Virginia, Appealing & Appaling

Started by Hoofer, August 13, 2017, 10:39:28 AM

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Hoofer

Quote from: topside on August 15, 2017, 01:07:50 PM
Citizenship goes without saying - yes, it should be an absolute requirement. Also restricted to those who contribute - pay taxes. Well said. But the land ownership would be government manipulation and can be gamed and is a form of government control.

Let me give you three "games":

1. Financially successful companies "buy" votes by bribing the land owners to to support their cause.
2. Soros (or others) buy a sixteenth acre of cheap land for those with a bias toward his crony capitalist agenda - establishing millions of votes for his cause.
3. Groups form (like unions) that aid their members with getting jobs and buying plots of land in exchange for their undying support. 

Any combination of these is likely to happen. I didn't even start on how Marxists could find ways to punish some landowners that are against them to reduce competitive votes. Basically, when the land becomes the voter currency then it will be used as a tool to manipulate the vote.
A resident of the USA would stop some of that.   

I don't want to suggest every 1/16th of an acre = one vote.   Still one vote per citizen, whether Soros or whomever tried to game it, still just one vote per person applies nationwide.  (I hate that idea, of national databases).

When Americans stop acting with moral responsibility, and lawlessness becomes the norm, the respect for law & justice gone - nothing but anarchy is left.
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topside

What you suggest is a Conservatives dream - would love to see it. The amendment would identify as you said and clearly state that it is one person, one vote who meets the criteria. That would support writing laws that punish those who try to game. About all you can do about the games is make them illegal and seek to punish those who violate.

Unfortunately, I don't think this amendment would have a chance. It would eliminate about 60% (my guess-timate) of the current voters.  The libs heads would pop off and no Dim would support it - nothing new. It would be called racist, extremest - every damaging intonation possible ... nothing new again. The RINOs would cower - nothing new there either.

Great thought Hoofer. However, I'm guessing you don't think it would have a chance right now either. Or do you? Give me some hope!

Maybe if Solar's 2018 sweep comes to be - then we might have the votes for such an amendment.


Hoofer

Quote from: Solar on August 13, 2017, 12:36:52 PM
Good OP Hoofer.
You spurred a question under my saddle Hoof.

What if the Founders had made an exception where city size had its limits in representation?

It's just an open ended thought, good or bad, but had they seen the future of leftist destruction via huge metropolises, might they have created a different formula for our Constitution and how people are represented?

Yeah, I know States Rights, but regardless, the left found a work around for abuse.

Thoughts?

The Electoral College concept is one of those GREAT IDEAS to give the states a little better equal representation.  Where the idea came from, don't know, but it's fascinating to me.   Same with 2 houses, one from the people (house of representatives) and one from the state (senate) - tremendous system when it's left alone to operate as intended.

Wisconsin & Virginia both elect Senators based on the popular vote... which comes from the large population areas (WI has Madison & Milwaukee; Virginia has Arlington & Richmond).   Curiously, those large population areas are also where property ownership is lowest.

Just a random thought... Is Glenn Beck an idiot?

Each state only gets 2 Senators, but since the Representatives is population based, and the districts are gerrymandered by the state houses, not the Feds....  hmmm.... why not just overlay the state with a grid map, and break down the districts per land area?   I guess it'd be up to the individual state.   On the Federal level, with 2 Senators per state, isn't that what in effect is happening?
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Solar

Quote from: Hoofer on August 16, 2017, 06:14:56 AM
The Electoral College concept is one of those GREAT IDEAS to give the states a little better equal representation.  Where the idea came from, don't know, but it's fascinating to me.   Same with 2 houses, one from the people (house of representatives) and one from the state (senate) - tremendous system when it's left alone to operate as intended.

Wisconsin & Virginia both elect Senators based on the popular vote... which comes from the large population areas (WI has Madison & Milwaukee; Virginia has Arlington & Richmond).   Curiously, those large population areas are also where property ownership is lowest.

Just a random thought... Is Glenn Beck an idiot?

Each state only gets 2 Senators, but since the Representatives is population based, and the districts are gerrymandered by the state houses, not the Feds....  hmmm.... why not just overlay the state with a grid map, and break down the districts per land area?   I guess it'd be up to the individual state.   On the Federal level, with 2 Senators per state, isn't that what in effect is happening?
That's always been the way I saw it, because allowing states to set Representation via boundary lines of populated areas, has given leftists, (nonland owners) a bigger voice than deserved.
Just look at Calif, the Bay Area and La, literally trounces the voice of the majority landholders in the state, the actual taxpayers.
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Solar

Quote from: topside on August 16, 2017, 05:45:20 AM
What you suggest is a Conservatives dream - would love to see it. The amendment would identify as you said and clearly state that it is one person, one vote who meets the criteria. That would support writing laws that punish those who try to game. About all you can do about the games is make them illegal and seek to punish those who violate.

Unfortunately, I don't think this amendment would have a chance. It would eliminate about 60% (my guess-timate) of the current voters.  The libs heads would pop off and no Dim would support it - nothing new. It would be called racist, extremest - every damaging intonation possible ... nothing new again. The RINOs would cower - nothing new there either.

Great thought Hoofer. However, I'm guessing you don't think it would have a chance right now either. Or do you? Give me some hope!

Maybe if Solar's 2018 sweep comes to be - then we might have the votes for such an amendment.
It's not mine, I merely have my thumb on the pulse of the nation.
Keep in mind, McStain is just one RINO in a long list of scum about to meet their angry electorate.

Poll: McCain More Popular Among Democrats Than Republicans

According to the latest Gallup poll, Senator John McCain's (R-AZ) favorability among Democratic voters has skyrocketed since the last time the poll was conducted in 2015.

In 2015, McCain's favorability among Democrats stood at 49%. Two years later — and immediately following the Senator's vote against the Obamacare repeal, as well as his diagnosis of brain cancer — his favorability has jumped to 71%.



http://www.gallup.com/poll/215897/mccain-favorability-healthcare-vote.aspx
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Quote from: Solar on August 16, 2017, 06:21:58 AM
That's always been the way I saw it, because allowing states to set Representation via boundary lines of populated areas, has given leftists, (nonland owners) a bigger voice than deserved.
Just look at Calif, the Bay Area and La, literally trounces the voice of the majority landholders in the state, the actual taxpayers.

"Each representative district shall be within 1% of equal land mass."   - there, that's what I wanted to say.  It can be done at the state level.  Everyone still gets represented, with the state as a whole better represented.

Imagine for a second, the politicians bickering because they would have to campaign across the entire state instead of a couple of cities!
Newspapers and local TV stations would definitely benefit from the localized advertising.

This is what years of craziness leads to.


I've often wondered if some of those districts cut properties in half, maybe even a house or two - like a family we knew back in WI, when they expanded their house, it was into the next county!  "What county do you live in?   We sleep & shower in Iowa, eat, crap & watch TV in Dane county."  Because Dane Co. was shotgun-only deer hunting, they hunted exclusively in Iowa Co., where they could use anything to hunt deer.
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supsalemgr

Quote from: Solar on August 16, 2017, 06:57:54 AM
It's not mine, I merely have my thumb on the pulse of the nation.
Keep in mind, McStain is just one RINO in a long list of scum about to meet their angry electorate.

Poll: McCain More Popular Among Democrats Than Republicans

According to the latest Gallup poll, Senator John McCain's (R-AZ) favorability among Democratic voters has skyrocketed since the last time the poll was conducted in 2015.

In 2015, McCain's favorability among Democrats stood at 49%. Two years later — and immediately following the Senator's vote against the Obamacare repeal, as well as his diagnosis of brain cancer — his favorability has jumped to 71%.



http://www.gallup.com/poll/215897/mccain-favorability-healthcare-vote.aspx

Not really surprising democrats like McCain more than republicans do.
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