VA School: Promoting "diversity"- No "Jesus" in Christmas concert OR--

Started by Belenus, October 17, 2018, 10:43:17 AM

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ConservativeInCT

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on October 21, 2018, 08:48:00 PM
Having tolerance doesn't mean acceptance. Tolerance means you don't attack someone (physically nor verbally) but it doesn't mean being forced to call a tranny what they want to be called. Diversity is nothing but forcing things on the rest of people while punishing the majority.

That's exactly the point I was trying to make. I'm not saying we have to fold to the majority but understanding of other peoples cultures, religions, and viewpoints is just what I was taught as a kid.

Solar

Quote from: Ranb on October 22, 2018, 06:09:05 AM
Actually it is being able to communicate effectively in the English language.  But if English is not your first language, then I'll stop being so picky about how you use it.
Actually, it's a shared ideal regardless of where on comes from, knowing they can invest in a Conservative belief of equality.

QuoteIt is not my definition.  Unlike some people here I actually know how to look up the definition of a word in an English language dictionary.
That's it, just move the goal post, but we all know you were originally referring to the leftists version of "diversity".

QuoteDon't tell me who or what to copulate with.  Your anger is going to imbalance you and not earn you any points in a debate.  Perhaps you should think a bit before you resort to profanity instead of reason.
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You think that's anger, snowflake? I speak like this all the time. It comes from dealing with leftists like yourself being to thick headed to see the damage being done to this country by Marxists of all stripes.
Until you understand their is no such thing as "Compromising" with the left, meaning, you give up your values and ideals in appeasement, you're destined to failure.
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Ranb

Quote from: Solar on October 22, 2018, 08:53:44 AM
Actually, it's a shared ideal regardless of where on comes from, knowing they can invest in a Conservative belief of equality.
That is how you define diversity?  If so, then I disagree.

QuoteThat's it, just move the goal post, but we all know you were originally referring to the leftists version of "diversity".
I was not shifting a goalpost, I was providing a nearly universally accepted definition of the word diversity.

QuoteYou think that's anger, snowflake? I speak like this all the time. It comes from dealing with leftists like yourself being to thick headed to see the damage being done to this country by Marxists of all stripes.
Yes I think it's anger.  I not about to kiss your behind on this forum and I think that upsets you.
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Belenus

Of course a meaningful conversation cannot be had without the words used having the same meaning to all parties.

So, DIVERSITY.. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/diversity

When even "innocent until proven guilty" is not universally accepted by all parties (dems/socialists/progressives think accusation is enough for guilt), we should not be surprised some folks disagree on the meanings of lesser concepts and meanings, right?



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Sick Of Silence

Quote from: ConservativeInCT on October 22, 2018, 07:21:54 AM
That's exactly the point I was trying to make. I'm not saying we have to fold to the majority but understanding of other peoples cultures, religions, and viewpoints is just what I was taught as a kid.

American values come first. Being diverse enough to eat tacos or kebabs is an independent decision, but it doesn't mean we should have everything with Spanish on it nor want to hear that God-awful music everywhere.

If I go to one of those places that has the chicken, I understand that there might be a Spanish soccer game on or hear that music. I made that choice. If I go to Burger King, I do not want to hear that music.
With all these lawyers with cameras on the street i'm shocked we have so much crime in the world.

There is constitutional law and there is law and order. This challenge to law and order is always the start to loosing our constitutional rights.

Frauditors are a waste of life.

AndyJackson

Diversity is the magical, mythical, fabulous fake construct of the left, where every last belief, culture, color, self-delusion ..... gets perfect representation and free stuff, in society and the economy.

It's a sweet dream that is OK for a child to fixate on, but when an adult can't get over it, it's a mental illness.  It's impossible in human existence.

People prefer to be around other people like them, and tend to avoid people unlike them.  Are there outliers ? Sure, some wonderful people will create a wonderful melting pot here and there.  But the overwhelming majority of people are as I describe.

Forcing diversity onto everybody is a classic attempt by the left to "make everybody do what I want them to do", and nothing more.  Another leftist mental illness.

You can't re-program this internal programming of humans, though that is also a dumbass pre-occupation of leftists as well.

The best attempt ever made at equality or the ethereal possibility of "diversity" ................. The United States of America.  The founders created a world where anybody could do anything, own anything, become anything.

Perfect equality and diversity of opportunity, and potential.  Never to be forced on anybody, or distorted by power-hungry collectivists, who need a collective to consolidate power.

Nothing's perfect. In the beginning the US constitution, society, and govt did prescribe to archaic, barbaric beliefs about different types of people.  But we just happen to be the only country ever to beat the hell out of ourselves to make it right.  And bent over backwards to make amends.

Ranb

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on October 22, 2018, 09:54:15 AM
American values come first. Being diverse enough to eat tacos or kebabs is an independent decision, but it doesn't mean we should have everything with Spanish on it nor want to hear that God-awful music everywhere.
Everything in Spanish would be the opposite of diverse.
My gun collection has killed at least five fewer people than the Kennedy clan has with airplanes, automobiles and golf clubs.

Sick Of Silence

Everything has Spanish on it as well. You Liberals will argue that English isn't our main language even though everything is written in English and we speak it. Don't need a government declaration to indicate we are an English speaking nation. We don't care how many illegals are here. We speak English.
With all these lawyers with cameras on the street i'm shocked we have so much crime in the world.

There is constitutional law and there is law and order. This challenge to law and order is always the start to loosing our constitutional rights.

Frauditors are a waste of life.

supsalemgr

Quote from: AndyJackson on October 22, 2018, 09:57:58 AM
Diversity is the magical, mythical, fabulous fake construct of the left, where every last belief, culture, color, self-delusion ..... gets perfect representation and free stuff, in society and the economy.

It's a sweet dream that is OK for a child to fixate on, but when an adult can't get over it, it's a mental illness.  It's impossible in human existence.

People prefer to be around other people like them, and tend to avoid people unlike them.  Are there outliers ? Sure, some wonderful people will create a wonderful melting pot here and there.  But the overwhelming majority of people are as I describe.

Forcing diversity onto everybody is a classic attempt by the left to "make everybody do what I want them to do", and nothing more.  Another leftist mental illness.

You can't re-program this internal programming of humans, though that is also a dumbass pre-occupation of leftists as well.

The best attempt ever made at equality or the ethereal possibility of "diversity" ................. The United States of America.  The founders created a world where anybody could do anything, own anything, become anything.

Perfect equality and diversity of opportunity, and potential.  Never to be forced on anybody, or distorted by power-hungry collectivists, who need a collective to consolidate power.

Nothing's perfect. In the beginning the US constitution, society, and govt did prescribe to archaic, barbaric beliefs about different types of people.  But we just happen to be the only country ever to beat the hell out of ourselves to make it right.  And bent over backwards to make amends.

As I see it the left has effectively redefined the term diversity to fit their leftist agenda of divide and conquer. Our country has always had diversity. Just as an example, Americans of Italian and Irish descent cherish their backgrounds, but their purpose for originally being here was to be part of the American dream. Each group is diverse, but also included in the bigger picture of being an American. Diversity is fine as long as it is not used as a tool to divide America and that is what we are experiencing now.
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Belenus

Quote from: supsalemgr on October 22, 2018, 10:52:33 AM
As I see it the left has effectively redefined the term diversity to fit their leftist agenda of divide and conquer. Our country has always had diversity. Just as an example, Americans of Italian and Irish descent cherish their backgrounds, but their purpose for originally being here was to be part of the American dream. Each group is diverse, but also included in the bigger picture of being an American. Diversity is fine as long as it is not used as a tool to divide America and that is what we are experiencing now.

Surely 'diversity' has, like many, many other words, been rte-defined by the glib ignoramuses of the left in their race to stu;pify everyone while insisting only THEY know the real meanings, the real truths.

Remember that German sign over the entrance to one of the Death Camps- "Work shall set you free"? As if anyone set into those environs controlled by those savages was ever to be "set free". :mad:
"It's hard to predict... especially the future."

Ranb

Quote from: AndyJackson on October 22, 2018, 09:57:58 AM
It's a sweet dream that is OK for a child to fixate on, but when an adult can't get over it, it's a mental illness.  It's impossible in human existence.
This does not jive with this;
QuotePeople prefer to be around other people like them, and tend to avoid people unlike them.  Are there outliers ? Sure, some wonderful people will create a wonderful melting pot here and there.  But the overwhelming majority of people are as I describe.
My family is a mix of European, Asian and African.  I like it.

QuoteForcing diversity onto everybody is a classic attempt by the left to "make everybody do what I want them to do", and nothing more.  Another leftist mental illness.
How have you been forced to "diversify"?

QuoteYou can't re-program this internal programming of humans, though that is also a dumbass pre-occupation of leftists as well.
I think your "internal programming" idea is incorrect.

My gun collection has killed at least five fewer people than the Kennedy clan has with airplanes, automobiles and golf clubs.

Ranb

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on October 22, 2018, 10:11:33 AM
Everything has Spanish on it as well.
Not where I live.  Where do you live that everything has Spanish on it?

QuoteYou Liberals will argue that English isn't our main language even though everything is written in English and we speak it.
I have never seen that argument anywhere.  How about you show us anyone who says this.

While there is no official language in the USA, immigrants are expected to be fluent in English prior to being naturalized.  This does not apply to certain elderly immigrants or some disabled persons.
My gun collection has killed at least five fewer people than the Kennedy clan has with airplanes, automobiles and golf clubs.

Possum

Quote from: Belenus on October 22, 2018, 11:39:17 AM
Surely 'diversity' has, like many, many other words, been rte-defined by the glib ignoramuses of the left in their race to stu;pify everyone while insisting only THEY know the real meanings, the real truths.

Remember that German sign over the entrance to one of the Death Camps- "Work shall set you free"? As if anyone set into those environs controlled by those savages was ever to be "set free". :mad:
:thumbup: Where as most conservatives I know judge people and groups of people by their character rather than by
traits such as skin color, the term "diversity" seems to have taken on a new meaning which focus's on those traits.  As a small example, if I was to gather a group to discuss how to solve a city problem I would see diversity as getting people with education in different fields. Others would see diversity of the group similar to a box of crayons, everyone should be a different color, and of course now we need all 10 or 12 sexes. The dictionary seems to miss this subtle difference as how people might see diversity. Another small ex. Elizabeth claimed "Indian" blood in order to get in to harvard, that's the left version of diversity,
had she used her intellect,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,never mind.

Ranb

The last few times I was in a crowd of people arguing/discussing the merits of various subjects, it was a very diverse crowd.  While the crowd was almost all caucasian, the bkgd's and politics varied greatly.  It was about keeping a rifle range open in Kitsap County and establishing a shooting area in the Tahuya Forest. 

When I speak in committee in Olympia it is also very diverse.  Emotions poured out at times, usually from the anti-gun zealots.
My gun collection has killed at least five fewer people than the Kennedy clan has with airplanes, automobiles and golf clubs.

AndyJackson

Quote from: Ranb on October 22, 2018, 01:50:03 PM
This does not jive with this;My family is a mix of European, Asian and African.  I like it.
How have you been forced to "diversify"?
I think your "internal programming" idea is incorrect.
There's no inconsistency in the 2 things you compared, you're just making shit up.

I am forced to accept the stupidity of forced diversity every time some moron claims that I must abide by their childish ideas, and that I'm hateful for disagreeing.  Just STFU, do your own thing which I will not interfere with, and GTFO out of my thing.

I've worked at a HBCU for decades, I've been married into a Mexican-American family for ~ 30 years, and I've lived in Korea.  I'm a plain old white guy who has loved every minute of it; you have nothing to tell me.

People are born with certain proclivities, then environment continues to work on them.  It's natural for people to seek like people unconsciously.  Doesn't mean it's right or wrong, it just happens.  If someone pursues a diverse setting and eclectic people & things, that's great.  And nobody should be demonized for doing the opposite, if they do so quietly and decently.

The left these days wants to criminalize even having such thoughts or beliefs, let alone actually doing anything like it.