I opened this thread on an engineering forum that I'm on, and the more I dig, the worse it gets. This involves the EPA, FEMA, DHS, EOs, the UN, US drone surveillance by the US military, and the end of freedom as we know it.
Here are the pertinent links, it's a lot of reading, but it's scary as hell, and it's real.
EPA and USDA climate change adaptation programs. Opened for public discussion last Friday:
http://epa.gov/climatechange/pdfs/EPA-climate-change-adaptation-plan-final-for-public-comment-2-7-13.pdf (http://epa.gov/climatechange/pdfs/EPA-climate-change-adaptation-plan-final-for-public-comment-2-7-13.pdf)
http://blogs.usda.gov/2013/02/07/usda-climate-change-adaptation-plan-open-for-public-comment/ (http://blogs.usda.gov/2013/02/07/usda-climate-change-adaptation-plan-open-for-public-comment/)
The whitehouse site, and state implementation plans:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/ceq/initiatives/adaptation (http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/ceq/initiatives/adaptation)
http://www.climatechange.ca.gov/adaptation/ (http://www.climatechange.ca.gov/adaptation/)
http://www.mass.gov/eea/docs/eea/energy/cca/eea-climate-adaptation-report.pdf (http://www.mass.gov/eea/docs/eea/energy/cca/eea-climate-adaptation-report.pdf)
The use of the US airforce for drone surveillance over the entire US:
http://cbsla.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/drones1.pdf (http://cbsla.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/drones1.pdf)
Document that brings the EPA into the fold with FEMA and DHS:
http://www.epa.gov/dced/pdf/2011_0114_fema-epa-moa.pdf (http://www.epa.gov/dced/pdf/2011_0114_fema-epa-moa.pdf)
We may think we are fighting something, but we don't even know the beginning of what they are implementing; right under our noses. I predict that by the end of Obama's current term, every aspect of our lives will be under government control. :cry:
Maybe I'm just having a bad day, but this stuff has me freaked out.
I think the entire dog and pony show in Washington is just a distraction. In the meantime the left is coming at us from so many fronts, that it's impossible to keep up with.
For all I know, the republicans are in on it. I haven't heard a word about this crap until a few days ago. Not a peep out of the republicans. 2013 is the year that all of this gets implemented.
Here's the entire Air Force document:
http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/usaf/afi14-104.pdf (http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/usaf/afi14-104.pdf)
whoever said "ignorance is bliss" was certainly right
Edit: The biggest problem with this is the expansion of EPA and the affiliated directorates/department will add to the deficit, make more people dependent on the state, and worse fresh drinking water and public necessities will fall under EPA and FEMA with rationing solutions to problems, and if you want a shortage of something then rationing is the way to go.
EPA will not secure fresh water in event of emergency they will create shortage of it.
WW1 coffe/chocolate rationing in US is a perfect analogy of government creating shortage where there was over supply.
Quote from: Mountainshield on February 13, 2013, 09:59:03 AM
whoever said "ignorance is bliss" was certainly right
Edit: The biggest problem with this is the expansion of EPA and the affiliated directorates/department will add to the deficit, make more people dependent on the state, and worse fresh drinking water and public necessities will fall under EPA and FEMA with rationing solutions to problems, and if you want a shortage of something then rationing is the way to go.
EPA will not secure fresh water in event of emergency they will create shortage of it.
WW1 coffe/chocolate rationing in US is a perfect analogy of government creating shortage where there was over supply.
What they will be doing...............is anything they damned well please.
OMG!!!! The more I look, the more I find. :scared:
http://www.trevorloudon.com/2013/02/homeowners-vs-epa-home-invasion/ (http://www.trevorloudon.com/2013/02/homeowners-vs-epa-home-invasion/)
Who needs conspiracy theories?
http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?src=/program_offices/healthy_homes/advhh (http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?src=/program_offices/healthy_homes/advhh)
This is how they will stop fracking.
http://water.epa.gov/type/groundwater/uic/class2/hydraulicfracturing/wells_hydroreg.cfm (http://water.epa.gov/type/groundwater/uic/class2/hydraulicfracturing/wells_hydroreg.cfm)
Any piece of equipment that runs on diesel fuel, comes under the EPA. :mad:
While the SDWA specifically excludes hydraulic fracturing from UIC regulation under SDWA ยง 1421 (d)(1), the use of diesel fuel during hydraulic fracturing is still regulated by the UIC program. Any service company that performs hydraulic fracturing using diesel fuel must receive prior authorization through the applicable UIC program.
I know we hate conspiracy theories, but it's now been established that the EPA, USDA, HUD, FEMA, NOAA, etc., will be all working under the DHS. Is it time to get concerned about the 100s of millions of rounds of ammo that they are purchasing? :blink:
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/dhs-purchases-21-6-million-more-rounds-of-ammunition/msg112282/#msg112282 (http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/dhs-purchases-21-6-million-more-rounds-of-ammunition/msg112282/#msg112282)
Quote from: Turks on February 13, 2013, 11:27:12 AM
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/dhs-purchases-21-6-million-more-rounds-of-ammunition/msg112282/#msg112282 (http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/dhs-purchases-21-6-million-more-rounds-of-ammunition/msg112282/#msg112282)
It makes a lot more sense, knowing that Obama is going to use a multitude of agencies, and completely bypass congress to take control of every aspect of our lives. All of this gets implemented this year. I wouldn't have believed it was happening, if I didn't read it from the government's own sites. I'm officially scared.
Quote from: kramarat on February 13, 2013, 11:46:46 AM
It makes a lot more sense, knowing that Obama is going to use a multitude of agencies, and completely bypass congress to take control of every aspect of our lives. All of this gets implemented this year. I wouldn't have believed it was happening, if I didn't read it from the government's own sites. I'm officially scared.
Smells like "Executive orders" to me. Now you know why congress is so silent on all of it. No matter how many arguments are raised to the executive branch, the bottom line is Obungler's gonna' do whatever it takes to bring this country down.
My question is this, how do the dems think that most if not all of his proposals will move our country foward? Sounds like wishful thinking on their part to think that these hairbrained schemes of Obunglar's will actually turn our country in the right direction. There's already been too much sound opposition against most anything he comes up with and we've seen what the outcome has been-zero (0).
Another thing, along with the silence of the congress, I've never known of a situation in our history where the principles of our founding fathers was touted as ideals favored and abided by in speeches only. In reality, these ideals are so exploited now that the Constitution is just documents in a frame of a time long gone and along with that -freedom.
Everytime you hear Obunglar's speeches, listen for these words as he supposedly informs us of his next idiotic proposals. In defence of anything he has to offer, he will always tell the listeners that most Americans favor what he has been doing and that he will continue to do whatever it takes to get this country on track for the times. He's talking about the election of course, a subject I'm still of the opinion that was tampered with in his favor.
The part of us that didn't vote for him is the problem. Obunglar knows that there will most likely be anarchy when the worst of his proposals gets implemented so he's taking measures to head off anything that will get in his way. Buying all the bullets and trying to get all of the guns under his control is only a few steps to achieve his total command of us. Another way to weaken the populus is to control the food suply. We are already under his very expensive health control for the most part. Education for our children has taken sure liberal standards in order to make sure that future generations will be on track for socialism (control). I think the term associated with teaching our children is "get them while they are young". The Bible tells us to get your understanding early in life and hopefully most people are taking advantage of the Bible plan and trust me, it is a toatally different one from Obunglar's.
I don't think that I got in over my head with all of this rambling. I think that I have a good understanding of what we are faced with. The world has a long history just packed with situations like we are in now. It also has a prophetic history, one that is completely ignored by this administration. I'll go down saying that ignoring this most important part of our history will be the biggest mistake of Obama's administration. I'm prepared to see it thru because I believe that prophecy will win out in the end.
Quote from: keyboarder on February 13, 2013, 01:55:04 PM
Smells like "Executive orders" to me. Now you know why congress is so silent on all of it. No matter how many arguments are raised to the executive branch, the bottom line is Obungler's gonna' do whatever it takes to bring this country down.
My question is this, how do the dems think that most if not all of his proposals will move our country foward? Sounds like wishful thinking on their part to think that these hairbrained schemes of Obunglar's will actually turn our country in the right direction. There's already been too much sound opposition against most anything he comes up with and we've seen what the outcome has been-zero (0).
Another thing, along with the silence of the congress, I've never known of a situation in our history where the principles of our founding fathers was touted as ideals favored and abided by in speeches only. In reality, these ideals are so exploited now that the Constitution is just documents in a frame of a time long gone and along with that -freedom.
Everytime you hear Obunglar's speeches, listen for these words as he supposedly informs us of his next idiotic proposals. In defence of anything he has to offer, he will always tell the listeners that most Americans favor what he has been doing and that he will continue to do whatever it takes to get this country on track for the times. He's talking about the election of course, a subject I'm still of the opinion that was tampered with in his favor.
The part of us that didn't vote for him is the problem. Obunglar knows that there will most likely be anarchy when the worst of his proposals gets implemented so he's taking measures to head off anything that will get in his way. Buying all the bullets and trying to get all of the guns under his control is only a few steps to achieve his total command of us. Another way to weaken the populus is to control the food suply. We are already under his very expensive health control for the most part. Education for our children has taken sure liberal standards in order to make sure that future generations will be on track for socialism (control). I think the term associated with teaching our children is "get them while they are young". The Bible tells us to get your understanding early in life and hopefully most people are taking advantage of the Bible plan and trust me, it is a toatally different one from Obunglar's.
I don't think that I got in over my head with all of this rambling. I think that I have a good understanding of what we are faced with. The world has a long history just packed with situations like we are in now. It also has a prophetic history, one that is completely ignored by this administration. I'll go down saying that ignoring this most important part of our history will be the biggest mistake of Obama's administration. I'm prepared to see it thru because I believe that prophecy will win out in the end.
I really have no idea why the republicans are silent on this, but I don't like it.
On the engineering forum, I'm being slammed for being paranoid by one guy, and the rest have their heads in the sand.
I really don't think they understand the implications. CO2 was labeled as a pollutant in 2009. The EPA will implement their authority to regulate it in 2013; therefore, any industry that creates CO2 as a byproduct of their operations will come under the scrutiny of the EPA. They will be polluters. And despite providing nothing but government links, I'm being called crazy. :confused:
What these people don't understand, is that I will derive no pleasure from telling them "I told you so", a year from now. The entire freaking country is asleep at the wheel. :cry:
We are well past the standards for impeachment on about 20 issues.
When does somebody who gives a schyte about America stand up and grow a pair ?
Now I know that it can't get past the senate, and probably even the RINOs in the house.
But damn, somebody with any sense of patriotism left should just fall on his or her sword, and propose articles of impeachment on every crime and end-run the guy has done.
One after the other, just submit the documents to start the process. One per day for about a month.
Maybe every one gets shot down in minutes or hours, but this person will go down in history as just about our last great country(wo)man.
I don't know how there can't be this person out there. What's a better thing to do, just sit around and watch it all unfold, like a mouse ?
Benghazi is 1000X worse than Watergate. Somebody should be riding this like Woodward / Bernstein did, or Karen Silkwood, or whomever.
It won't be a MSM type, that's for certain. But it could be a talk radio type or a rep / senator.
Quote from: AndyJackson on February 13, 2013, 03:48:14 PM
We are well past the standards for impeachment on about 20 issues.
When does somebody who gives a schyte about America stand up and grow a pair ?
Now I know that it can't get past the senate, and probably even the RINOs in the house.
But damn, somebody with any sense of patriotism left should just fall on his or her sword, and propose articles of impeachment on every crime and end-run the guy has done.
One after the other, just submit the documents to start the process. One per day for about a month.
Maybe every one gets shot down in minutes or hours, but this person will go down in history as just about our last great country(wo)man.
I don't know how there can't be this person out there. What's a better thing to do, just sit around and watch it all unfold, like a mouse ?
Benghazi is 1000X worse than Watergate. Somebody should be riding this like Woodward / Bernstein did, or Karen Silkwood, or whomever.
It won't be a MSM type, that's for certain. But it could be a talk radio type or a rep / senator.
I'm pretty depressed right now.
Public discussion on this topic was opened on Friday, and it ends in April. By the end of 2013, CO2 will be considered to be a major pollutant, and will be regulated by the EPA. In the meantime, I'm being treated like a crazy heretic on an engineering forum.
It seems like being a rational, small government conservative, earns you nothing but enemies these days.
People really don't think that our government is capable of doing anything that will hurt them; hence, this thread title.
You are being rational (at least on this :biggrin:). Progressives are using these regulatory agencies to bypass the only Constitutional and legitimate law making body (the US Congress). This isn't going to end well unless we can defund these agencies. Neither party has the will to do that. Repubs don't want to be seen as the party of dirty air and dirty water.
Quote from: Yawn on February 13, 2013, 04:32:58 PM
You are being rational (at least on this :biggrin:). Progressives are using these regulatory agencies to bypass the only Constitutional and legitimate law making body (the US Congress). This isn't going to end well unless we can defund these agencies. Neither party has the will to do that. Repubs don't want to be seen as the party of dirty air and dirty water.
When otherwise intelligent people, (engineers), are incapable of seeing that sweeping EPA regulations in regard to CO2 output, will have a direct impact on their lives, jobs, and businesses, I just don't know what to say. By the time they realize that this is a direct assault on them, it will be too late; the laws will be in place.
There is nothing going through congress now. Aside from a few things that don't really matter, virtually everything that Obama is doing, is going around congress and through his various regulatory agencies.
The EPA is the most dangerous part of the Fed. it has to be dismantled.
They meaning both parties are all in it together. If you actually think that one party is any better than the other than you haven't been paying any attention and I don't mean for just the past 4-5 years.
Quote from: Turks on February 14, 2013, 02:52:14 AM
They meaning both parties are all in it together. If you actually think that one party is any better than the other than you haven't been paying any attention and I don't mean for just the past 4-5 years.
If all of this comes to be, it will be one of the biggest government intrusions into our lives ever. Considering that it's not being talked about
anywhere, I don't see how the republicans can't be part of it. :sad:
Yet another link to a DHS mission that I haven't ever heard of. The Environmental Justice Strategy.....
http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/mgmt/dhs-environmental-justice-strategy.pdf (http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/mgmt/dhs-environmental-justice-strategy.pdf)
Communication on initiatives related to environmental justice will implement the DHS Guidance to Federal Financial Assistance Recipients Regarding Title VI Prohibition Against National Origin Discrimination Affecting Limited English Proficient Persons (http://www.dhs.gov/xabout/laws/gc_1277242893223.shtm, (http://www.dhs.gov/xabout/laws/gc_1277242893223.shtm,) along with multi-lingual summaries), and with the Department's forthcoming language access plan.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 13, 2013, 07:11:23 PM
The EPA is the most dangerous part of the Fed. it has to be dismantled.
Created by Richard Nixon to appease the left. "see, we're for clean air and water too!"
Quote from: AndyJackson on February 13, 2013, 03:48:14 PM
We are well past the standards for impeachment on about 20 issues.
When does somebody who gives a schyte about America stand up and grow a pair ?
Now I know that it can't get past the senate, and probably even the RINOs in the house.
But damn, somebody with any sense of patriotism left should just fall on his or her sword, and propose articles of impeachment on every crime and end-run the guy has done.
One after the other, just submit the documents to start the process. One per day for about a month.
Maybe every one gets shot down in minutes or hours, but this person will go down in history as just about our last great country(wo)man.
I don't know how there can't be this person out there. What's a better thing to do, just sit around and watch it all unfold, like a mouse ?
Benghazi is 1000X worse than Watergate. Somebody should be riding this like Woodward / Bernstein did, or Karen Silkwood, or whomever.
It won't be a MSM type, that's for certain. But it could be a talk radio type or a rep / senator.
........yet, each day it seems like we are again pelted with a so-called issue that supposedly needs straightened out from Bush's term. Bush is looking better every day compared to the total mess we are in. Bush supposedly got us into a war that we should have never fought. Get the irony from his situation where he announced that "intelligence reports" were saying that there were WMDs in Iraq and so he made the decision to intercede just after the 911 event. On the other hand, Oliar and Clintoon came on the TV a day after the Benghazzi event and told us that "intelligence" said that a relatively unknown film against Islam was behind the murder by terrorists of 4 Americans, giving us the blame we didn't deserve-end of story as far as those two are concerned. Bush won't ever be able to live down his history of being a war monger even though intelligence told him that Iraq was in the wrong. BTW, congress was all in for the attack on Iraq, and so were the American public. Remember the chants of "awaking a sleeping giant' (again) and everyone breaking their necks to get a flag to perch on their carhoods in show of patriotism and solidiarity? That sure didn't last long, did it?
Quote from: kramarat on February 13, 2013, 04:27:13 PM
I'm pretty depressed right now.
Public discussion on this topic was opened on Friday, and it ends in April. By the end of 2013, CO2 will be considered to be a major pollutant, and will be regulated by the EPA. In the meantime, I'm being treated like a crazy heretic on an engineering forum.
It seems like being a rational, small government conservative, earns you nothing but enemies these days.
People really don't think that our government is capable of doing anything that will hurt them; hence, this thread title.
Sounds like you are on a liberal form when you visit the one you cited. One of their tactics is name call and put down. The sheer nastiness keeps me away from those type forums. It takes more intelligence to speak and write your opinions decently than to feel like you gain any points with all of that stuff added in. All the cussing and stuff are just window dressings for an opinion I normally don't read anyway. Don't let their ignorance bother you, if they live long enough they will remember their harshness to you.
Quote from: keyboarder on February 15, 2013, 02:25:22 AM
Sounds like you are on a liberal form when you visit the one you cited. One of their tactics is name call and put down. The sheer nastiness keeps me away from those type forums. It takes more intelligence to speak and write your opinions decently than to feel like you gain any points with all of that stuff added in. All the cussing and stuff are just window dressings for an opinion I normally don't read anyway. Don't let their ignorance bother you, if they live long enough they will remember their harshness to you.
It's not a political forum at all. I don't care about being attacked; I'm used to it. :wink:
The depressing part is, that engineers, that depend on critical thinking skills to make a living, completely throw them in the trash when it comes this government abuse. They either curl up in the fetal position and hide from it, which is most of them, or they get mad because I'm talking bad about government. It doesn't compute.
I wonder if Solar would mind if I linked the thread? Nobody has to register to read it, and it's interesting to read the leftist arguments coming from a guy that I know is really smart. Plus, it's kind of entertaining. :wink:
Quote from: kramarat on February 15, 2013, 06:31:53 AM
I wonder if Solar would mind if I linked the thread? Nobody has to register to read it, and it's interesting to read the leftist arguments coming from a guy that I know is really smart. Plus, it's kind of entertaining. :wink:
Intelligent people can have horrible opinions. I read a blog thats controversial in norway.
One thing he mentioned while debating a leftist was that people who are generally less intelligent (now we are talking relative terms, i.e normal mechanic less intelligent than a nuclear phycisist) are more prone to have been wrong, therefore are more sceptical and critical about issues because they know that just because something feels right, it doesnt mean that its the correct answer. Generally this is people who did mediocre/average in school. Then you have the more intelligent kid who understand math/physics more easy and are therefore during childhood more used to being correct when something feels correct and is less sceptical and critical about things that feel right but maybe is not. And we all know that when you are older and have more comprehensive world view that feeling based politics (i.e liberals) is wrong and that the road to hell is paved with good intentions, this something a person with more critical thinking is more liable to understand because he is used to being wrong about taking things on face value, whereas the person used to being right is more comfortable going with feeling based politics/ideology.
The best example of this is the climate change hysteria. Here you have intelligent people all following the herd, just because its feel good to be green and that it seems right on face value. That being said this is all just generalization and I'm not even sure its applicable, but it was a interesting thought imo.
Quote from: kramarat on February 15, 2013, 06:31:53 AM
I wonder if Solar would mind if I linked the thread? Nobody has to register to read it, and it's interesting to read the leftist arguments coming from a guy that I know is really smart. Plus, it's kind of entertaining. :wink:
Here's the thing about pasting links, especially leftists links, you are helping boost their credibility by us backlinking them.
Google views these as credible links and boosts the site being linked to when people search for related topics.
So if you want to boost a leftist site, just post a link.
If a lousy site posts a back link, google rates it as high as the site it was pasted on, but if we post that same link, google assigns it our credibility rating, which puts it on googles first page of search returns.
We've come along way in two short years, we now rate with all the big sites when searching credible topics on google.
Quote from: Solar on February 24, 2013, 01:29:32 PM
Here's the thing about pasting links, especially leftists links, you are helping boost their credibility by us backlinking them.
Google views these as credible links and boosts the site being linked to when people search for related topics.
So if you want to boost a leftist site, just post a link.
If a lousy site posts a back link, google rates it as high as the site it was pasted on, but if we post that same link, google assigns it our credibility rating, which puts it on googles first page of search returns.
We've come along way in two short years, we now rate with all the big sites when searching credible topics on google.
No, it's not a leftist site. It's the engineering site. Most people stayed out of the conversation, but it amazes me that people that I
know are intelligent, are completely bamboozled by the left. I won the debate, or at least I think I did. At the very least, I got people thinking, which was my whole point.
I try to get as many people as possible to take a closer look at the Obama regime and their tactics.
http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/83301#newcomments (http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/83301#newcomments)
Quote from: kramarat on February 24, 2013, 01:37:52 PM
No, it's not a leftist site. It's the engineering site. Most people stayed out of the conversation, but it amazes me that people that I know are intelligent, are completely bamboozled by the left. I won the debate, or at least I think I did. At the very least, I got people thinking, which was my whole point.
I try to get as many people as possible to take a closer look at the Obama regime and their tactics.
http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/83301#newcomments (http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/83301#newcomments)
Yeah, that one is fine, they have our links as well.
I kind of wrote this for everyone and used your post as a sounding board.
It's one reason I love original posts that no other site has, it causes other sites to link here, in turn raising our credibility.
Quote from: Solar on February 24, 2013, 02:05:49 PM
Yeah, that one is fine, they have our links as well.
I kind of wrote this for everyone and used your post as a sounding board.
It's one reason I love original posts that no other site has, it causes other sites to link here, in turn raising our credibility.
I think a lot of our lurkers come from over there........which is good. :wink:
They all know where to find me.
Quote from: Mountainshield on February 24, 2013, 01:15:27 PM
Intelligent people can have horrible opinions. I read a blog thats controversial in norway.
The best example of this is the climate change hysteria. Here you have intelligent people all following the herd, just because its feel good to be green and that it seems right on face value. That being said this is all just generalization and I'm not even sure its applicable, but it was a interesting thought imo.
I've heard some funny things about the "save the world crowd". It was in the context of liberalism, and how they don't care if it makes no sense at all, is counterintuitive, dishonest, illogical......they just want to be part of something that makes them part of "caring" or "helping". I guess that's how they don't care about the obvious BS of AGW, or everything Obama says.....like the truth is just an inconvenient impediment for feeling good about "saving the world" somehow.
It's a lot like the polls right now. Huge %'s say that virtually everything is wrong, yet Obama's popularity is strong. It's like people aren't rational enough, or can't be bothered, to connect Obama to anything real. Like he's their favorite sexy soap opera character, and they will not allow him to be connected to the disaster that he's created.
Worst part is that this has always been a liberal condition. But in the last 10 years, the GOP RINO's have rushed to compete for "saving the world" and "caring and loving", even if they have to be as full of s**t as the liberals.
Quote from: AndyJackson on February 24, 2013, 02:19:56 PM
I've heard some funny things about the "save the world crowd". It was in the context of liberalism, and how they don't care if it makes no sense at all, is counterintuitive, dishonest, illogical......they just want to be part of something that makes them part of "caring" or "helping". I guess that's how they don't care about the obvious BS of AGW, or everything Obama says.....like the truth is just an inconvenient impediment for feeling good about "saving the world" somehow.
It's a lot like the polls right now. Huge %'s say that virtually everything is wrong, yet Obama's popularity is strong. It's like people aren't rational enough, or can't be bothered, to connect Obama to anything real. Like he's their favorite sexy soap opera character, and they will not allow him to be connected to the disaster that he's created.
Worst part is that this has always been a liberal condition. But in the last 10 years, the GOP RINO's have rushed to compete for "saving the world" and "caring and loving", even if they have to be as full of s**t as the liberals.
Yeah I totally agree, I don't know if you listen to Dennis Prager, but he explains this very eloquently, I will try and formulate what he explains good. The left is all feeling based. It feels good to support Obama because he is black, that means no matter what happens, policies I support, or statements I make, as long I support a black president I'm not a racist. The democratic party cares about people and is progressive, that means that by supporting democratic party i'm a caring modern progressive person and leaves me free to pursue selfish endeavors because my conscious is free.
Ever wonder why leftists usually don't volunteer for charity? It's because they think their opinion is more valuable and contributional than actually doing charity work.
The metaphysical world is more important than the real world, theory is more important than facts, it doesn't matter that the policies Obama is pursuing doesn't work because the intentions are good. Democrats/liberals are the most racist people you will ever meet (except their national socialist comrades) yet because the rethoric sounds good then it's not racism.
Remember what the leftist said about Hermain Cain? He was not really a black man.. who else but racists and leftists would say such things?
About the GOP RINO's, its no wonder the GOP is loosing election when they believe they have to get more liberal in order win liberal votes, when only 30% of the eligable to vote population voted for Obama... The RINO's are incompetent politicians which will divide the right in the USA and keep letting the left win.
Good post. I only want to address one point. Maybe it's just me but I can never understand or wrap myself around the idea of how supporting this clown makes one not feel like a racist. I've heard that mentioned numerous times since he was elected. As much as I have pondered that, I just don't get how.
If I was a racist, I wouldn't be voting for this guy by any stretch of the imagination. If I wasn't a racist then why do I need to validate myself by voting for him?
:confused:
Quote from: Turks on February 26, 2013, 04:40:29 AM
Good post. I only want to address one point. Maybe it's just me but I can never understand or wrap myself around the idea of how supporting this clown makes one not feel like a racist. I've heard that mentioned numerous times since he was elected. As much as I have pondered that, I just don't get how.
If I was a racist, I wouldn't be voting for this guy by any stretch of the imagination. If I wasn't a racist then why do I need to validate myself by voting for him?
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It's not about Obama. It's about the collective notion that A) Whites share a collective guilt over slavery. and B) Voting for Obama will finally erase that guilt. Both are lies.
Quote from: kramarat on February 26, 2013, 05:31:18 AM
It's not about Obama. It's about the collective notion that A) Whites share a collective guilt over slavery. and B) Voting for Obama will finally erase that guilt. Both are lies.
Since my ancestors came over from Europe after slavery, I suspect I just don't feel guilty and if I did, I would be wise enough to realize that voting for a con artist like Obama wouldn't erase it.
I just can't grasp the mindset but obviously it's out there hence Dear Leader. :sad:
Quote from: Turks on February 26, 2013, 04:40:29 AM
Good post. I only want to address one point. Maybe it's just me but I can never understand or wrap myself around the idea of how supporting this clown makes one not feel like a racist. I've heard that mentioned numerous times since he was elected. As much as I have pondered that, I just don't get how.
If I was a racist, I wouldn't be voting for this guy by any stretch of the imagination. If I wasn't a racist then why do I need to validate myself by voting for him?
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It's like the lib attracted to men, but they claim they're straight fighting for civil rights.
I'm not a racist, I voted for a black guy, when in truth, they voted for his white side.
Libs can always find a way to lie to themselves.
Quote from: Solar on February 26, 2013, 05:43:08 AM
It's like the lib attracted to men, but they claim they're straight fighting for civil rights.
I'm not a racist, I voted for a black guy, when in truth, they voted for his white side.
Libs can always find a way to lie to themselves.
And the rest of us have to suffer the repercussions of those lies. As I said elsewhere I'm ready to move into Mark Levin's underground bunker and the hell with everything. :wink: I'm am literally that disillusioned with the country and what I see the future holding.
Quote from: Turks on February 26, 2013, 05:49:55 AM
And the rest of us have to suffer the repercussions of those lies. As I said elsewhere I'm ready to move into Mark Levin's underground bunker and the hell with everything. :wink: I'm am literally that disillusioned with the country and what I see the future holding.
Now you know why I live, where and like I do.
It doesn't matter what state you live in when the Fed is getting stronger and stronger, so I'll just bunker down in Ca and weather the storm best as possible.
Quote from: Solar on February 26, 2013, 06:25:41 AM
Now you know why I live, where and like I do.
It doesn't matter what state you live in when the Fed is getting stronger and stronger, so I'll just bunker down in Ca and weather the storm best as possible.
I certainly do. Hell I'm stuck in NJ but hopefully will be relocating to NC. However, not soon enough.
This whole blind, illogical, dishonest liberal thing also manifests itself in the "locusts" phenomenon.
They wreck a city or state, then decide that it sucks so much because of their efforts that they have to move somewhere that's not yet a liberal cesspool, then immediately get to work demanding and pursuing the same crap that wrecked their previous home.
All the poor states / cities surrounding CA, IL, Seattle, NYC, DET, Denver come to mind.
It can only make sense in the mind of a 14-year-old.
Quote from: Turks on February 26, 2013, 05:37:26 AM
Since my ancestors came over from Europe after slavery, I suspect I just don't feel guilty and if I did, I would be wise enough to realize that voting for a con artist like Obama wouldn't erase it.
I just can't grasp the mindset but obviously it's out there hence Dear Leader. :sad:
It's definitely not just the white guilt thing; that could be a pretty small component, actually.
In liberal circles, Obama is a king of kings. This country has never seen the likes of him. Some people find his Marxist qualities to be worthy of worship.
Quote from: kramarat on February 26, 2013, 12:53:03 PM
It's definitely not just the white guilt thing; that could be a pretty small component, actually.
In liberal circles, Obama is a king of kings. This country has never seen the likes of him. Some people find his Marxist qualities to be worthy of worship.
Bob Beckel comes quickly to mind.
I like the guys who laugh and giggle, and say "yeah, he's da man !!!!", when Obama is caught lying, cheating, and stealing.
They're proud that he's a TALENTED cheat, and that he gets away with it most of the time.
And that folks, is the end of the republic.
Quote from: AndyJackson on February 27, 2013, 10:12:35 AM
I like the guys who laugh and giggle, and say "yeah, he's da man !!!!", when Obama is caught lying, cheating, and stealing.
They're proud that he's a TALENTED cheat, and that he gets away with it most of the time.
And that folks, is the end of the republic.
^ Sadly, that's almost half the country. :thumbdown: