Watch Which Plan The Media Will "Get On Board" With

[Turks]

"Administration officials said Obama would largely endorse the senators' efforts, though immigration advocates said they expected the president's own proposals to be more liberal than the Senate group's, including a faster pathway to citizenship."


Administration officials said the president would bolster his 2011 immigration blueprint with some fresh details.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Obama/2013/01/29/id/487804#ixzz2JMqRFZfa[/url]
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[mhughes]

The article confused me a bit.  For most of it, it sounded like we could expect an alternate version from O.  But then...

Administration officials said they were encouraged to see the Senate backing the same broad principles. In part because of the fast action on Capitol Hill, Obama does not currently plan to send lawmakers formal immigration legislation.

So is he just making some suggestions on the senate version?

[supsalemgr]

It has to go through the committee headed by Partick Leahy. Watch for tweaks that will water down the qualification for citizenship and controlling the borders.

[mhughes]

What does everyone think of the general approach of the senate plan.

1. Pay a fine & taxes
2. Go through a background check
3. Get provisional status with no federal benefits
4. Apply for green card, get at the end of the line
5. Beef up border security
6. Require employers to do a status check


With #6 in place, that will deter a bulk of future illegal immigration.  Could this be a short-term pain, long term gain?

[kramarat]

What does everyone think of the general approach of the senate plan.

1. Pay a fine & taxes
2. Go through a background check
3. Get provisional status with no federal benefits
4. Apply for green card, get at the end of the line
5. Beef up border security
6. Require employers to do a status check


With #6 in place, that will deter a bulk of future illegal immigration.  Could this be a short-term pain, long term gain?

It works for me.

Something that everyone has to keep in mind, (while looking at any plan), is that rounding them all up and deporting them is impossible. It will never happen.

#3 probably covers this, but no entitlements at all, on the state or federal level. Nothing.

[Turks]

On the other hand, Obama's framework would not contain a border security measure. Administration officials told media outlets that they believe a path to citizenship needs to be straightforward, and that the trigger system could lead to a state of legal limbo for the undocumented immigrants who receive legal status, The Washington Post reported.

The border-security-first plan, however, is essential to Republican senators who signed onto the Senate "Gang of Eight" deal.

"I will not be supporting any law that does not ensure that the enforcement things happen," Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), a member of the group, told conservative blogger Ed Morrissey on his web radio show.

Obama's plan is likely to include language that would allow same-sex bi-national couples to have the same rights as heterosexual couples, BuzzFeed and The Washington Post reported. Under current law, gays and lesbians who are married to U.S. citizens under state laws cannot obtain a green card. Obama's plan would allow them a path to citizenship, but the issue is not mentioned in the Senate "Gang of Eight" proposal.

http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/Politics/obama-immigration-reform-plan-direct-path-citizenship-senate/story?id=18343584

[supsalemgr]

It works for me.

Something that everyone has to keep in mind, (while looking at any plan), is that rounding them all up and deporting them is impossible. It will never happen.

#3 probably covers this, but no entitlements at all, on the state or federal level. Nothing.
/quote]

How about learning English? I think that is in the bill proposed by the senators.

[raptor5618]

Rubio and a few other Repub's said that they would not endorse the plan unless border security was the 1st step.  I hope they mean what they say.  I heard Rubio explain the plan and it sounds reasonable to me.  If nothing happens I think all the states should fun deportation to California.  If you find an illegal you pack them onto a bus to California.

[kramarat]

It works for me.

Something that everyone has to keep in mind, (while looking at any plan), is that rounding them all up and deporting them is impossible. It will never happen.

#3 probably covers this, but no entitlements at all, on the state or federal level. Nothing.
/quote]

How about learning English? I think that is in the bill proposed by the senators.

Yes. They must learn to speak english also.

I can't really argue with Rubio's plan.

A friend of mine married a girl from Peru. While she lived and worked here, (with a green card), it took her about 7 years to gain citizenship.

[mhughes]

The english requirement is to get the green card, not to get provisional status.  I think that's already like that?

Should there be a limit on the provisional status duration?  I haven't seen that anywhere.  With the green card backlog, it'd have to be long, but maybe something that could prevent people from getting provisional status, and just keeping that forever without working forward?

Imagine someone living here for 40 years hitting 70, not being able to work, not being eligible for SS or Medicare and only having meager savings.  What to do then?

[kramarat]

The english requirement is to get the green card, not to get provisional status.  I think that's already like that?

Should there be a limit on the provisional status duration?  I haven't seen that anywhere.  With the green card backlog, it'd have to be long, but maybe something that could prevent people from getting provisional status, and just keeping that forever without working forward?

Imagine someone living here for 40 years hitting 70, not being able to work, not being eligible for SS or Medicare and only having meager savings.  What to do then?

I'd say that if they are paying taxes and paying into SS and medicare, they should be eligible to receive them when they hit retirement age.

But that's another point.......whatever they do, is going to require yet another expansion of an inept government to go to work on it.

[supsalemgr]

The english requirement is to get the green card, not to get provisional status.  I think that's already like that?

Should there be a limit on the provisional status duration?  I haven't seen that anywhere.  With the green card backlog, it'd have to be long, but maybe something that could prevent people from getting provisional status, and just keeping that forever without working forward?

Imagine someone living here for 40 years hitting 70, not being able to work, not being eligible for SS or Medicare and only having meager savings.  What to do then?

"Imagine someone living here for 40 years hitting 70, not being able to work, not being eligible for SS or Medicare and only having meager savings.  What to do then?"

That would be their personal responsibility. That possibility should have been considered when they came here.

[Solar]

The english requirement is to get the green card, not to get provisional status.  I think that's already like that?

Should there be a limit on the provisional status duration?  I haven't seen that anywhere.  With the green card backlog, it'd have to be long, but maybe something that could prevent people from getting provisional status, and just keeping that forever without working forward?

Imagine someone living here for 40 years hitting 70, not being able to work, not being eligible for SS or Medicare and only having meager savings.  What to do then?

All these laws are in place, the left simply isn't funding or enforcing it.
Hell, Husein even sued Az for following the law.

[The Stranger]

What does everyone think of the general approach of the senate plan.

1. Pay a fine & taxes
2. Go through a background check
3. Get provisional status with no federal benefits
4. Apply for green card, get at the end of the line
5. Beef up border security
6. Require employers to do a status check


With #6 in place, that will deter a bulk of future illegal immigration.  Could this be a short-term pain, long term gain?

Number 5 should be number one other wise you'll have a mad run North to the US of A. Also number 6 should be second the it's good. But if it makes aence you know they won't do it! 

[kramarat]

All these laws are in place, the left simply isn't funding or enforcing it.
Hell, Husein even sued Az for following the law.

True. Why worry about it? It won't matter what is agreed upon; Obama and the left will ignore it. We will continue with open borders and executive ordered amnesty.

Then they will go back to bitching about gun violence.