Christian Persecution in America - LIKE YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN BEFORE! Are You Ready?

Why is this being allowed to continue?

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Macgillicudy George

"When delusional fools think their belief in an imaginary friend gives them the right to discriminate,they have mental health issues.When human rights are endangered by "religious liberties" than it is human rights that will triumph.
Maybe we can hope that the religious bigots finally see the light of day and stop trying to persecute people just because of their imaginary god.
Check out the biblical foolishness in Leviticus 21:16-23.When your sick religion attacks even the handi-capped,how will you,mentally ill bigots cope?
Start your search for an insane asylum that will accept you now before your idiot god returns."

You can find this on the You Tube video page.

How are we dealing with this? Can anyone tell me?

Suggest you post this instead in the religion forum here.

Quote from: quiller on September 01, 2014, 06:23:15 AM
Suggest you post this instead in the religion forum here.

OK, quiller. This thread is up in the religion forum.

Deletion of this thread is requested.

Now then, since you have been so very helpful, do you care to take a gander at the quiestion?

Sigh. Why is it that every stupid asshole who wants to attack Christianity, always goes back to something in the OLD TESTAMENT. Listen you dumb shit, a Christian is a follower of Christ, as in the NEW TESTAMENT. Christians respect the Old Testament, but in all things our final word is in the New Testament. Simply enough to understand, but leftist atheists can do no better than to as us questions about texts that were written millenia before Christ was born. If you don't know enough to attack us on the grounds of something from the New Testament, then perhaps you should just STFU!

Quote from: mdgiles on September 01, 2014, 06:33:04 AM
Sigh. Why is it that every stupid asshole who wants to attack Christianity, always goes back to something in the OLD TESTAMENT. Listen you dumb shit, a Christian is a follower of Christ, as in the NEW TESTAMENT. Christians respect the Old Testament, but in all things our final word is in the New Testament. Simply enough to understand, but leftist atheists can do no better than to as us questions about texts that were written millenia before Christ was born. If you don't know enough to attack us on the grounds of something from the New Testament, then perhaps you should just STFU!

Well said Giles. 

The same stuff is dredged up generation after generation after generation after generation after ...

And the same stuff is answered generation after generation after generation after generation after ...

The problem is not that the objection is valid or that the answers are deficient, but in the objector's will to no believe.

So, here goes ... first the phrase, "attacks even the handi-capped (sic)" indicates that the writer didn't bother to understand the passage or its context. The restrictions are on who can serve as a priest, not who can worship God, in the tabernacle. The tabernacle priesthood was restricted to one family, from one tribe, from the one nation of Israel. None of these restrictions impaired a person's potential relationship to God or God's acceptance of handicapped people in such a relationship. Those who served as priests, their ordination, their official clothing, their daily duties are full of symbols beyond such objectors' understanding and willingness to learn.

Second, these restrictions applied, as mentioned above, to ancient Israel's tabernacle (and temple) priesthood. They became inapplicable in the Jewish religion with the destruction of the temple in the First Century. Possibly more to this objector's point - given relative populations - these restrictions have never been regarded by Christians as applicable. Jesus was/is the reality the tabernacle/temple symbols foreshadowed. Historically, Christians have cared for and fully accepted the disabled as valuable human beings, for whom Christ died.

This can be seen today in the many Christian ministries serving the disabled, in churches welcoming the disabled (one of the first buildings - if not the first - in my home town with by-design wheelchair access was my parents and my church), and in the many churches who have sign language interpreters in services. Using my church as an example, there are areas, at the front of the auditorium, designated for people in wheel chairs. There is a family whose son has cerebral palsy that has been regular attenders of the service Mrs. SVPete and I attend for longer than the ~6 years we've been attending. And they do sit at the front. Our church is also one that has a sign language interpreter(s). Our current and previous church (we were there ~20 years) trains its children's ministry workers - volunteers and staff - to work with children and youth with disabilities such as autism and Down Syndrome.

As I said above, objectors such as the one quoted in the OP display their ignorance of what Christians (and Jews) believe and do, and their unwillingness to learn and understand. Willful ignorance can be answered and refuted, but it just moves on, looking for hearers more susceptible to its ignorance and deception.

Quote from: mdgiles on September 01, 2014, 06:33:04 AM
Sigh. Why is it that every stupid asshole who wants to attack Christianity, always goes back to something in the OLD TESTAMENT. Listen you dumb shit, a Christian is a follower of Christ, as in the NEW TESTAMENT. Christians respect the Old Testament, but in all things our final word is in the New Testament. Simply enough to understand, but leftist atheists can do no better than to as us questions about texts that were written millenia before Christ was born. If you don't know enough to attack us on the grounds of something from the New Testament, then perhaps you should just STFU!

And it's always Leviticus. I actually don't mind that because it shows how ignorant they are about the subject matter. Aldo, if they were to insult Jewish people based on the Old Testament, they would be labelled as anti-semites. The fact that Christian persecution is so much more tolerable further shows prophecy being fulfilled.

Quote from: Ex-Conservative on September 01, 2014, 06:20:32 AM
Check out this comment:

Macgillicudy George

"When delusional fools think their belief in an imaginary friend gives them the right to discriminate,they have mental health issues.When human rights are endangered by "religious liberties" than it is human rights that will triumph.
Maybe we can hope that the religious bigots finally see the light of day and stop trying to persecute people just because of their imaginary god.
Check out the biblical foolishness in Leviticus 21:16-23.When your sick religion attacks even the handi-capped,how will you,mentally ill bigots cope?
Start your search for an insane asylum that will accept you now before your idiot god returns."

You can find this on the You Tube video page.

How are we dealing with this? Can anyone tell me?

How are we dealing with this? We pray for that person. We pray for all non-believers. We share our testimony and evangelize. What are conservatives supposed to do? As Christians, persecution is expected. Not just because of prophecy but because if people do what they did to Him and assault and kill Him the way they did, just think of how much worse it will be for us as His followers. Christian life is not an easy life. It is filled with suffering, difficulty, and pain with the reward being in Heaven.

Quote from: Dr. Meh on September 01, 2014, 09:34:09 AM
And it's always Leviticus. I actually don't mind that because it shows how ignorant they are about the subject matter. Aldo, if they were to insult Jewish people based on the Old Testament, they would be labelled as anti-semites. The fact that Christian persecution is so much more tolerable further shows prophecy being fulfilled.

It's even more selective than that, Dr. M. You probably won't find that sort of skeptic quoting from the very same book of Leviticus, chapter 23, verse 22:

QuoteWhen you gather in the harvest of your land, you must not completely harvest the corner of your field, and you must not gather up the gleanings of your harvest. You must leave them for the poor and the foreigner. I am the Lord your God.

Nor, probably, even aware of it.

Quote from: Dr. Meh on September 01, 2014, 09:39:21 AM
How are we dealing with this? We pray for that person. We pray for all non-believers. We share our testimony and evangelize. What are conservatives supposed to do? As Christians, persecution is expected. Not just because of prophecy but because if people do what they did to Him and assault and kill Him the way they did, just think of how much worse it will be for us as His followers. Christian life is not an easy life. It is filled with suffering, difficulty, and pain with the reward being in Heaven.

Good answer, Doctor, except for the fact that Conservatism is not Christianity.

Conservativism is not a religion, but a secular ideology. As such it has the duty to recognize the danger to our constitutional rights eminating from Liberals, radical atheists, the Gay Lobby and elsewhere, and the duty to secure these rights. Both Liberalism and atheism are not so far north of the Marxist-Leninists of the Lenin/Stalin Eras. "American" (this term applied to them is absolutely sick!) Atheists, as witness their call for the eradication of Fundamentalist Christians, may be fairly compared to the "League of Militant Atheists" that flourished in the Soviet Union from 1925 to 1947 and was the spiritual instution of the Soviet Union under Josef Stalin. Déjà vu.

All of which brings me back to my original question: What is Conservatism doing about what is depicted in the video, and about the "American" Atheists?

Quote from: Ex-Conservative on September 01, 2014, 11:14:58 AM
Good answer, Doctor, except for the fact that Conservatism is not Christianity.

Conservativism is not a religion, but a secular ideology. As such it has the duty to recognize the danger to our constitutional rights eminating from Liberals, radical atheists, the Gay Lobby and elsewhere, and the duty to secure these rights. Both Liberalism and atheism are not so far north of the Marxist-Leninists of the Lenin/Stalin Eras. "American" (this term applied to them is absolutely sick!) Atheists, as witness their call for the eradication of Fundamentalist Christians, may be fairly compared to the "League of Militant Atheists" that flourished in the Soviet Union from 1925 to 1947 and was the spiritual instution of the Soviet Union under Josef Stalin. Déjà vu.

All of which brings me back to my original question: What is Conservatism doing about what is depicted in the video, and about the "American" Atheists?

I'm confused. Why should we do anything about atheists, when there are Conservative atheists?
Granted, I couldn't watch the video, so my question may be irrelevant.

Why couldn't you watch the video? Do you maintain that Conservatism can do nothing, or is unwilling to do anything, to protect Christians from persecution on account of their stand regarding gay rights, gay marriage and abortion?

Well, I have had this thread up long enough to have gotten a straight answer from someone around here. Solar came the closest and his answer distills down to "nothing".

That's about all I can do for the Conservative movement, then. Nothing.

Conservatism and Liberalism are not the same, but the differences between them are not significant enough for me to care. Liberalism acts for evil. Conservatism sits by and lets it happen.

See you. Good luck in November. You'll need it.

Quote from: Ex-Conservative on September 01, 2014, 11:37:17 AM
Why couldn't you watch the video? Do you maintain that Conservatism can do nothing, or is unwilling to do anything, to protect Christians from persecution on account of their stand regarding gay rights, gay marriage and abortion?

Because not all of us live in the cesspool cities that have cable, some of us live in real America away from the festering boils called urban life.
Yeah, they limit us on bandwidth usage, and your tiny video would eat up 20% of my overall allotment for the month.
Now, care to answer my question?