WTF is that?
It appears to be the new buzz word on the left, pushing the camels nose under the tent, lipstick on the pig, Kings new clothing.
It isn't enough the left wants to punish the Capitalists in the country, they now want to outright steal their wealth.
This new approach is to take those that have a certain amount of holdings, and tax them on that wealth, regardless of whether they are investing it, or holding it in an IRA, they think they can simply steal a portion every year.
But what is the magic number that makes you rich? Apparently $250 K per year income of two.
To think, the libs voted for this party...
This is not an actual tax, it is outright theft.
Oh and sorry, no links, it's just now beginning, they are floating talking points to see if it will stick.
This my friends is pure Marxism and will be the final nail in our coffin.
I am sure the libs will say that they are "encouraging" the wealthy to invest in jobs instead of holding on to any wealth. Those greedy rich people...
Seriously, I am so tired of hearing how selfish people are for not wanting what they have, forcibly taken from them.
Quote from: JustKari on November 28, 2012, 08:13:25 AM
I am sure the libs will say that they are "encouraging" the wealthy to invest in jobs instead of holding on to any wealth. Those greedy rich people...
Seriously, I am so tired of hearing how selfish people are for not wanting what they have, forcibly taken from them.
Marx is laughing in his grave.
It's just more class envy being generated by those seeking to destroy the producers in our country.
What libs fail to understand, is that if I keep my money in a profit bearing account, this gives lending institutions a chance to lend money to those that will actually make it generate employment, take that away, and all you have left is Govt lending, picking losers like the so called Green energy BS.
No private investor with any commonsense would ever invest in such a ludicrous scheme, that is, unless the Govt holds all the money captive.
Fore example, assume I have an interest bearing money mkt account, the Govt has the power to steal my profit every year, that is, unless they tell me I can avoid confiscation, if I invest in certain mkts they deem reasonable, like Green energy.
The libs laughs at these possibilities, but it is part of the leftists agenda.
It's not your money, you didn't build that wealth, the govt did!Sound familiar?
Quote from: Solar on November 28, 2012, 07:00:15 AM
WTF is that?
It appears to be the new buzz word on the left, pushing the camels nose under the tent, lipstick on the pig, Kings new clothing.
It isn't enough the left wants to punish the Capitalists in the country, they now want to outright steal their wealth.
This new approach is to take those that have a certain amount of holdings, and tax them on that wealth, regardless of whether they are investing it, or holding it in an IRA, they think they can simply steal a portion every year.
But what is the magic number that makes you rich? Apparently $250 K per year income of two.
To think, the libs voted for this party...
This is not an actual tax, it is outright theft.
Oh and sorry, no links, it's just now beginning, they are floating talking points to see if it will stick.
This my friends is pure Marxism and will be the final nail in our coffin.
They've gained as much ground as they set out to on the social egalitarian front, and have returned to their economic egalitarian roots. Of course, what they fail to realize is that, when you take on the laws of economics, the laws of economics always win.
I can't get over the fact that this cabal of leftist idiots gets away with calling a COUPLE who make 250K a year "MILLIONARE'S" or the 1% :confused:
250K is 750K short of a million...
besides considering the devaluation of the dollar a million bucks is worth about 600K.
When they learn that taxing someone who is making 250K a year more doesn't work they will decide to lower the figure to 200K...then 150K etc etc etc until they are taxing the hell out of ALL of us at 40%
Billy
Quote from: BILLY Defiant on November 28, 2012, 03:42:34 PM
When they learn that taxing someone who is making 250K a year more doesn't work they will decide to lower the figure to 200K...then 150K etc etc etc until they are taxing the hell out of ALL of us at 40%
When that happens, there will be no one left to tax, everyone will probably be on welfare or have left the country.
Seriously, anyone advocating for anything 'equality' really needs to get over themselves. Life's not fair, deal with it!
Quote from: rocca on November 28, 2012, 04:17:48 PM
When that happens, there will be no one left to tax, everyone will probably be on welfare or have left the country.
Seriously, anyone advocating for anything 'equality' really needs to get over themselves. Life's not fair, deal with it!
Personally it looks like that is the long range goal...get everyone's income on an even basis so that every one is "equal" and no one is "rich"...except of course the ruling elite Komissars....Just like the old Soviet union.
Billy
There is nothing "new" about it.
This school of Socialism dissected with great acuteness the contradictions in the conditions of modern production. It laid bare the hypocritical apologies of economists. It proved, incontrovertibly, the disastrous effects of machinery and division of labour; the concentration of capital and land in a few hands; overproduction and crises; it pointed out the inevitable ruin of the petty bourgeois and peasant, the misery of the proletariat, the anarchy in production, the crying inequalities in the distribution of wealth, the industrial war of extermination between nations, the dissolution of old moral bonds, of the old family relations, of the old nationalities.
Manifesto of the Communist Party, 1848
Quote from: BILLY Defiant on November 28, 2012, 04:33:45 PM
Personally it looks like that is the long range goal...get everyone's income on an even basis so that every one is "equal" and no one is "rich"...except of course the ruling elite Komissars....Just like the old Soviet union.
Billy
Looking back, had anyone predicted 40 years ago, we would be where we are today.
They would have been called crackpots and laughed out of serious circles.
I predict in 40 years, the left will be going after private land.
They will start with large land holders and paint them as greedy rich bastards, this is just to to show the peons that big brother is looking out for them. (no one will resist, it's not their problem)
Then they will move onto people sitting on investment properties, they will be forced to use it or lose it. (again, no one cares, because they were mostly slum parcels worth nothing and needed cleaning up anyway)
In another ten years, the Govt begins forcing people with 20 acres or more they aren't using, to sell to the Govt.
(now it's too late, they're coming after us)
I kid you not, look at the progression of socialism/marxism in this country, that's over a 90 year span and they will be taking what they want.
It's really easy, they just tax you till you can no longer afford to keep it.
It's already happening.........
Thank God, I'll be dead and gone.....
Check this out, it comes from http://arguewithsigns.net/ (http://arguewithsigns.net/)
Scroll down, it's circled in red.
Mistermix at Balloon Juice points out the front page of today's New York Times. Thousands of people gather around the world to protest the growing inequality of wealth distribution, and it merits a mention at the bottom of the front page.
(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi893.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fac133%2Farguingwithsignposts%2FNY_NYT.jpg&hash=63277cd6a5f2e7614a4fbf15cd7aa8e686953008)
Quote from: BILLY Defiant on November 28, 2012, 03:42:34 PM
I can't get over the fact that this cabal of leftist idiots gets away with calling a COUPLE who make 250K a year "MILLIONARE'S" or the 1% :confused:
250K is 750K short of a million...
If you make 20k a year, they can say you're the wealthy. You'll have earned a million bucks in just 50 short years.
Reading all of your replies, I can't help but interject this long ago practice by some of our parents and it NOW makes perfect sense why they did so. Do any of you remember when folks used to bury their money in the back yard or in socks? It happened as late as the 1980's because my Dad did this when he feared the bank's practices. Oh, he had several IRA's but he never did trust our government or banks. He lived thru the Great Depression and I often remember the things that he and friends discussed about that horrible time. When my Dad passed in 1982, we had the task of going thru all of his things and accounts at the banks. He had told us before that he kept an emergency fund in his house but we didn't know where or how much. He just wanted us to know that he was safe in an emergency. He had an attic that was considerable in size and he had hidden pouches like you see at the banks in places all over that attic. He had worked pt after he retired and saved every dime of the money he earned.
Quote from: keyboarder on November 29, 2012, 06:14:42 AM
Reading all of your replies, I can't help but interject this long ago practice by some of our parents and it NOW makes perfect sense why they did so. Do any of you remember when folks used to bury their money in the back yard or in socks? It happened as late as the 1980's because my Dad did this when he feared the bank's practices. Oh, he had several IRA's but he never did trust our government or banks. He lived thru the Great Depression and I often remember the things that he and friends discussed about that horrible time. When my Dad passed in 1982, we had the task of going thru all of his things and accounts at the banks. He had told us before that he kept an emergency fund in his house but we didn't know where or how much. He just wanted us to know that he was safe in an emergency. He had an attic that was considerable in size and he had hidden pouches like you see at the banks in places all over that attic. He had worked pt after he retired and saved every dime of the money he earned.
To this day we have bugout money around the house. That only the kids know where it is at.
Quote from: Solar on November 28, 2012, 07:29:31 PM
Looking back, had anyone predicted 40 years ago, we would be where we are today.
They would have been called crackpots and laughed out of serious circles.
I predict in 40 years, the left will be going after private land.
They will start with large land holders and paint them as greedy rich bastards, this is just to to show the peons that big brother is looking out for them. (no one will resist, it's not their problem)
Then they will move onto people sitting on investment properties, they will be forced to use it or lose it. (again, no one cares, because they were mostly slum parcels worth nothing and needed cleaning up anyway)
In another ten years, the Govt begins forcing people with 20 acres or more they aren't using, to sell to the Govt.
(now it's too late, they're coming after us)
I kid you not, look at the progression of socialism/marxism in this country, that's over a 90 year span and they will be taking what they want.
It's really easy, they just tax you till you can no longer afford to keep it.
It's already happening.........
Thank God, I'll be dead and gone.....
This is how Fidel started. First he went after the unpopular Casinos and lumped the foreign companies in with them as "evil". Then he went after large landowners. The first farm he confiscated was his mother's (I'm sure
Herr Freud would have something to say about that). Then it was anybody with spare property (extra cars, vacation homes, etc.) Then it was pretty much anybody and everybody who dared think of something as "mine" as opposed to "ours".
Of course, the parasitic class of society (there really is no other way to describe them) doesn't care, because they are driven more by a desire to see everyone brought down to their level.
Quote from: CubaLibre on November 29, 2012, 08:29:03 AM
This is how Fidel started. First he went after the unpopular Casinos and lumped the foreign companies in with them as "evil". Then he went after large landowners. The first farm he confiscated was his mother's (I'm sure Herr Freud would have something to say about that). Then it was anybody with spare property (extra cars, vacation homes, etc.) Then it was pretty much anybody and everybody who dared think of something as "mine" as opposed to "ours".
Of course, the parasitic class of society (there really is no other way to describe them) doesn't care, because they are driven more by a desire to see everyone brought down to their level.
Exactly CL, and with half the country now on the side of socialism, it won't be all that long before there is 60%.
I am normally an optimist, but the realist sees the obvious in our situation.
Fact is, conservatives are older and die off faster than young brainwashed minds are created, it's an uphill battle.
Outside of revolution, I just don't see us returning to a more sensible time.
Quote from: Solar on November 29, 2012, 08:52:27 AM
Exactly CL, and with half the country now on the side of socialism, it won't be all that long before there is 60%.
I am normally an optimist, but the realist sees the obvious in our situation.
Fact is, conservatives are older and die off faster than young brainwashed minds are created, it's an uphill battle.
Outside of revolution, I just don't see us returning to a more sensible time.
Maybe it's time to go "John Galt", so to speak. I've been doing some thinking and reading about individual secession, and it makes more sense given the circumstances.
If the productive citizens reduced their tax contributions (by working "under the table" for example), the parasitic class of government would run out of money. I know it smacks of leftist tactics, but it's worked for them. :unsure:
Quote from: CubaLibre on November 29, 2012, 12:48:55 PM
Maybe it's time to go "John Galt", so to speak. I've been doing some thinking and reading about individual secession, and it makes more sense given the circumstances.
If the productive citizens reduced their tax contributions (by working "under the table" for example), the parasitic class of government would run out of money. I know it smacks of leftist tactics, but it's worked for them. :unsure:
You can do that and also get unemployment checks at the same time. I think for 18 months of so.
Quote from: walkstall on November 29, 2012, 12:55:10 PM
You can do that and also get unemployment checks at the same time. I think for 18 months of so.
The system is insane. And people in other countries are coached on how to get on the dole. You have immigrants getting on disability within a year.
The government doesn't care, just raise taxes, borrow money from China, and if all else fails, print. :cursing:
Quote from: CubaLibre on November 29, 2012, 12:48:55 PM
Maybe it's time to go "John Galt", so to speak. I've been doing some thinking and reading about individual secession, and it makes more sense given the circumstances.
If the productive citizens reduced their tax contributions (by working "under the table" for example), the parasitic class of government would run out of money. I know it smacks of leftist tactics, but it's worked for them. :unsure:
Not that I have been doing it for the last 25 years, mind you. I would never do that to Calif. :rolleyes:
This state doesn't respect it's taxpayers, why should we respect them?
Same goes for the FED.
I've decided to stay in Ca and watch it fold like a house of cards.
We, those of us old enough to have experienced the real America, will also be around for what ever it becomes, good or bad, were seeing history unfold before our very eyes.
Be it revolution, or an upwelling in the form of a tax revolt, it's going to be an interesting next few decades. :smile:
Finally got to see the movie version of Atlas Shrugged (Part1). When one considers it was made well before the recent election started to gear up, and it's set in the world of 2016, the depiction of the filthy politics in Washington (dirty is just not a strong enough word), is right on! The further I got into the movie, the more I realized, this is what is happening to our country as we speak (or type, if you will).
The only thing I can add to what has already been said is...
Who is John Galt?
Quote from: Darth Fife on November 29, 2012, 05:01:35 PM
Who is John Galt?
IMO, a filthy rich person that's tired of living like a rich person in a world that is largely poor so he/she/it leaves the known world to be without "regulation" and "taxation".
To put it mildly, John Galt is an jaggoff that just cant deal, even with super rich means, in a world that requires cigarette companies to not lie, car companies not pollute, and oil rigs not spill.
John Galt is a greedy, selfish, turn coat.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on November 29, 2012, 07:14:00 PM
IMO, a filthy rich person that's tired of living like a rich person in a world that is largely poor so he/she/it leaves the known world to be without "regulation" and "taxation".
To put it mildly, John Galt is an jaggoff that just cant deal, even with super rich means, in a world that requires cigarette companies to not lie, car companies not pollute, and oil rigs not spill.
John Galt is a greedy, selfish, turn coat.
And yet, in our statist society, cigarette companies continue to lie, car companies continue to pollute, and oil rigs continue to spill. Talk about a failed investment...
Quote from: hfishjr81 on November 29, 2012, 07:14:00 PM
IMO, a filthy rich person that's tired of living like a rich person in a world that is largely poor so he/she/it leaves the known world to be without "regulation" and "taxation".
To put it mildly, John Galt is an jaggoff that just cant deal, even with super rich means, in a world that requires cigarette companies to not lie, car companies not pollute, and oil rigs not spill.
John Galt is a greedy, selfish, turn coat.
I take it you've never seen the movie, let alone read the book?
Quote from: Darth Fife on November 29, 2012, 05:01:35 PM
Finally got to see the movie version of Atlas Shrugged (Part1). When one considers it was made well before the recent election started to gear up, and it's set in the world of 2016, the depiction of the filthy politics in Washington (dirty is just not a strong enough word), is right on! The further I got into the movie, the more I realized, this is what is happening to our country as we speak (or type, if you will).
The only thing I can add to what has already been said is...
Who is John Galt?
We're really close to that world now. We'll be there in 2016. It's not an America I want to be a part of. My America died at the turn of the century.
I left this sort of garbage 30 years ago And now it is happening here? Are we stupid? Blind? WTF...
Quote from: The Boo Man... on November 30, 2012, 12:40:52 AM
I left this sort of garbage 30 years ago And now it is happening here? Are we stupid? Blind? WTF...
It's proof that liberals have no relation where past and present connect.
They can't make the connection that socialism means giving more power to the state and a loss of freedoms, they don't realize not only does it cost more in the form of taxes, it means more intrusions into your personal life.
Could it have something to do with parents being involved in every aspect of their lives, from soccer mom seeing that their every waking moment be occupied with an activity, out of guilt that her career was more important than staying at home with the kids?
That having someone telling them what to do, how to act, that Big Brother is always there to see to your every need, that when they finally leave the house, they like the feeling of an overbearing Govt, because it reminds them of their screwed up childhood.
When I grew up, I went to school, when I'd get home, mom would kick me out of the house till dinner, then back outside.
When weekend came around, I was out the door till dark, unless I was staying with friends or camping out, but freedom was what I learned, pure independence, self reliance.
Today kids lives are regulated 24hrs a day......
Quote from: Solar on November 30, 2012, 06:01:41 AM
It's proof that liberals have no relation where past and present connect.
They can't make the connection that socialism means giving more power to the state and a loss of freedoms, they don't realize not only does it cost more in the form of taxes, it means more intrusions into your personal life.
Could it have something to do with parents being involved in every aspect of their lives, from soccer mom seeing that their every waking moment be occupied with an activity, out of guilt that her career was more important than staying at home with the kids?
That having someone telling them what to do, how to act, that Big Brother is always there to see to your every need, that when they finally leave the house, they like the feeling of an overbearing Govt, because it reminds them of their screwed up childhood.
When I grew up, I went to school, when I'd get home, mom would kick me out of the house till dinner, then back outside.
When weekend came around, I was out the door till dark, unless I was staying with friends or camping out, but freedom was what I learned, pure independence, self reliance.
Today kids lives are regulated 24hrs a day......
So true.
When I was a kid, my parents wanted me out of their hair and not bugging them. The feeling was mutual.
I feel the same about government. Too bad
they don't see it that way. :angry:
Quote from: kramarat on November 30, 2012, 06:43:50 AM
So true.
When I was a kid, my parents wanted me out of their hair and not bugging them. The feeling was mutual.
I feel the same about government. Too bad they don't see it that way. :angry:
I really do wonder if there is correlation, and if there is, the next generation will be kids used to being on camera and RFID tags from school monitoring them 24 hrs a day.
The idea horrifies the Hell out of me, but these kids will see life no differently under Marxism.
That is a scary thought....
Quote from: Solar on November 30, 2012, 06:53:40 AM
I really do wonder if there is correlation, and if there is, the next generation will be kids used to being on camera and RFID tags from school monitoring them 24 hrs a day.
The idea horrifies the Hell out of me, but these kids will see life no differently under Marxism.
That is a scary thought....
There's lots of scary things going on. Liberals are creeping into the churches and Christian private schools too...........the next frontier.
Did you listen to Rush yesterday? An idea is reemerging that was floated in 2008. It involves turning over 401K accounts to the government, for a guaranteed 3% return when you retire. :scared:
Now lets see................
Social security was supposed to be a
trust account, and the government wasn't supposed to touch it. Well, they spent the hell out of it. Now they want our 401K's. Over my dead body.
There is currently $11 trillion invested in private 401K accounts. Hell yeah, they'd like to get their hands on it.
Quote from: Solar on November 29, 2012, 07:40:14 PM
I take it you've never seen the movie, let alone read the book?
Obviously not! :laugh:
(After all, the book doesn't have any pictures, and the movie doesn't have macho body builders running around with machine guns and RPGs killing anything that moves!)
Think maybe I'm older than most of you here but I surely do relate to the kind of rearing some of you mentioned and it was good enough for my kids too. Nothing like learning naturally. Oh, my parents were close by and I knew the whereabouts of my kids most of the time. Things like that were an understanding when it was going on and I treasure those days. Now, it's just the opposite of what it was then and very scary to me of how kids are being led.
I can say that my parents weren't rich and both worked but they worked separately so that we weren't left with sitters, ever. That was the way it was in my neighborhood with all of the families. We left our doors open day or night-never locked them. The only thing we ever run into was a beggar or extremely poor person that all of us would feed if we could. Everyone got along, kids and adults, for the most part.
Times have changed all of those good times for too many of us. We were considered poor back then, I guess, but pretty much all of us were. I'm talking late 40's thru the 50's. Everything didn't revolve around how rich or poor you were because coming out of the Great Depression, everybody was in the same boat and there wasn't any money.
Lots of household items were rationed, maybe other things like fuel but i don't remember due to I was a baby then. But, I do remember the strength and resolve of my parents to experience the American Dream and I'm happy to say that they did have goals and managed to achieve them but only by hard work and character to follow thru.
This is not a "Young Michael Moore" per se, but a young person who espouses the clap-trap promoted by Michael Moore and his ilk.
Milton Friedman Puts A Young Michael Moore In His Place (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD0dmRJ0oWg#)
Quote from: Darth Fife on November 30, 2012, 08:30:50 AM
This is not a "Young Michael Moore" per se, but a young person who espouses the clap-trap promoted by Michael Moore and his ilk.
Milton Friedman Puts A Young Michael Moore In His Place (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD0dmRJ0oWg#)
I was watching that last week, and Friedman laid him down, eviscerated him, and left him out to dry.
Good stuff...
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with being rich. If Obama would give the millions he is costing us by his highlife in Hawaii to several individuals instead of wasting it on his hedonistic lifestyle, he could create some new millionaires to tax.
Quote from: CubaLibre on November 29, 2012, 07:23:23 PM
And yet, in our statist society, cigarette companies continue to lie, car companies continue to pollute, and oil rigs continue to spill. Talk about a failed investment...
Agreed...
Here he is verses the real Phil Donahue. He would have agreed with Romney on GM.
Quotehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1lWk4TCe4U
Quote from: Yawn on December 01, 2012, 10:07:50 AM
Here he is verses the real Phil Donahue. He would have agreed with Romney on GM.
Every time a bell rings, an Angel gets it's wings.
Every time Friedman spoke, a libs head exploded.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on November 29, 2012, 07:14:00 PM
IMO, a filthy rich person that's tired of living like a rich person in a world that is largely poor so he/she/it leaves the known world to be without "regulation" and "taxation".
To put it mildly, John Galt is an jaggoff that just cant deal, even with super rich means, in a world that requires cigarette companies to not lie, car companies not pollute, and oil rigs not spill.
John Galt is a greedy, selfish, turn coat.
It's easy for people with no marketable skill, like yourself, to have a problem with us producers. No worries. Once the producers have been reduced to nothing, you'll get your slave utopia.
One funny thing about Marxists and the like is they always think they're going to be the ones on top.
Quote from: taxed on December 01, 2012, 01:58:15 PM
It's easy for people with no marketable skill, like yourself, to have a problem with us producers. No worries. Once the producers have been reduced to nothing, you'll get your slave utopia.
One funny thing about Marxists and the like is they always think they're going to be the ones on top.
Libs see the glass as half empty, and instead of encouraging others to fill it, they pour it into a smaller glass.
And when that glass gets halfway, they'll repeat the process in an attempt to make it look full again, all the while the producers that keep filling the glass become scarce.
Eventually there will just be a giant painting of a full glass, hanging in the Smithsonian.....
Quote from: Solar on December 01, 2012, 03:49:46 PM
Libs see the glass as half empty, and instead of encouraging others to fill it, they pour it into a smaller glass.
And when that glass gets halfway, they'll repeat the process in an attempt to make it look full again, all the while the producers that keep filling the glass become scarce.
Eventually there will just be a giant painting of a full glass, hanging in the Smithsonian.....
You mean they are gonna replace the glass with the cross in urine with something new?
Billy
Quote from: BILLY Defiant on December 01, 2012, 03:53:39 PM
You mean they are gonna replace the glass with the cross in urine with something new?
Billy
Probably a bigger cross, being it has more volume displacement, the glass will appear to be fuller. :wink:
Quote from: taxed on December 01, 2012, 01:58:15 PM
It's easy for people with no marketable skill, like yourself, to have a problem with us producers. No worries. Once the producers have been reduced to nothing, you'll get your slave utopia.
One funny thing about Marxists and the like is they always think they're going to be the ones on top.
Joseph Schumpeter said it best:
Quote
Capitalism stands its trial before judges who have the sentence of death in their pockets. They are going to pass it, whatever the defense they may hear; the only success victorious defense can possibly produce is a change in the indictment.
Capitalism has always asked a question that intellectuals have no answer to, and therefore hate: "what use are you"? Once upon a time "intellectuals" were the "pets" of the rich and powerful, both being supported by a large mass of servile peasants. The capitalism came along and made it possible for a peasant to rise from the bottom to the top, displacing those who deserved their position due to birth or "intellectual achievement". It seems much of intellectual pursuit over the last two centuries has consisted of attempting to push the great mass of people back down into servility, while putting in place a new aristocracy who have always promised to return intellectuals to their "rightful" place. :rolleyes:
Quote from: CubaLibre on December 01, 2012, 04:12:11 PM
Joseph Schumpeter said it best:
That is a great quote...
Might I ask how you came across it?