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Video of the "FREE SPEECH" organizers in Boston
« on: August 22, 2017, 11:57:10 AM »


The fellow speaking is a candidate for Senate in Massachusetts:

The video link ABOVE does not work. The video link BELOW does work.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/08/19/gop_senate_candidate_shiva_ayyadurais_speech_at_boston_free_speech_rally.html
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Re: Video of the "FREE SPEECH" organizers in Boston
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2017, 04:25:06 PM »
I watched for about five minutes - it was painful. The speech was weak and confused - seemed focused on an attempt to show that the Dims are racist but that this candidate is not. But it wasn't compelling for me. It seemed contrived and left the feeling that the speaker was focused on the current hot topic just to get his name out in front of people and get free media. He had his campaign stuff on the different signs. Says he called for peace and love ... and for folks to vote for him. It wasn't a show of strong leadership. I hope the GOP is still looking for a stronger candidate to topple Warren.

The free speech group seemed small - maybe 30 people from what I could gather. In the pan, the free speech group seemed to be surrounded by hoards. Why were all the others there to protest against this little free speech rally? Did the Dims spend their last nickels on counter protesters? What did they tell the protesters to get them to come out en mass? That this was a racist speech? It wasn't a compelling speech but it certainly was not racist.

It almost looked like his neighbors came with him as a favor and he handed out the signs. But when they saw all the protesters around, they were probably ready to run for the hills  - more than they bargained for.

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Re: Video of the "FREE SPEECH" organizers in Boston
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2017, 04:32:04 PM »
I watched for about five minutes - it was painful. The speech was weak and confused - seemed focused on an attempt to show that the Dims are racist but that this candidate is not. But it wasn't compelling for me. It seemed contrived and left the feeling that the speaker was focused on the current hot topic just to get his name out in front of people and get free media. He had his campaign stuff on the different signs. Says he called for peace and love ... and for folks to vote for him. It wasn't a show of strong leadership. I hope the GOP is still looking for a stronger candidate to topple Warren.

The free speech group seemed small - maybe 30 people from what I could gather. In the pan, the free speech group seemed to be surrounded by hoards. Why were all the others there to protest against this little free speech rally? Did the Dims spend their last nickels on counter protesters? What did they tell the protesters to get them to come out en mass? That this was a racist speech? It wasn't a compelling speech but it certainly was not racist.

It almost looked like his neighbors came with him as a favor and he handed out the signs. But when they saw all the protesters around, they were probably ready to run for the hills  - more than they bargained for.

The entire point is not that Shiva is a great guy. Maybe he is, but has no chance in hell of beating The Faux Cherokee http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/03/elizabeth-warrens-cherokee-problem-is-back/.

THIS GUY CAN BEAT HER: http://www.geoffdiehl.com/

No, the point is the absolutely outrageous LIE that these were White Supremacists.

The lie was orchestrated by the Democrats, especially Boston Mayor Marty Walsh. He ginned this thing up to the hilt, to look like a hero.

Even President Trump was so intimidated by THE BIG LIE that he praised the Rioters. (groan)

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Re: Video of the "FREE SPEECH" organizers in Boston
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2017, 04:55:01 PM »
The entire point is not that Shiva is a great guy. Maybe he is, but has no chance in hell of beating The Faux Cherokee http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/03/elizabeth-warrens-cherokee-problem-is-back/.

THIS GUY CAN BEAT HER: http://www.geoffdiehl.com/

No, the point is the absolutely outrageous LIE that these were White Supremacists.

The lie was orchestrated by the Democrats, especially Boston Mayor Marty Walsh. He ginned this thing up to the hilt, to look like a hero.

Even President Trump was so intimidated by THE BIG LIE that he praised the Rioters. (groan)

Sorry - I was unclear in what I posted.

I got your point and see it clearly. What I'm interested to know is how they manipulated the protesters to come out en mass. I get that they lied and said it was a racist rally.

But what was the distribution method and the specifics of the message - the hard evidence of the lie they told. Are the artifacts laying around somewhere? They sure mobilized a large force and it would be good to understand their mechanism. It's almost scary how effective it was - even in supporting a lie. It would be good to find a way to neutralize their lies in their distribution chains. I'm guessing it was via an Internet tool like Facebook and the counter message would be viewed as from a troll and censored. It might be discoverable and evidence of their lies. 

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Re: Video of the "FREE SPEECH" organizers in Boston
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2017, 06:10:40 PM »
Sorry - I was unclear in what I posted.

I got your point and see it clearly. What I'm interested to know is how they manipulated the protesters to come out en mass. I get that they lied and said it was a racist rally.

But what was the distribution method and the specifics of the message - the hard evidence of the lie they told. Are the artifacts laying around somewhere? They sure mobilized a large force and it would be good to understand their mechanism. It's almost scary how effective it was - even in supporting a lie. It would be good to find a way to neutralize their lies in their distribution chains. I'm guessing it was via an Internet tool like Facebook and the counter message would be viewed as from a troll and censored. It might be discoverable and evidence of their lies.


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Re: Video of the "FREE SPEECH" organizers in Boston
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2017, 06:42:02 PM »

FREE MONEY!!  For freeloaders.

I looked around for some call to protest the free speech rally that identified payment of participants - didn't find anything. I think you are speculating ... any proof that they were paid protesters? You might be right. It just makes the case stronger / more interesting if there is evidence. The free speech event was scheduled months earlier but the anti-racist libs just came out a couple days ago - not sure they could organize paid protesters / instigators that fast.

There are stories that cite the protesters 10:1 over the free speech participants - tens of thousands of protesters. About 30 of the protesters got violent with the police.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/08/19/counter-protesters-descend-on-boston-violence-ensues/

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Re: Video of the "FREE SPEECH" organizers in Boston
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2017, 07:06:41 PM »
I looked around for some call to protest the free speech rally that identified payment of participants - didn't find anything. I think you are speculating ... any proof that they were paid protesters? You might be right. It just makes the case stronger / more interesting if there is evidence. The free speech event was scheduled months earlier but the anti-racist libs just came out a couple days ago - not sure they could organize paid protesters / instigators that fast.

There are stories that cite the protesters 10:1 over the free speech participants - tens of thousands of protesters. About 30 of the protesters got violent with the police.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/08/19/counter-protesters-descend-on-boston-violence-ensues/


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Re: Video of the "FREE SPEECH" organizers in Boston
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2017, 07:45:13 PM »
Sorry - I was unclear in what I posted.

I got your point and see it clearly. What I'm interested to know is how they manipulated the protesters to come out en mass. I get that they lied and said it was a racist rally.

But what was the distribution method and the specifics of the message - the hard evidence of the lie they told. Are the artifacts laying around somewhere? They sure mobilized a large force and it would be good to understand their mechanism. It's almost scary how effective it was - even in supporting a lie. It would be good to find a way to neutralize their lies in their distribution chains. I'm guessing it was via an Internet tool like Facebook and the counter message would be viewed as from a troll and censored. It might be discoverable and evidence of their lies.

I agree with you on every count.

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Re: Video of the "FREE SPEECH" organizers in Boston
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2017, 09:15:56 AM »

When your bus in from all over there money involved.

Good point. I didn't think about the fact that they'd need organized transportation to get that many people together.

This is the best evidence I could find:

http://wtop.com/virginia/2017/08/the-latest-dallas-police-prepare-for-weekend-rally/

Basically says that they self-funded the protest via crowd sourcing. The site referenced is the Boston Pledge Against Hate - looks like a great place to attract money from snowflakes. They've raised over $60k - not surprising given about 30 - 40k people showe Looks like they committed fraud to me though since there was no racist event there.

I'm still not finding where they organized the people to get on the buses though. Someone had to run the logistics.

The purpose of digging is to try and see who was behind it. On the surface, it looks like a self-funded snowflake effort with no other ties. But I doubt that it's really true.

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