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Quote from: Pariah on November 02, 2012, 10:20:21 PM
Greetings, everyone!
Call me Pariah, because at least where I live in my own little corner of Georgia, that's what I am. I come to this forum... seeking help I guess.

You see, the term Pariah fits me because that's what I am. I'm an Asian-American living in this county, and the only one to boot. I deal with a lot of racism, but that's neither here nor there, and that's not what I need help with.

I'm 24 years old, with a wife and 2 kids. I have a pretty good job, though it could always be better...

I also voted for Obama in 2008.
I'm not making that mistake again.

You see, back then I was still naive to exactly how the world works. I suffered through the Bush era along with a lot of people - that's a lie, really. Bush honestly did the best he could with what he had in hindsight, but at the time I was angry and bitter. To this day I believe that Afghanistan was the right decision but still firmly believe that Iraq was just him finishing Daddy's war. However, the Patriot Act and No Child Left Behind Act both enrage me to no end, and I still don't see how these even exist.

Back in 2008, I voted for Obama because he seemed so flippin' awesome it was awe inspiring. I believed that everything he said was amazing, and held on to every word and speech as if it were solid gold. I hated McCain, and even today I still think he'd have been an awful president (on par with what we got), but I think I could have swallowed it and voted for him if Sarah freaking Palin wasn't on the ticket.

Also I voted for him because he was black and I love spiting the racists around here. I lost 4 tires and got assaulted by 5 huge white dudes for that.

But that's also not my problem (I talk too much). You live, you learn that most politicians are liars, and you go at it again.

It's November 2nd, and I still haven't decided who to vote for. You see, here's my problem (finally):

Problem 1: Economically I'm very conservative and believe that a businessman like Romney is perfect for the job; he knows how business works. That said, I'm rather worried that the tax cuts Romney wants to give to the rich will backfire spectacularly. Instead of using that money to create jobs, they'll instead sit on it and still not create jobs, and we'll still be stuck in the same hole we're in now. So do I vote for him and hope for the best, that people will do the right thing? Or should I keep my cynicism alive and think that rich people are corrupt?

Problem 2: Socially, I'm very liberal. I believe in gay marriage, for example (though I also believe that churches shouldn't be forced to do it if they don't want to); I believe in abortion ONLY IN THE CASE OF RAPE (if you get knocked up, deal with it. It's your fault), but only because our adoption system is so complete and utter trash that it needs to be reworked. That's just two issues that I know I don't agree with Romney (and a lot of people here) on, but it's part of my core values (or maybe lack thereof; the dark corners of the Internet do very nasty things to you).

Problem 3: This is a big one, especially around where I live, and possibly unrelated to the election - I don't hate Islam. As a Christian, it's impossible for me to hate them (being picked on so much around here, I find solace in my family and in God). I'm able to distinguish between Radicals and Moderate Muslims, and many that I've talked to are pretty cool people. There are actually a lot of good values in the Koran, and though I think that Muslims are misguided, I still consider them good people. Except the terrorists.

So to summarize:
Do I go with the person that I know has a better chance of fixing the country, or the one who values civil liberties? Should I let my feelings on Islam affect my vote?

I confused. Please help.

P.S. I came here because conservatives are much less crazy than liberals. More honest answers.

Here was my response:

Quote from: Solar on November 03, 2012, 08:12:21 AM
Welcome to the forum Pariah.
Maybe I can help mend you perspective a bit.
Look at it this way, first off, it's their money, not the Govts. to steal and redistribute to buy votes.
Secondly, were in debt, all because both party's over spend, we need to cut their power to tax, because you're next.
And third, and most important, Govt Does Not create jobs, it gets in the way of job creation.
A Govt job is not a job, it a draw on the economy, it causes higher taxes, all the jobs Hussein was supposed to have created through Green energy programs, are a net drain on the economy, because they require the support of tax dollars to exist.
Again, simple, it's a States Rights issue, not a Federal one!
Feelings are a liberals way of looking at issues, and I don't see how it should effect your vote.
Again, put your feelings aside and vote for the person that has the best of intentions for the country.
Mitt has a proven track record in business, Hussein had four years and it's worse now than when he entered office, and his plan is four more years of the same.
Shouldn't be so hard...


Libs are just more emotional and tend not to think things through, but rather react emotionally, while Conservatives like to weigh individual issues and determine if they are what our Founders intended.

You'll find that most Dim issues pushed forward are designed to gain them power and more votes, while Conservatives look at these issues as to what is better for the country as a whole, not some special interest group.

And his latest response:

Quote from: Pariah on November 03, 2012, 10:18:32 AM
It IS their money, and I sincerely believe that people shouldn't take risks that they're not prepared for or want to do with it. Not every rich person was a businessman, and especially in the South there's a lot of "old money" that really want nothing to do with the business world, preferring instead to sit on their money till the end of time.

But I just can't abide by those people who want tax cuts for their income bracket, yet do nothing with the extra income. I'm a big believer in the advancement of America and humanity as a whole, and sitting on your massive amounts of cash does nothing for anyone. I'm not saying that the gov't should TAKE the money from them, or that the current tax level is correct (personally I feel that the income tax system as a whole needs a massive overhaul because it's too easy for anyone in any tax bracket to weasel out of actually paying taxes), but I feel like it's an imperative that we advance humanity to far greater things than what we are.

For example, private research always goes farther than government funded research. Look at how far computers advanced because of Bill Gates and Steve Jobs. Or how Virgin Galactic successfully got into space before the gov't started paying them to help them do it. With privately funded research, we could probably have colonies on the bleedin' moon by now! We have some of the richest people on Earth that could help to eliminate American poverty, advance education to Japan-like levels, and maybe have even found by now vaccines or maybe even cures to major diseases.

But they don't because they're greedy f*ckwits who sit on their money and laugh at everyone's misery!

...that's not a Romney issue, that's an issue I have with the "elite" that support him. I truly believe that Romney wants the best for this country, but I'm not sure the people he supposedly represents have the same agenda as him. He wants tax cuts so people will create jobs, but I think people are either to afraid of failure or too greedy to try and create those jobs.

Personally I feel like it's both: I feel that both State and Federal governments should work together (heresy, I say!) and come to an agreeable solution that works best for everybody, rather than the State trying to kick out Federal and Federal trying to overpower state.

I wish it were that easy. Obama did some pretty crappy things, to be sure, but I feel that a lot of that is not just him, but the fact that the House and Senate let those things happen. To me it's telling when Congress caves and lets the president do what he wants. I don't think it's right now, and if Romney gets it, I don't think it'll be right for him to do the same.

I am emotional, that's for sure. But my emotions are bitter and cynical - I see everything through jade-colored glasses and honestly, I expect the worst more than I hope for the best. It's hard to disassociate my feelings with my analytical thought, so everything I say comes across as being biased; to Reps, I sound liberal and to Dems, I sound conservative.

Really I'm just angry.

QuoteI also voted for Obama in 2008.
I'm not making that mistake again.

That's person #1,000 that I've heard say that.  I haven't heard one person say, "I voted for McCain last time. THIS TIME I'll be voting for Obama"

Baby steps. That's all I can hope for.