This is starting to be a habit.
http://my.xfinity.com/articles/news-world/20170821/AS--Singapore-US-Navy-Ship-Collision-ea59
McCain always finds a way to interfere.
10 Sailors Missing After USS John S. McCain Collides With Merchant Ship.
more @
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/navy-destroyer-uss-john-s-mccain-collides-merchant-ship-east-n794386
A tanker? WTF Is going on? Tankers don't just up and turn on a dime, it's why tugs are used when they near a port.
Quote from: Solar on August 20, 2017, 07:32:10 PM
A tanker? WTF Is going on? Tankers don't just up and turn on a dime, it's why tugs are used when they near a port.
That's what I was thinking. Not to mention the captain of the ship usually has to hand controls over to a local when entering a port. Someone who knows the local waters. We call them bay pilots in Baltimore.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 20, 2017, 08:17:00 PM
That's what I was thinking. Not to mention the captain of the ship usually has to hand controls over to a local when entering a port. Someone who knows the local waters. We call them bay pilots in Baltimore.
It would appear the Navy owns this one. Kind of like getting run over by a tortoise while jogging.
Or drown by rising seas caused by Gores global warming.
Quote from: Solar on August 20, 2017, 08:30:03 PM
It would appear the Navy owns this one. Kind of like getting run over by a tortoise while jogging.
Or drown by rising seas caused by Gores global warming.
Makes you wonder if someone (like say china) is running some kind of jamming tech dissabling our ships ability to see.
Quote from: Sauce on August 20, 2017, 08:40:15 PM
Makes you wonder if someone (like say china) is running some kind of jamming tech dissabling our ships ability to see.
Unless it was zero visibility fog, there's just no excuse with all the tech gear we have, from sonar, radar, eyes on deck etc.
This one doesn't look good for the Navy. I could be wrong, but a Tanker?
Quote from: Solar on August 20, 2017, 08:30:03 PM
It would appear the Navy owns this one. Kind of like getting run over by a tortoise while jogging.
Or drown by rising seas caused by Gores global warming.
LOL
"Oh my god! it's gonna run us over anytime between now and January. Evasive action!"
Quote from: Sauce on August 20, 2017, 08:40:15 PM
Makes you wonder if someone (like say china) is running some kind of jamming tech dissabling our ships ability to see.
Plausible indeed.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on August 21, 2017, 02:10:45 AM
Plausible indeed.
Yeah - makes no sense. There are too many crew on a US ship to have another "sneak" up on them by accident. Such accidents aren't common for normal ships on the ocean. They are more common on rivers where barges / tugs are undermanned and crossing on narrow passages.
Accidents are more common in more congested areas - ports. But with all the crew and precautions, collision with a US Naval ship seems unlikely.
Something seems amiss.
If China had such a weapon, why would they tip their hand to us?
Would it not be more effective to have a ship run aground on a reef, or maybe hit China's new island in the South China Sea where the embarrassing act was caught on video?
Point is, why let your enemy know you have such a weapon, knowing full well we would counter the weapon in no time and turn it against them.
No, I hate to say it, but here's something far more plausible. Those serving aboard this ship aren't what most would consider the cream of the crop, simply because no one wants to serve aboard a ship named after an American traitor, possibly a dumping ground for the under achiever of the Navy.
I would hope I'm wrong, but I know if I was in the Navy and having to serve aboard this ship, I'd do everything in my power to get the Hell off.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 20, 2017, 08:17:00 PM
That's what I was thinking. Not to mention the captain of the ship usually has to hand controls over to a local when entering a port. Someone who knows the local waters. We call them bay pilots in Baltimore.
Yes, similar to having to have a Great Lakes captain on board before entering the Great Lakes.
So...what ever happened to the investigation earlier of the container ship and the Fitzgerald?
Quote from: Ms.Independence on August 21, 2017, 07:00:55 AM
Yes, similar to having to have a Great Lakes captain on board before entering the Great Lakes.
So...what ever happened to the investigation earlier of the container ship and the Fitzgerald?
The Navy for all intents and purposes made the Captain and crew the scapegoat.
Captain relieved of command and crew reprimanded for dereliction of duty.
If you're familiar with Military protocol, this is equivalent to not dotting an I, or crossing a T, wearing a hat backwards is construed 'Out of Uniform, getting a 'sunburn' constitutes destruction of military property and carries fines and or punishment, or both.
Point being, the Navy hung it's Sailors out to dry.
Quote from: topside on August 21, 2017, 05:27:11 AM
Yeah - makes no sense. There are too many crew on a US ship to have another "sneak" up on them by accident. Such accidents aren't common for normal ships on the ocean. They are more common on rivers where barges / tugs are undermanned and crossing on narrow passages.
Accidents are more common in more congested areas - ports. But with all the crew and precautions, collision with a US Naval ship seems unlikely.
Something seems amiss.
I was a ground pounder and avoided the squids, so I don;t know much about Navy SOP...but I think they used to or still have a "live watch"....are they now depending totally on electronics or do they still have "eyes on" as they should?
Quote from: Solar on August 21, 2017, 07:53:12 AM
The Navy for all intents and purposes made the Captain and crew the scapegoat.
Captain relieved of command and crew reprimanded for dereliction of duty.
If you're familiar with Military protocol, this is equivalent to not dotting an I, or crossing a T, wearing a hat backwards is construed 'Out of Uniform, getting a 'sunburn' constitutes destruction of military property and carries fines and or punishment, or both.
Point being, the Navy hung it's Sailors out to dry.
I have absolutely no knowledge of military protocol; thanks for the info.
Quote from: Ms.Independence on August 21, 2017, 09:55:44 AM
I have absolutely no knowledge of military protocol; thanks for the info.
Yeah, Military rules are designed to be either extremely lenient or harshly abusive, all by design, so as to allow the commander in the field ability to play judge, jury or hangman if necessary.
Or, as in the case of the Fitzgerald, play politics with the enlisted and scapegoat them. The Pentagon has proven recently it does not have the best interests of those serving, in mind, rather use them as a social experiment.
Seems that this has been buried; I wonder what's happened to the investigation(s).
This is the last bit of info I could quickly find:
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/08/23/why-navy-ships-colliding-pacific-experts-weigh-in.html
Quote from: Ms.Independence on September 26, 2017, 04:40:01 PM
Seems that this has been buried; I wonder what's happened to the investigation(s).
This is the last bit of info I could quickly find:
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/08/23/why-navy-ships-colliding-pacific-experts-weigh-in.html
Yeah, I've been watching for anything about the collisions, but the Pentagon went mum on the issue.
In your article, I saw two things of notability.
QuoteThe Strait of Malacca where the McCain had just transited through en route to Singapore before colliding with a Liberian-flagged tanker Monday morning, is the most highly-trafficked strait in the world, Hendrix noted. The volume of traffic, he said, added to the complexity of moving through the narrow strait.
Would it not be prudent to have a watch change aboard every hour or so?
QuotePacFleet had its last SWO commander, Adm. Gary Roughead, from 2005-2007; the 7th Fleet saw its last SWO commander, Vice Adm. William Crowder, from 2006-2008.
Isn't this when the Marxist was purging the military of its top rank command? Or in this case, not fill the position?
Could all of this have to do with Obozo's gutting of the military?
Nothing else makes sense.
With regard to the McCain, what I would give for a legible nautical chart of the area of the collision. Everyone agrees there was a steering failure aboard the McCain, but I have not read the details of this steering failure (It makes a difference). Was dropping anchor feasible in this situation? It will all come out.
Quote from: Solar on September 26, 2017, 05:34:03 PM
Yeah, I've been watching for anything about the collisions, but the Pentagon went mum on the issue.
Silence usually indicates some sort of cover up. Perhaps we'll never know the truth.