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Re: US donates $34 million to UN plan to help Syria
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2012, 07:52:24 AM »
So by this logic, if any proportion of money sent to charities is lost or wasted, charity is altogether useless.   :rolleyes:

Another shoot and miss...............

We aren't talking about lost or wasted money. We are talking about US taxpayer money, ending up in the hands of terrorists that want to kill us. Please try to stay focused.

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Re: US donates $34 million to UN plan to help Syria
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2012, 09:18:43 AM »
We aren't talking about lost or wasted money. We are talking about US taxpayer money, ending up in the hands of terrorists that want to kill us. Please try to stay focused.

You don't understand the fact that the perpetrators of this fraud are Afghan companies, not the UN, according to your own damn sources.

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Re: US donates $34 million to UN plan to help Syria
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2012, 09:39:26 AM »
You don't understand the fact that the perpetrators of this fraud are Afghan companies, not the UN, according to your own damn sources.

Sorry. I see you're confused again. My fault. I went into two different topics. Let me clear it up for you............

1) We need to stop giving money to the UN, because they are a corrupt organization.

2) We need to stop funneling money into the mid east, because it ends up in the hands of terrorists.

How's that? :wink:

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Re: US donates $34 million to UN plan to help Syria
« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2012, 09:57:03 AM »
Sorry. I see you're confused again. My fault. I went into two different topics. Let me clear it up for you............

1) We need to stop giving money to the UN, because they are a corrupt organization.
2) We need to stop funneling money into the mid east, because it ends up in the hands of terrorists.

How's that? :wink:

As clarification: did you support the War in Iraq, and do you support the War in Afghanistan?

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Re: US donates $34 million to UN plan to help Syria
« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2012, 10:07:11 AM »
As clarification: did you support the War in Iraq, and do you support the War in Afghanistan?

No and no. Not with ground troops anyway. We should have used satellite intelligence, drones, and bomb strikes............every day. Continuing until they were crushed. The wars would have been short, and we would have broken their backs quickly. We should not become involved in "politically correct" warfare. The focus always should to be to destroy our enemies as quickly and efficiently as possible.

Both wars were voted on by republican and democrat members of congress. It was a bipartisan decision.

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Re: US donates $34 million to UN plan to help Syria
« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2012, 10:09:03 AM »
No and no. Not with ground troops anyway. We should have used satellite intelligence, drones, and bomb strikes............every day. Continuing until they were crushed. The wars would have been short, and we would have broken their backs quickly. We should not become involved in "politically correct" warfare. The focus always should to be to destroy our enemies as quickly and efficiently as possible.

Do you have any idea how much collateral damage that would have caused?

I would note that, if you have such an isolationist foreign policy stance, I don't have much to argue with you over.  I don't necessarily agree, but I don't feel motivated to contest such a position.

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Re: US donates $34 million to UN plan to help Syria
« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2012, 10:12:44 AM »
Do you have any idea how we fight Nazi Germany?  How Nazi Germany fought Russia?  We no longer have the stomach to fight wars to win.  Because of that, even more people die and suffer.  The Bible talks about Joseph (USA & Britain) fighting as a "Consuming FIRE" to our enemies.  We WERE that, and the world respected the might of the USA.  Not today.

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Re: US donates $34 million to UN plan to help Syria
« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2012, 10:14:55 AM »
Do you have any idea how we fight Nazi Germany?

One sad chapter that we ignore is how much pro-Nazi-sympathy existed in America.  FDR had to pull lots of strings just to get the Right to agree to ship aid to Britain.

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  How Nazi Germany fought Russia?

By failing epically?

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We no longer have the stomach to fight wars to win.  Because of that, even more people die and suffer.  The Bible talks about Joseph (USA & Britain) fighting as a "Consuming FIRE" to our enemies.  We WERE that, and the world respected the might of the USA.  Not today.

No, but you see, that's the problem here.  Neo cons are treating the conflicts in the Middle East as Us vs Them wars that can be won through sheer military force.  It's a primitive, and ridiculous notion that you can nation build by bombing shit.

Do you see Costa Rica being bombed by Al Qaeda?

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Re: US donates $34 million to UN plan to help Syria
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2012, 10:20:21 AM »
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It's a primitive, and ridiculous notion that you can nation build by bombing shit.

I'm not interested in nation building.  If an enemy strikes against this country or its citizens abroad, you respond quickly and with devastating strength.  You crush them so they, and other hostile nations will think long and hard about attacking the USA.  It's how you fight to win and minimize future conflicts.

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Re: US donates $34 million to UN plan to help Syria
« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2012, 10:36:06 AM »
I'm not interested in nation building.  If an enemy strikes against this country or its citizens abroad, you respond quickly and with devastating strength.  You crush them so they, and other hostile nations will think long and hard about attacking the USA.  It's how you fight to win and minimize future conflicts.

Even ignoring the ethics of causing massive civilian casualties just to show your tough you are, this strategy clearly isn't working.  Our approval rating in Pakistan has dropped to 12%.

And here's a newsflash: crazy religious terrorists don't fear us!  Do you seriously think suicide bombers will actually be deterred by military force?  They don't care if they, their families or their country get crushed.  Deterrence doesn't work when your enemy lacks self preservation.

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Re: US donates $34 million to UN plan to help Syria
« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2012, 10:43:58 AM »
Even ignoring the ethics of causing massive civilian casualties just to show your tough you are, this strategy clearly isn't working.  Our approval rating in Pakistan has dropped to 12%.

And here's a newsflash: crazy religious terrorists don't fear us!  Do you seriously think suicide bombers will actually be deterred by military force?  They don't care if they, their families or their country get crushed.  Deterrence doesn't work when your enemy lacks self preservation.
So Bush was right then...


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Re: US donates $34 million to UN plan to help Syria
« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2012, 10:45:12 AM »
So Bush was right then...

No, Bush was wrong.   :mellow:

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Re: US donates $34 million to UN plan to help Syria
« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2012, 10:46:08 AM »
No, Bush was wrong.   :mellow:
But now that Obama is in office Bush's policies are right.

Got it.


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Re: US donates $34 million to UN plan to help Syria
« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2012, 11:10:38 AM »
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And here's a newsflash: crazy religious terrorists don't fear us!  Do you seriously think suicide bombers will actually be deterred by military force?  They don't care if they, their families or their country get crushed.  Deterrence doesn't work when your enemy lacks self preservation.

So you do get it!!!

We should have located them and bombed the crap out of them. It wouldn't have taken long for the civilian population to turn their backs on Al Queda, and not allowed them to hide behind women and children. By going there, we made enemies out of ourselves.

How long do you think it would have taken for the people to figure out that every time Al Qaeda showed up, everything got blown up? Not long. They would have run out of hiding places within weeks or months, not years.

I'm sure you're aware that Obama has replaced waterboarding with drone strikes. Maybe you should write him a letter.

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Re: US donates $34 million to UN plan to help Syria
« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2012, 11:14:54 AM »
So you do get it!!!

We should have located them and bombed the crap out of them. It wouldn't have taken long for the civilian population to turn their backs on Al Queda, and not allowed them to hide behind women and children. By going there, we made enemies out of ourselves.

How long do you think it would have taken for the people to figure out that every time Al Qaeda showed up, everything got blown up? Not long. They would have run out of hiding places within weeks or months, not years.

This is disgusting.

You can't possibly be arguing that we indiscriminately kill civilians ("women and children") to flush Al Qaeda out.

If we do that, we'd be far, far worse than the same terrorists that are supposed to be the bad guys.

 

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