Quote from: Rotwang on October 11, 2016, 09:34:38 AM
You have WAY too much faith in Paul Ryan and the GOP.

That's not the point. Hillary gets in and we lost our majority in the Senate (especially) and the House this country is toast.  Over. Done.  Her dream is a western hemisphere with open borders.  Say good-bye to our sovereignty, our Constitution and our rights.  It will be "Hillary's America", not the America we know now.

Quote from: MisterVeritis on October 11, 2016, 07:47:12 PM
I am going the other direction. I will vote for Trump. I will NOT vote for any of the establishment republicans who abandoned the fight.

I'm sorry, but that is possibly one of the most absurd statements I have heard during this entire election.  Without the majority in the House and Senate we lose our country.  Hate to burst your bubble, put Trump is losing by double digits. The evidence of his sexual advances and degradation of women keeps piling on and his poll numbers continue to slide. The next debate includes the topic of "fit to be president"...we all know (at least most of us) how that's going to go.

Quote from: Rotwang on October 12, 2016, 07:31:44 PM
This has been true since at least the early 1990s.

The first Bush had to tread very lightly for fear the electorate would have his head, after that, no one gave a damn...

Quote from: Solar on October 12, 2016, 08:30:44 PM
The first Bush had to tread very lightly for fear the electorate would have his head, after that, no one gave a damn...

Funny how just a handful of us remember politics of 1980.  Even fewer have any recollection of the Kennedy / Nixon election and what lead up to it.  My parents were absolutely dead-set against JFK, (they worked in the Goldwater campaign - I was too young to understand why they got "so worked up about Barry").  They often referred to JFK as a very, immoral man - whatever the media tried to cover up, they apparently were well aware of who he really was.

Probably was one of the first times Television had such an impact "recasting the character" of a candidate, before and after an election.
Two books/movies, "Profiles in Courage" and "PT-109" had my dad infuriated (he fought in the Pacific Theature). 

By today's comparison, John Kerry's Viet Nam antics, attempts by the Democrats to create him as a war hero...  until his contemporaries spilled the beans.   Dems merely adapted the same theme of JFK to Kerry, but it blew up.

Based on JFK's popularity, coronation and rise to Democratic "sainthood" - his and Lyndon Johnson's complete perversion in the WH, all of which is white-washed by the media...  Two of the biggest abusers of power in the WH & most perverted, abusers of women ever, JFK & LBJ!  They've been screwing with elections LONG before 1980, getting Bush on the Reagan ticket.  (Drifting a bit from the intent of my reply... sorry!)

I cannot separate the Democrats from Hollywood & the Main Stream Media - they're two of the same, full of Socialists & Communists and the most immoral persons... they provide cover for their own & project their own sins upon Republicans.

Quote from: Hoofer on October 13, 2016, 05:57:31 AM
Funny how just a handful of us remember politics of 1980.  Even fewer have any recollection of the Kennedy / Nixon election and what lead up to it.  My parents were absolutely dead-set against JFK, (they worked in the Goldwater campaign - I was too young to understand why they got "so worked up about Barry").  They often referred to JFK as a very, immoral man - whatever the media tried to cover up, they apparently were well aware of who he really was.

Probably was one of the first times Television had such an impact "recasting the character" of a candidate, before and after an election.
Two books/movies, "Profiles in Courage" and "PT-109" had my dad infuriated (he fought in the Pacific Theature). 

By today's comparison, John Kerry's Viet Nam antics, attempts by the Democrats to create him as a war hero...  until his contemporaries spilled the beans.   Dems merely adapted the same theme of JFK to Kerry, but it blew up.

Based on JFK's popularity, coronation and rise to Democratic "sainthood" - his and Lyndon Johnson's complete perversion in the WH, all of which is white-washed by the media...  Two of the biggest abusers of power in the WH & most perverted, abusers of women ever, JFK & LBJ!  They've been screwing with elections LONG before 1980, getting Bush on the Reagan ticket.  (Drifting a bit from the intent of my reply... sorry!)

I cannot separate the Democrats from Hollywood & the Main Stream Media - they're two of the same, full of Socialists & Communists and the most immoral persons... they provide cover for their own & project their own sins upon Republicans.

Our dads must have known one another.
I remember how dad went on and on about the spoiled kid with a speed boat the mob boss bought him to keep his ass out of trouble.
I remember being in school and seeing a bunch of kids crying because JFK had been shot, they let us out of school early, I asked mom and dad why were the kids crying, and dad said because they like so many, never think for themselves and think what they are told "Feel". He said they were mimicking their parents, they cry for attention. He said anger is the correct response.
At the time I had no historic reference to grasp the gravity of it's meaning, but decades later, I see what he meant about "Feeling" vs intellect and liberals lack of it.

Yeah, the left had it's claws deep in politics and their long term plans were in place. Look where we are today, a Marxist in the WH and a leftist in the GOP.
And these idiot kids whine about labels?

Quote from: Hoofer on October 13, 2016, 05:57:31 AM
By today's comparison, John Kerry's Viet Nam antics, attempts by the Democrats to create him as a war hero...  until his contemporaries spilled the beans.   Dems merely adapted the same theme of JFK to Kerry, but it blew up.

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I cannot separate the Democrats from Hollywood & the Main Stream Media - they're two of the same, full of Socialists & Communists and the most immoral persons... they provide cover for their own & project their own sins upon Republicans.

The Hollywood 10 were --- how shall I say it? --- guilty as hell and free as a bird. Trumbo and his pals set the mold for future Red Menace activity out there. I must demur about Hollyweird being EXCLUSIVELY leftist. They just don't advertise it, or else most would be blackballed. (Ask Clint Howard or Robert Davi or Jon Voight how their careers are doing....)

But back to your first statement above. The Democrats are essentially pacifists and if anyone is to think ahead a generation or two, it isn't difficult to foresee actively anti-military politicians and a significant weakening of our defense posture.

Is it even mildly sexist to point out that women now outnumber men within the Democrats? Is it unfairly chauvinistic for a male to point out certain universal traits which women almost always exhibit...beginning with pacifism?

It's all in the numbers of any majority vote on any political issue. Sooner or later our military will be helpless. Money for replacement ships will be bled-off into social programs, welfare payouts will soar, and our current fleet will be down to rowboats and rubber rafts. We're at a dangerous ebb in the replacement-cycle for existing Navy ships alone (and other services are free to add to the list of programs or equipment they were FORCED to accept in place of things they needed).

Quote from: quiller on October 13, 2016, 06:25:45 AM
The Hollywood 10 were --- how shall I say it? --- guilty as hell and free as a bird. Trumbo and his pals set the mold for future Red Menace activity out there. I must demur about Hollyweird being EXCLUSIVELY leftist. They just don't advertise it, or else most would be blackballed. (Ask Clint Howard or Robert Davi or Jon Voight how their careers are doing....)

But back to your first statement above. The Democrats are essentially pacifists and if anyone is to think ahead a generation or two, it isn't difficult to foresee actively anti-military politicians and a significant weakening of our defense posture.

Is it even mildly sexist to point out that women now outnumber men within the Democrats? Is it unfairly chauvinistic for a male to point out certain universal traits which women almost always exhibit...beginning with pacifism?

It's all in the numbers of any majority vote on any political issue. Sooner or later our military will be helpless. Money for replacement ships will be bled-off into social programs, welfare payouts will soar, and our current fleet will be down to rowboats and rubber rafts. We're at a dangerous ebb in the replacement-cycle for existing Navy ships alone (and other services are free to add to the list of programs or equipment they were FORCED to accept in place of things they needed).

At the time, if was JFK and LBJ who turned me into a pacifist.   It is a SHAME that Cronkite managed to convince the world, Viet Nam it was Nixon's fault.  That and the music of the era.

This is a crazy election...  all "feelings" no "policy".   

Quote from: Hoofer on October 13, 2016, 12:02:59 PM
At the time, if was JFK and LBJ who turned me into a pacifist.   It is a SHAME that Cronkite managed to convince the world, Viet Nam it was Nixon's fault.  That and the music of the era.

This is a crazy election...  all "feelings" no "policy".

I was senior in college the fall of 1964. At that time I was a "southern democrat". Goldwater scared me and I voted for Johnson. By 1966 reality had hit me and I saw that Goldwater was right about the war in Vietnam and saw all the BS LBJ was putting forward. LBJ's insanity really started to hit me when I had to attend funerals of my friends and fraternity brothers. I have been a staunch conservative ever since.

Quote from: supsalemgr on October 13, 2016, 12:21:31 PM
I was senior in college the fall of 1964. At that time I was a "southern democrat". Goldwater scared me and I voted for Johnson. By 1966 reality had hit me and I saw that Goldwater was right about the war in Vietnam and saw all the BS LBJ was putting forward. LBJ's insanity really started to hit me when I had to attend funerals of my friends and fraternity brothers. I have been a staunch conservative ever since.

Wow...I feel like a youngster    I am old enough though to remember protesting the Vietnam War (yep it got us out of class) and then watching the older brothers of my friends come home and they weren't quite right for a long time and never would talk about what they went through.  My first eligible election was a run off between Carter and Ford.  I got married during the Reagan years and have yet to feel confident, safe, and everything is going to be alright with our country again.  'Read My Lips" was a catastrophe and Billy Bob sold our country down the tubes with the signing of NAFTA. We yanked our kids out of the public school system when we realized the liberal brainwash and dumbing down of our kids was taking place. The area that we live in started having a rather large illegal invasion and I soon realized how much our sovereignty was at stake, how proud I was to be an American and I became involved and more interested in what was happening politically.  It didn't take long to see the writing on the wall and the massive corruption that was and still is taking place.  I never ever thought Hillary would actually make the nominee but it's not like she had any true competitors and I at one time was really excited about this election. I was very confident that people would nominate and eventually elect a man who stood for the Constitution, "We the People", conservatism, and hadn't been engulfed by the Washington sewer.  I have been absolutely astounded, dumbfounded and amazed that we are now looking at one of two awful misfits who will more than likely be our next president.  God Help us.

Thanks for letting me vent.  Realizing what is happening brings tears to my eyes.  It's been a very long and stressful election cycle.

Quote from: supsalemgr on October 13, 2016, 12:21:31 PM
I was senior in college the fall of 1964. At that time I was a "southern democrat". Goldwater scared me and I voted for Johnson. By 1966 reality had hit me and I saw that Goldwater was right about the war in Vietnam and saw all the BS LBJ was putting forward. LBJ's insanity really started to hit me when I had to attend funerals of my friends and fraternity brothers. I have been a staunch conservative ever since.

It is a shame the GOPe regards Goldwater as a loser and Reagan's Conservative policy as out-of-touch with today's electorate.

It is getting really difficult to find anything on the "down ballot" candidates in the MSM (radio broadcasts).

More of the media silence.

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https://www.barna.com/research/the-faith-and-ideology-of-trump-and-clinton-supporters/

QuoteThe new Barna survey of 1,023 adults, which included 627 likely voters, identified 16 distinct voter segments that are poised to vote for Trump. Those segments range from large in number to a relatively small niche, but they share a conservative view of politics and a common notion of the appropriate direction for the nation to pursue.

Not surprisingly, the Republican candidate has won over a majority of the typically right-leaning faith segments. That includes evangelicals (among whom he holds a 55% to 2% lead over Clinton); non-evangelical born again Christians (he has a 49% to 31% lead among them); those who attend a Protestant church (47% to 32% lead); adults who claim to have a biblical worldview (57% to 30% margin); people who believe that absolute moral truth exists (48% to 37% preference for Trump); and those who consider themselves to be theologically conservative (60% for Trump, 28% for Clinton).

Trump was the favorite of several lifestyle segments. Among gun owners (55% to 34% preference for Trump); self-proclaimed pro-life advocates (54% to 31%); people who say they support traditional moral values (47% to 39%); adults who say they love NASCAR (50% for Trump, 39% for Clinton); and people who currently or have previously served in the military (57% to 29%).

The New York real estate mogul was also the candidate of choice to several groups defined by their attitudes or ideology. For instance, among people who say they are angry about the current state of America, Trump was the favorite by a 52% to 31% margin. He is also preferred by people who believe the country is going in the wrong direction (52% to 30%). Similarly, Trump dominated among fiscal conservatives (71% to 19%); social conservatives (69% to 21%); and among people who want a government that is less active and far-reaching than we currently have (64% to 16%).

I suspect Donald Trump is not really trusted by Christians, so the numbers are closer to each other - than they would be if it was Ted Cruz vs Hillary Clinton.  That's what happens when the WRONG candidate is nominated, instead of overwhelming, landslide support for the Republican candidate - against a clear commie lib, she has ridiculous levels of support among Christians - when she should have NONE.

Note that NONE of the polling adds up to 100%....  in most cases 20% of those polled, were not listed... like they got raptured or something?

There are so many things in this thread to which I'd like to reply!
I guess I'll go back to the original topic:

We MUST vote!
Rush has been making the point that,
Paul Ryan claims that we must re-elect him to the House
so he can oppose the agenda of President Clinton.

Why should we think he would START opposing the Dems?
And why should we think he'd oppose President Clinton
when he ALREADY refuses to oppose CANDIDATE Clinton?

A good outcome would be that the Rs keep the House and Senate,
but Ryan loses HIS seat!
Then maybe we could get Speaker Jim Jordan!

The most important reason to vote is to STOP HILLARY!!!!!!!

If she gets in, she'll put on the Supreme Court
Justices who will ABOLISH ALL VOTER ID LAWS!!!

Then, in every future election - FOREVER -
the Dems will have an additional 20 million ILLEGAL votes!

If Hillary wins, it's about more than what happens
for just the next four years, or for just the next generation.
THIS ELECTION DECIDES WHO WILL WIN EVERY FUTURE ELECTION - FOREVER!!!!!!!

Quote from: je_freedom on October 14, 2016, 08:04:22 PM
There are so many things in this thread to which I'd like to reply!
I guess I'll go back to the original topic:

We MUST vote!
Rush has been making the point that,
Paul Ryan claims that we must re-elect him to the House
so he can oppose the agenda of President Clinton.

Why should we think he would START opposing the Dems?
And why should we think he'd oppose President Clinton
when he ALREADY refuses to oppose CANDIDATE Clinton?

A good outcome would be that the Rs keep the House and Senate,
but Ryan loses HIS seat!
Then maybe we could get Speaker Jim Jordan!

The most important reason to vote is to STOP HILLARY!!!!!!!

If she gets in, she'll put on the Supreme Court
Justices who will ABOLISH ALL VOTER ID LAWS!!!

Then, in every future election - FOREVER -
the Dems will have an additional 20 million ILLEGAL votes!

If Hillary wins, it's about more than what happens
for just the next four years, or for just the next generation.
THIS ELECTION DECIDES WHO WILL WIN EVERY FUTURE ELECTION - FOREVER!!!!!!!

I remember when I would hear reasons to vote for someone. We would hear all about what they could accomplish if given the chance, they stood by their beliefs. Now, I hear "well he ain't hillary".

Quote from: je_freedom on October 14, 2016, 08:04:22 PM
There are so many things in this thread to which I'd like to reply!
I guess I'll go back to the original topic:

We MUST vote!
Rush has been making the point that,
Paul Ryan claims that we must re-elect him to the House
so he can oppose the agenda of President Clinton.

Why should we think he would START opposing the Dems?
And why should we think he'd oppose President Clinton
when he ALREADY refuses to oppose CANDIDATE Clinton?

A good outcome would be that the Rs keep the House and Senate,
but Ryan loses HIS seat!
Then maybe we could get Speaker Jim Jordan!

The most important reason to vote is to STOP HILLARY!!!!!!!

If she gets in, she'll put on the Supreme Court
Justices who will ABOLISH ALL VOTER ID LAWS!!!

Then, in every future election - FOREVER -
the Dems will have an additional 20 million ILLEGAL votes!

If Hillary wins, it's about more than what happens
for just the next four years, or for just the next generation.
THIS ELECTION DECIDES WHO WILL WIN EVERY FUTURE ELECTION - FOREVER!!!!!!!

Think Omnibus, think Robert's, and tell me the GOP deserves support again, why?
There used to be a time when every Conservative had a dog in the fight, regardless of what the scum they nominated as our candidate, that dog being the future of our Republic.
That ship sailed, the GOP shit on the Constitution, and our dog in the fight is to kill off the GOP and steal the party for our own!

No, I refuse to support the enemy of the republic, and until you wake up, they'll happily bend you over and abuse you at every turn.
It's our turn...

Quote from: je_freedom on October 14, 2016, 08:04:22 PM
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Paul Ryan claims that we must re-elect him to the House so he can oppose the agenda of President Clinton.

Paul Ryan had some REALLY GOOD stuff during the 2012 election - it was well thought out, presented and right on.  WHAT happened to it?
Yeah, I'm skeptical, but... if he rights his own ship and .... blah, blah, does what he said he wanted to do...  sigh!

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Why should we think he would START opposing the Dems?   And why should we think he'd oppose President Clinton when he ALREADY refuses to oppose CANDIDATE Clinton?

Obama, political correctness, etc., it's more or less a matter of not being able to ignore the will of the electorate, or you'll become the House minority leader.  I think he can read-the-writing-on-the-wall.

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A good outcome would be that the Rs keep the House and Senate, but Ryan loses HIS seat!  Then maybe we could get Speaker Jim Jordan! 

I agree, Ryan has lost the advantage he was given by the voters, can't think of a good reason why he should retain the Speakership position - we agree on that.

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The most important reason to vote is to STOP HILLARY!!!!!!!

...and the RINOs, GOPe .... all the "R"s who have been useful idiots for the Democrats.

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If she gets in, she'll put on the Supreme Court Justices who will ABOLISH ALL VOTER ID LAWS!!!

Then, in every future election - FOREVER - the Dems will have an additional 20 million ILLEGAL votes!

If Hillary wins, it's about more than what happens for just the next four years, or for just the next generation.
THIS ELECTION DECIDES WHO WILL WIN EVERY FUTURE ELECTION - FOREVER!!!!!!!

scare tactics based on far-reaching speculation like that... come'on man, you can go better than that, right?
For everyone who makes those kinds of claims... are you willing to put up your entire retirement savings as collateral, to bolster your guarantee of accuracy?   If you're right, we're both broke.   IF you are wrong, I want my share in Silver, Solar and Taxed can claim part of it too! 

Like the guy at work who kept bugging me to join a "football pool", $10 per square, per week.  I said, "If this is a GOOD thing, put some REAL money on it, $100 or $1k a square, after a few weeks, I'll give you my decision..."   Some people get pissed so easily over nothing... so what if I said I'd tell his wife he gambles.      He said it was a "good thing".

Quote from: je_freedom on October 14, 2016, 08:04:22 PM
There are so many things in this thread to which I'd like to reply!
I guess I'll go back to the original topic:

We MUST vote!
Rush has been making the point that,
Paul Ryan claims that we must re-elect him to the House
so he can oppose the agenda of President Clinton.

Why should we think he would START opposing the Dems?
And why should we think he'd oppose President Clinton
when he ALREADY refuses to oppose CANDIDATE Clinton?

A good outcome would be that the Rs keep the House and Senate,
but Ryan loses HIS seat!
Then maybe we could get Speaker Jim Jordan!

The most important reason to vote is to STOP HILLARY!!!!!!!

If she gets in, she'll put on the Supreme Court
Justices who will ABOLISH ALL VOTER ID LAWS!!!

Then, in every future election - FOREVER -
the Dems will have an additional 20 million ILLEGAL votes!

If Hillary wins, it's about more than what happens
for just the next four years, or for just the next generation.
THIS ELECTION DECIDES WHO WILL WIN EVERY FUTURE ELECTION - FOREVER!!!!!!!

One other point. Are you saying the GOP is now totally worthless unless Trump is POTUS?
You see, Hillary has to get through both Rep controlled Houses to get her selection of SCOTUS nominee.

My point is, it doesn't matter who gets elected, the GOP will not appoint a Conservative, and as proof, look what they did to Cruz to get a NY Lib the nomination.