Quote from: Mountainshield on December 19, 2014, 01:13:37 AM
Why are you questioning these Americans for solutions to our problems my European brother? 

Just kidding, the Americans have always had the answer. Sweden has already shown the answer, like the Americans have already said the issue is to just abandon socialism or as in Sweden case just degrade it and you will already get economic growth. But if socialism only works because of capitalism then why bother with socialism at all and not start from scratch like solar stated.

There are way too many socialists in Europe, which is what ultimately happended in Sweden and shows us that there is no peaceful solution. Conservatives fix the economy and then the cockroaches votes in the welfare whores to once again loot and pillage through taxation to get da welfare. We can only start by scratch by going through another war, and it will come with the EU or without the EU. There can be no coexistence when the parasites becomes too consuming and starts to kill the host.

Well yes Europe is full of socialists on welfare. 

Quote from: european101 on December 19, 2014, 03:24:32 AM
Well yes Europe is full of socialists on welfare. 

Which is why nothing can be done to save Europe before we deal with the internal cancer, personally I'm just waiting for the right leader to come and just cutting the cancer out and bury it in a ditch somewhere. There are already protests in Germany, the media and the socialists are shivering from fear, calling us nazis and other deragatory terms more suited to themselves as they are inherently racist socialists and we just want to get lower taxes and end refugee immigration.

Socialists / Communists are just like global warmists.  No amount of proof or utter embarrassment will shut them TFU.

They'll come back every day for 100 years, saying the same things they know have been disproven, because that's the way they'll win.

They know that most of the adult, rational world will walk away eventually, out of disgust and because they've got actual things to do (jobs, families, businesses, school).   Whether it's 25, or 50, or 100 years, they will be the last ones at the table for sheer obtuseness......and they get their wins by doing this.

The Trayvon / Ferguson / Garner people don't care that they were spoofed and buffooned in every possible way.  They're gonna win something by just not stopping their commotion and threats.

I just wish that we had a consistent answer for this, besides giving in.

Quote from: Mountainshield on December 19, 2014, 03:33:34 AM
Which is why nothing can be done to save Europe before we deal with the internal cancer, personally I'm just waiting for the right leader to come and just cutting the cancer out and bury it in a ditch somewhere. There are already protests in Germany, the media and the socialists are shivering from fear, calling us nazis and other deragatory terms more suited to themselves as they are inherently racist socialists and we just want to get lower taxes and end refugee immigration.

Keep the faith. The Marxists tried to paint TEA as Nazi and look how well that worked out, the Dim/marxists are now out of power with the GOP Establishment following them off the cliff.
I here the ideology of TEA is spreading throughout Europe, and ideas as such freak out the Marxists and make them do and say stupid things while shooting themselves in the foot.

Quote from: european101 on December 19, 2014, 03:19:15 AM
Charliemboy I'm affraid your government supports memebership ot Turkey in the EU 

And I'm affraid they are your allies just like Saudi Arabia. You've always supported autocratic coutries as long as they were on your side. The problem with those muslim countries is that you never know when they'll become your enemy.

Yes, and yes.

There is an old story which was actually told me by a Turk.  An Alligator and scorpion were standing by a riverside deciding how to get to the other side. The Alligator, of course, just jumped in and started swimming.  The scorpion yelled, "Wait, wait."  Let me ride on your back across the river."  The Alligator said, "No.  If I do that you will sting me and I will die."  The scorpion swore not to do that and the Alligator allowed him to get on his back for the ride.  Halfway across, the scorpion stung the alligator.  The alligator was dying, but with his last breath said, "Why did you do that?  Now we will both drown."  The scorpion said, "Yes, but this is the middle east."

There is no Middle Eastern country which is truly our ally, except possibly Israel. However, Israel has the welfare of it's own country foremost, which is what a country should do.   The position of our government and the governments of most European countries, is that if we are nice to the Muslims, they won't hurt us.  It galls me that we call countries which have misogynist, murdering, cruel people as our allies, when in reality, their goal is to take over the world for the Grand Caliphate.  And, BTW, our President is one of  them.  Most of our leaders have financial interests in the Middle East and they sacrifice their own country for their own personal gain.  Obama was born a Muslim, raised a Muslim and is, IMO, a Muslim still.  One does not leave that cult and survive.  Our government for the most part does not reflect the wishes of the American people.The only solution is to expel these Islamic troublemakers  and send them back to the desert sands, but I fear it is too late and there are too many here and there, as a matter of fact.  The camel has not only its nose under the tent, but it's entire body.

Two words for your solution in the EU:

Nigel Farage

Quote from: european101 on December 19, 2014, 02:58:24 AM
Interesting point solar. I know you probably won't like what I'll wrote but for me are almost all politicians the same. They serve mostly themselves.

EXACTLY!

That is why it is best to keep government to the smallest size practical and limit its power as much as possible.

Us poor colonials came up with that idea a couple of hundered years ago!

Darth

Quote from: Ultima Thule on December 19, 2014, 08:39:06 AM
Two words for your solution in the EU:

Nigel Farage

I like Gert Wilders take.

Quote from: european101 on December 18, 2014, 10:12:18 AM
What if we stay together? You have to consider that Europe of independent states brought us two world war in 20th century. I agree with the other though.

I know most Europeans don't understand this, but that is actually what the U.S. is. For there to be a EU that actually works, they need to adopt the Representative Republic model the U.S. has used for 238 years now.

Quote from: daidalos on December 19, 2014, 10:48:22 AM
I know most Europeans don't understand this, but that is actually what the U.S. is. For there to be a EU that actually works, they need to adopt the Representative Republic model the U.S. has used for 238 years now.

On the surface your suggestion has merit. Unfortunately, in reality the countries would never go for some members having more influence than others due to nationalistic ideals. Would it be by population? GDP? What made the United States unique is we had people from diverse backgrounds, but they came here with common goals and assimilated into a new culture. Another factor is the founding fathers were brilliant in forming the union. I can't see the current European leadership being able to pull off something similar.

Quote from: european101 on December 19, 2014, 03:22:19 AM
Wait! I have Renault! I think we already have cars on natural gas. I agree with you.

Make a 4x4 pick up and I might buy one....

       For centuries, Europeans had local and national identities. Intercontinental rivalries had the net effect of a powerful continent. Wars, unfortunately, were part of that. Gruesome as many were, those conflicts kept men and women on their toes. People maintained a sense of country. People stayed  on the edge, not soft.
       Then, for many years, Americans carried the torch of independence, pride, self reliance, both as individuals and as effective business and government organizations.
       What ails Europe also applies to the USA. I'd say the USA definitely let Europe down when it
elected Obama. On the other hand, that served as a wake up call to Europe that the moral decay of the West had succeeded in taking root in America, too. I am expecting Europe to lead us out of
temptation.

Quote from: red_dirt on December 20, 2014, 05:01:33 AM
       For centuries, Europeans had local and national identities. Intercontinental rivalries had the net effect of a powerful continent. Wars, unfortunately, were part of that. Gruesome as many were, those conflicts kept men and women on their toes. People maintained a sense of country. People stayed  on the edge, not soft.
       Then, for many years, Americans carried the torch of independence, pride, self reliance, both as individuals and as effective business and government organizations.
       What ails Europe also applies to the USA. I'd say the USA definitely let Europe down when it
elected Obama. On the other hand, that served as a wake up call to Europe that the moral decay of the West had succeeded in taking root in America, too. I am expecting Europe to lead us out of
temptation.

Interesting post Rd. But what moral decay do you mean?

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on December 19, 2014, 05:28:20 PM
Make a 4x4 pick up and I might buy one....

Tipical for Americans. Strong engines and 4x4 pick ups

Quote from: european101 on December 20, 2014, 08:11:22 AM
Interesting post Rd. But what moral decay do you mean?

I''m going to guess you're in your early 20s?
The world we, as Americans see today, is 180 degrees of what it was just 40 short years ago.