What do you suggest what EU should do to improve our economic situation? We have 26 mio. of unemployed people an weak economic growth.

New president of European commison says we will start a 300 billion infrastructre program. But is this the right way? 

I'd rather see lower taxes for private companies and people. That would attract foreign investments and strengthen economic growth.

The only true answer is to scrap the current political system, and start from scratch.
I had a myriad of solutions, but every time I started to write, I thought it needed a qualifier of govt intrusion explained.
So I finally came to the conclusion you have only one option, start over.

Quote from: Solar on December 18, 2014, 08:11:35 AM
The only true answer is to scrap the current political system, and start from scratch.
I had a myriad of solutions, but every time I started to write, I thought it needed a qualifier of govt intrusion explained.
So I finally came to the conclusion you have only one option, start over.

What exactly do you mean?

Quote from: european101 on December 18, 2014, 07:50:38 AM
What do you suggest what EU should do to improve our economic situation? We have 26 mio. of unemployed people an weak economic growth.

New president of European commison says we will start a 300 billion infrastructre program. But is this the right way? 

I'd rather see lower taxes for private companies and people. That would attract foreign investments and strengthen economic growth.

Abandon Socialism!

Darth

Quote from: european101 on December 18, 2014, 07:50:38 AM
I'd rather see lower taxes for private companies and people. That would attract foreign investments and strengthen economic growth.

That's my suggestion.  Let people keep more of their own money.  Good things will begin to happen immediately.  Mainly it would begin increasing the amount of individual investors in the EU bond-markets and lessen the institutional-investments of pension-funds...  It starts a chain-of-events that gets the Countries in the proximity of being on the same page with each-other.

Through bonds, Governments are borrowing your money rather than taking it from you.  Infrastructure-projects go on like normal.  That's just a small start.  The end result is to make the EU a good place for me, in another Country, to invest my money there.   

Quote from: kit saginaw on December 18, 2014, 08:42:47 AM
That's my suggestion.  Let people keep more of their own money.  Good things will begin to happen immediately.  Mainly it would begin increasing the amount of individual investors in the EU bond-markets and lessen the institutional-investments of pension-funds...  It starts a chain-of-events that gets the Countries in the proximity of being on the same page with each-other.

Through bonds, Governments are borrowing your money rather than taking it from you.  Infrastructure-projects go on like normal.  That's just a small start.  The end result is to make the EU a good place for me, in another Country, to invest my money there.   

Unions oppose to that. What to do with them? How to limit its power when so many people are leftist?

Quote from: european101 on December 18, 2014, 07:50:38 AM
What do you suggest what EU should do to improve our economic situation? We have 26 mio. of unemployed people an weak economic growth.

New president of European commison says we will start a 300 billion infrastructre program. But is this the right way? 

I'd rather see lower taxes for private companies and people. That would attract foreign investments and strengthen economic growth.

Get away from the Euro and abandon the southern members to reap the bitter fruit of their own corruption and social welfare.  Bring back competition and free enerprise and free (not a common) market...and run, don't walk...away from multi-culturalism, stateism and secularism.
Good Luck!

Quote from: wally on December 18, 2014, 10:08:19 AM
Get away from the Euro and abandon the southern members to reap the bitter fruit of their own corruption and social welfare.  Bring back competition and free enerprise and free (not a common) market...and run, don't walk...away from multi-culturalism, stateism and secularism.
Good Luck!

What if we stay together? You have to consider that Europe of independent states brought us two world war in 20th century. I agree with the other though.

Quote from: european101 on December 18, 2014, 10:12:18 AM
What if we stay together? You have to consider that Europe of independent states brought us two world war in 20th centuram y. I agree with the other though.

yeah, that was the Dream  that produced your current Nightmare!   make all these nations who have always quarrelled and waged war on each other, so dependat upon one another that such quarrels and wars would cease forever.  How's that Kumbya State working for you?

BTW, multiculturalism is simply an expansion of this concept of becoming so interdependent that nobody in their right mind would ever not go along with the concept of one for all and all for one.  This doesn't account for the fanatic nature of (some) individuals!

Quote from: wally on December 18, 2014, 10:08:19 AM
Get away from the Euro and abandon the southern members to reap the bitter fruit of their own corruption and social welfare.  Bring back competition and free enerprise and free (not a common) market...and run, don't walk...away from multi-culturalism, stateism and secularism.
Good Luck!

I agree with Wally.  Dissolve the European Common Market.  Stop allowing immigration from Islamic countries until those you have are working and are no longer a drag on your welfare systems. Stop bowing to Islam and proudly uphold your own country's culture and traditions, free enterprise and individual freedoms.  Deport immigrants who will not work and who advocate the overthrow of your governments.  Stop electing left-wing governments. Northern Europe and Southern Europe have little in common.  Stop tying your country to losers.

Quote from: wally on December 18, 2014, 10:34:52 AM
yeah, that was the Dream  that produced your current Nightmare!   make all these nations who have always quarrelled and waged war on each other, so dependat upon one another that such quarrels and wars would cease forever.  How's that Kumbya State working for you?

BTW, multiculturalism is simply an expansion of this concept of becoming so interdependent that nobody in their right mind would ever not go along with the concept of one for all and all for one.  This doesn't account for the fanatic nature of (some) individuals!

I partly agree with you. There are big diferencies beetwen member states. However we know from the history that we need union on European level. We all know what is the alternative and I'm affraid we don't really have a choise. But we need to find a new economic model for our continent.

Quote from: european101 on December 18, 2014, 11:43:25 AM
I partly agree with you. There are big diferencies beetwen member states. However we know from the history that we need union on European level. We all know what is the alternative and I'm affraid we don't really have a choise. But we need to find a new economic model for our continent.

Why?

Quote from: Charliemyboy on December 18, 2014, 11:34:26 AM
I agree with Wally.  Dissolve the European Common Market.  Stop allowing immigration from Islamic countries until those you have are working and are no longer a drag on your welfare systems. Stop bowing to Islam and proudly uphold your own country's culture and traditions, free enterprise and individual freedoms.  Deport immigrants who will not work and who advocate the overthrow of your governments.  Stop electing left-wing governments. Northern Europe and Southern Europe have little in common.  Stop tying your country to losers.

I agree with you about the muslims. But I'm affraid it's too late for some countries. It's too late for France, Belgium and Holland. For these countries it's too late. These countries has a lots of things in common and one of these things is they are pussy members of NATO.

Ah yes stop electing left-wing gvts. But how? I belive in liberty and in democratic elections.

Quote from: taxed on December 18, 2014, 11:44:10 AM
Why?

Becouse history of the 20th century has shown that Europe of independent states brought us two world wars. And we don't want that again.

Remember you had civil war when you were divided. I know there are big diferencies among members of EU but we don't want to be divided any more. I personally belive in USE.

Quote from: european101 on December 18, 2014, 11:53:31 AM
Becouse history of the 20th century has shown that Europe of independent states brought us two world wars. And we don't want that again.

Remember you had civil war when you were divided. I know there are big diferencies among members of EU but we don't want to be divided any more. I personally believe in USE.

Until the citizenry decide they want a change it will not change. My view is that many European countries have created such dependent classes they cannot reverse the trend. People do not want to give up what is being provided for them as inadequate as it might be.