Quote from: tbone0106 on March 06, 2011, 04:51:55 PM
You have to be kinda careful how you say that around here, Kay....  :P :P :P

Well I am right. I am wondering why I am even working! I was figuring up my self employed taxes for the next quarter... Why am I even working? The Taxes are horrible! I have got to find some loopholes! Maybe a new PC, camera, GPS? I have to think on this!

Quote from: tbone0106 on March 06, 2011, 04:51:55 PM
Zip's just pissed because he keeps running into big hard facts. We sometimes wonder why we hear so much that's misleading or downright untrue in the MSM's reporting, but they have the same problem -- the actual truth, the facts of the matter, don't jive with what they want to see through their rose-colored RayBans.

The MSM has major problems. I remember some time ago when 20 million would watch the nightly news. Wonder why the viewers have fled? They are sick of the MSM's hidden socialist agenda. Agree?

Quote from: tbone0106 on March 06, 2011, 04:51:55 PM
Taxes? Well, on a federal level, folks with AGI's over $100,000 -- roughly the top 15% of earners -- pay around 75% of all income taxes. Nearly half of "taxpayers" -- 47% -- aren't actually taxpayers at all, because they don't pay any federal income tax; this percentage has increased dramatically since 2007, when only 38% paid no tax. Fully 40% of tax filers make a "profit" on April 15; they qualify for a payment from the IRS, which amounts to a seldom-mentioned federal welfare program.

The facts above sound accurate, based on what I have read.

You said, "we are taxed enough already..." That's what I was talking about. I'm surprised our beloved taxed hasn't jumped in on it already!  :P :P :P

Quote from: tbone0106 on March 06, 2011, 05:10:03 PM
You said, "we are taxed enough already..." That's what I was talking about. I'm surprised our beloved taxed hasn't jumped in on it already!  :P :P :P

I'm worn out on zip.  He acts like a child.

Taxed may be resting after a 'big' weekend.  :P

Quote from: taxed on March 06, 2011, 05:16:17 PM
I'm worn out on zip.  He acts like a child.

It's hard to make any headway when someone comes at you with, "I dont [sic] have to prove anything...I believe it and thats all that counts."


I had a crazy uncle out in California who tried something like that with the IRS years ago, but they didn't see things quite the way he did. Ol' Unc spent some time in the pokey over that one...

Quote from: taxed on March 06, 2011, 05:16:17 PM
I'm worn out on zip.  He acts like a child.

Zip wore you out?

or did you go to some wild Mardi Gras party this weekend?

I did and drank a Hurricane! Wow! No more Hurricanes for me!

Quote from: zip on March 05, 2011, 09:33:02 AM
[size=-1]A USA Today/Gallup survey released Wednesday indicates that 61 percent of the public would oppose a move in their state to pass a bill that would take away some of the collective bargaining rights of union government workers, with one in three saying they'd support such a move.
 

      Wow huh....


http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/23/poll-majority-oppose-stripping-govt-workers-bargaining-rights/
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I have a very hard time believing that 61% of the public even knows the what collective bargaining is.

Quote from: Josie on March 06, 2011, 05:39:10 PM
I have a very hard time believing that 61% of the public even knows the what collective bargaining is.

That's a good point...

Quote from: Josie on March 06, 2011, 05:39:10 PM
I have a very hard time believing that 61% of the public even knows the what collective bargaining is.

You might be right!
I posted earlier in this thread about the poll, and especially about the way that one question was worded -- very carefully! From my earlier post:

Quote from: tbone0106 on March 05, 2011, 02:26:17 PM
Also, the poll in general was pretty well split on the issues. The one apparently divisive question that zip is leaning on the hardest -- and the one that provided the USAToday headline (no surprise) -- is with regard to proposals to limit collective bargaining. BUT the question is worded so that it mentions Wisconsin by name, it mentions "teachers" specifically as a group that would be affected (but not others such as highway workers or DMV personnel or SEIU or AFSCME members), and it refers to collective bargaining as "rights" that the legislature is seeking to "take away."

Any time you ask a large number of Americans if they think it's okay to "take away" the "rights" of a given group of people, you're going to get a LOT of kneejerk no's. The pollsters made no attempt to explain the issue at all; e.g. no mention was made of any budget deficit or of the size of, say, the unfunded public pension obligations. The question was presented as one of a group's "rights" and whether the state should be permitted to "take" those "rights away."

@ Josie~ I totally agree with you!  ;)

I thought I said this in another thread but it was in this one....

Quote from: U_Kay on March 05, 2011, 10:45:45 AM
I seriously wonder how many people polled even knew what collective bargaining means?

Quote from: tbone0106 on March 06, 2011, 06:01:16 PM
You might be right!
I posted earlier in this thread about the poll, and especially about the way that one question was worded -- very carefully! From my earlier post:


Any time you ask a large number of Americans if they think it's okay to "take away" the "rights" of a given group of people, you're going to get a LOT of kneejerk no's. The pollsters made no attempt to explain the issue at all; e.g. no mention was made of any budget deficit or of the size of, say, the unfunded public pension obligations. The question was presented as one of a group's "rights" and whether the state should be permitted to "take" those "rights away."

You are absolutely right....

I think republicans have always had a hard time getting the message out....sometimes they give the public too much credit IMO....they need to break things down better and maybe even dumb it down a little and they definately need to talk about it more, like the dems are, even the dems that are in hiding are being interviewed more than republicans...~  I don't think that most Americans are stupid, but there is so much bs and misinformation coming from the other side, especially with the MSM helping the left every chance they get... republicans have to work twice as hard to win hearts and minds....

Quote from: U_Kay on March 06, 2011, 06:06:01 PM
@ Josie~ I totally agree with you!  ;)

I thought I said this in another thread but it was in this one....

LOL UK...I need to start reading thru the threads b4 I post, instead of just replying to the OP hehehe

Quote from: Josie on March 06, 2011, 05:39:10 PM
I have a very hard time believing that 61% of the public even knows the what collective bargaining is.

LOL  I would say now where I live now 61% don't even know what a union is.

Quote from: Josie on March 06, 2011, 06:38:32 PM
LOL UK...I need to start reading thru the threads b4 I post, instead of just replying to the OP hehehe

Josie, you know what I was thinking when I read your post? Great minds think a lot alike.  ;)