able to in elections as a regional party.

The modern Republican Party is at its core still the corporatists, bankers, stock jobbers and paper aristocracy.  They would still be unable to win elections if they could not find allies.  Their most recent allies have been evangelical Christians and Southerners.  The Republican Party has actually delivered little to nothing to these "allies," who are absolutely fools for trusting the Republicans.  It would seem that the core of the party is now seeking new allies, perhaps among the legal and illegal immigrants and blacks.

The late George Wallace said of the two parties - the Republican and the Democratic - that there was not a dime's worth of differenct between them.  The late Sam Francis said of the two parties that one was the stupid party and one was the evil party and that they sometimes changed labels.

I have utterly nothing for either party.  I do, however, admire republican men who are, these days, as rare as hen's teeth!

Quote from: Eyesabide on December 15, 2010, 06:52:33 AM
I agree! I like the way Zip presents both sides when posting. It makes me think and look up some things I might have taken for granted. Maybe "Mugwump" was a little harsh, no snarkyness was intended. Not often you get to use "Mugwump in a sentence though.

I didn't see it as an insult, just more of an observation.
He really is a Mugwump, though, I can't understand it in todays political climate.

Quote from: Eyesabide on December 15, 2010, 06:52:33 AM
I agree! I like the way Zip presents both sides when posting. It makes me think and look up some things I might have taken for granted. Maybe "Mugwump" was a little harsh, no snarkyness was intended. Not often you get to use "Mugwump in a sentence though.

It is always nice when one looks at both sides.  But then you do not keep feeding and riding a dead horse that laws have replaced.  ;D

Quote from: Solar on December 15, 2010, 06:56:12 AM
I didn't see it as an insult, just more of an observation.
He really is a Mugwump, though, I can't understand it in todays political climate.

Today's political climate supposes that either the DIMS or PUBS are great and the other is crap. So, one that supposes both are crap may be a Mugwump. I guess I am too, then, because both parties suck.

Choosing between PUBS and DIMS is like choosing between warm crap and warmer crap. They both stink! Shooterman 1935-

Quote from: Shooterman on December 15, 2010, 07:12:16 AM
Today's political climate supposes that either the DIMS or PUBS are great and the other is crap. So, one that supposes both are crap may be a Mugwump. I guess I am too, then, because both parties suck.

Choosing between PUBS and DIMS is like choosing between warm crap and warmer crap. They both stink! Shooterman 1935-

Think Tea party Shooter, those are the real Republicans, not the RINO that have infested the party.
But based on the true meaning of the term mugwump, you might just be one.

You may call me a Paleo-Conservative, Libertarian, Paulette, or a republican but NEVER a Republican.

To many, I am an unrepentent Southern Nationalist.

Believer in the closer to home taxes are levied, collected and spent, the more control "We the People" are able to exert on our Elected Officials with the results being less incompetence, less corruption and less malfeasance.

Wow, this topic has turned into a stereotype/pigeonhole/MSM brainwashing/DNC playbook/MSNBC extravaganza!

I haven't seen this much partisan political excrement since the last time I accidentally stumbled into the Huffington Post or channel-surfed past Keith Olberman's show.

Republicans rich.  Republicans evil bankers.  Republicans are leeches who latch onto whatever group will support them.  What a bunch of BULLSHIT. 

Everybody SHOULD have their own set of core values, core beliefs, and core morals.  Those traits are the FOUNDATION of how you conduct your life, and the determining factor of who you decide to vote for when you step into the voting booth.

This Democrat/Republican/liberal/conservative/far left/far right labeling NONSENSE solves and proves NOTHING.  You are what you are, and no "label" is required.   

Quote from: Solar on December 15, 2010, 07:19:07 AM
Think Tea party Shooter, those are the real Republicans republicans, not the RINO that have infested the party.

Fixed it for you, Solar, based on Bergg's defining of a republican man/woman.

QuoteBut based on the true meaning of the term mugwump, you might just be one.

Most likely, I am in fine company.

There is nothing sacred about DIMS or PUBS. Both have done their fair share of damage to the Republic.

Quote from: Pepe on December 15, 2010, 07:31:14 AM
You may call me a Paleo-Conservative, Libertarian, Paulette, or a republican but NEVER a Republican.

To many, I am an unrepentent Southern Nationalist.

Believer in the closer to home taxes are levied, collected and spent, the more control "We the People" are able to exert on our Elected Officials with the results being less incompetence, less corruption and less malfeasance.

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