Quote from: european101 on December 18, 2014, 11:53:31 AM
Becouse history of the 20th century has shown that Europe of independent states brought us two world wars. And we don't want that again.

Why?

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Remember you had civil war when you were divided. I know there are big diferencies among members of EU but we don't want to be divided any more. I personally belive in USE.

What do you mean divided?  Regarding our Civil War, not sure what you mean by "we were divided", beyond the North vs South.

Quote from: supsalemgr on December 18, 2014, 11:58:36 AM
Until the citizenry decide they want a change it will not change. My view is that many European countries have created such dependent classes they cannot reverse the trend. People do not want to give up what is being provided for them as inadequate as it might be.

Good post supsalemgr. I agree with you. Europe has high percent of old people and that people are not ready for change. They still live in the 70 or 80's

Quote from: taxed on December 18, 2014, 11:59:19 AM
Why?
What do you mean divided?  Regarding our Civil War, not sure what you mean by "we were divided", beyond the North vs South.

In the civil war it was North vs. South yes.

Quote from: european101 on December 18, 2014, 12:12:30 PM
In the civil war it was North vs. South yes.

I guess I have no idea why you think you need to be under the European Union.  Why can't you have your own economies and just trade with each other?

Quote from: taxed on December 18, 2014, 12:25:07 PM
I guess I have no idea why you think you need to be under the European Union.  Why can't you have your own economies and just trade with each other?

Communists must continually grow the scope of the collective.  In America, they must erase states' autonomy.  In europe, they must erase countries' autonomy.  From there it's entire continents that must be ruled as a single collective.  Then the globe.

Quote from: european101 on December 18, 2014, 12:10:34 PM
Good post supsalemgr. I agree with you. Europe has high percent of old people and that people are not ready for change. They still live in the 70 or 80's

Where are you from, my European newbie friend?

Quote from: wally on December 18, 2014, 12:37:16 PM
Where are you from, my European newbie friend?

Wally belive me you don't want to know

Quote from: european101 on December 18, 2014, 08:18:12 AM
What exactly do you mean?

As Darth pointed out, trash socialism.

The reason the Eurocentric state of States will fail, is because they failed in creating a Republic of sovereign States where the people retain power over the govt.
This is why America is in such dire straits, the Fed has usurped the power of the individuality of State, as in the Marxist using the Executive Order to rewrite laws making Congress worthless.

Of course none of this would have happened if we'd had actual Representation in the GOP. Our govt has failed us, but we, as voters, have spoken through vote, a fruity to bear come January.

One problem with meeting our european friend in the middle on this topic, is the near polar-opposite uses of the various terms, in our two different societies.

The euros tend to think that conservative means a more loving, mothering, smothering government.  And liberal means being liberated from such goodness (of course a bad thing).  Just the opposite of the American terms-definitions.

Not sure if they even have a libertarian concept over there, the virtual abandonment of govt.  I think they can only think in terms of communism (the loving govt) or socialism (frighteningly small govt for them).

Glomming together the EU has to be one of the most spectacularly stupid ideas in human history. Placing the economies of Germany, at one extreme, and the likes of Latvia, Estonia, Cyprus and even the Vatican at the other, on the same currency is simply insane. It is, was, and will always be nothing more than a Leftist wealth redistribution scheme on an international scale, precisely the same thing the UN would do tomorrow worldwide, if they thought we wouldn't burn down their damn building.

Out of curiosity, european101, why is it that we don't want to know where you're from?

Quote from: TboneAgain on December 18, 2014, 02:07:14 PM
Glomming together the EU has to be one of the most spectacularly stupid ideas in human history. Placing the economies of Germany, at one extreme, and the likes of Latvia, Estonia, Cyprus and even the Vatican at the other, on the same currency is simply insane. It is, was, and will always be nothing more than a Leftist wealth redistribution scheme on an international scale, precisely the same thing the UN would do tomorrow worldwide, if they thought we wouldn't burn down their damn building.

Out of curiosity, european101, why is it that we don't want to know where you're from?

He's from the small independent sexual commune of Dicktopia lol.

The idea of cramming the German, Italian, English, Irish, Greek, Scandinavian, Baltic, etc. cultures, languages, currencies, etc. together into one inedible pablum, is unbelievably stupid.  Only a moronic, filthy, stinking, mentally-socially-retarded gimp like Marx could possible envision it as fabulous.

Sadly, this used to be the feeling about the states in America.  Texas, Wyoming, Tennessee, the Carolinas, Mississippi, Louisiana..........should never be sanitized and lumped in with incompetent buffoonery like NY, CA, IL, NJ, Detroit, etc.

What a putrid idea, sad that it's gotten as far as it has.

He's from Italy; Il paese di romantico cibo...   

Quote from: AndyJackson on December 18, 2014, 02:40:49 PM
He's from the small independent sexual commune of Dicktopia lol.

The idea of cramming the German, Italian, English, Irish, Greek, Scandinavian, Baltic, etc. cultures, languages, currencies, etc. together into one inedible pablum, is unbelievably stupid.  Only a moronic, filthy, stinking, mentally-socially-retarded gimp like Marx could possible envision it as fabulous.

Sadly, this used to be the feeling about the states in America.  Texas, Wyoming, Tennessee, the Carolinas, Mississippi, Louisiana..........should never be sanitized and lumped in with incompetent buffoonery like NY, CA, IL, NJ, Detroit, etc.

What a putrid idea, sad that it's gotten as far as it has.

Are you suggesting that we hive off some chunks, such as CaliWashiGon? Maybe New YorkseyConn? VerMaineMass? Perhaps we could send all the illegals to Hawaii in the hope that the whole shebang capsizes, as Rep. Johnson suggested Guam might do.

Of course, that still leaves Minnesota. What a waste of a really pretty place! 

Quote from: TboneAgain on December 18, 2014, 02:07:14 PM
Glomming together the EU has to be one of the most spectacularly stupid ideas in human history. Placing the economies of Germany, at one extreme, and the likes of Latvia, Estonia, Cyprus and even the Vatican at the other, on the same currency is simply insane. It is, was, and will always be nothing more than a Leftist wealth redistribution scheme on an international scale, precisely the same thing the UN would do tomorrow worldwide, if they thought we wouldn't burn down their damn building.

Out of curiosity, european101, why is it that we don't want to know where you're from?

I think he said Italy.

Quote from: TboneAgain on December 18, 2014, 02:46:24 PM
Are you suggesting that we hive off some chunks, such as CaliWashiGon? Maybe New YorkseyConn? VerMaineMass? Perhaps we could send all the illegals to Hawaii in the hope that the whole shebang capsizes, as Rep. Johnson suggested Guam might do.

Of course, that still leaves Minnesota. What a waste of a really pretty place! 

lol, maybe....someday.  But more just the sheer stupidity of corrupting a solid republic of widely disparate cultures, into a homogenized socialist or communist state.  Exactly as they say about europe.  NY and CA and Texas and Tennessee are as unique and distinct as England & Italy & Germany & France.