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kramarat

QuoteNo right is absolute.

You got that one right.

The founders came up with an almost perfect system. The only thing they didn't see coming were liberals and democrats. Our rights are being stripped on a daily basis.

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Now that we're regressing into founding fathers worship...

Quote from: kramarat on November 13, 2012, 04:32:20 PM
You got that one right.

The founders came up with an almost perfect system. The only thing they didn't see coming were liberals and democrats. Our rights are being stripped on a daily basis.

Name me one democratic position that can't be traced back to a founding father.

No, really.  Excluding highly contextual cases, you'll be hard pressed to find any.


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Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 04:03:34 PM
And I said that guns shouldn't be outlawed.  But you seem to think that the right to bear arms is absolute.  No right is absolute.  The right to free speech certainly isn't, nor is the right to peacefully assemble or worship your faith.  Not even the right to life or liberty is absolute - death penalty and incarceration? 

So why is it so terrible to enact gun laws that stop potentially dangerous people from owning firearms?

And tell me again why it is necessary to own a barret 50 caliber to stop a bank robber?   :rolleyes:
Because criminals will always have guns, regardless of stupid laws.
That's like putting a sign on your lawn stating you may not trespass and thinking you will never ever have to worry about anyone ever entering your property without your permission.

Oh, and the reason we have the 2nd is not so much personal protection, but protection against an overbearing Govt, so yes, a 50 cal is probably the best line of defense in this case.

You really need to study history more....
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Quote from: Solar on November 13, 2012, 04:59:32 PM
Because criminals will always have guns, regardless of stupid laws.

Of course.  But having strict laws and enforcing them will sure as hell make it harder for them.

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That's like putting a sign on your lawn stating you may not trespass and thinking you will never ever have to worry about anyone ever entering your property without your permission.

No, but it will decrease the frequency of said entrances, won't it?  Especially if you have have a sign stating that you can flaunt federal authority, and have a trained pitbull in the doorway.

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Oh, and the reason we have the 2nd is not so much personal protection, but protection against an overbearing Govt, so yes, a 50 cal is probably the best line of defense in this case.

You need to study up on the progression of the military.  Not only has the threat of our armed forces turning on the citizenry pretty much past; it's an all volunteer civilian program, home owners with guns can do jack and shit against a mechanized military.

Solar

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 05:03:31 PM
Of course.  But having strict laws and enforcing them will sure as hell make it harder for them.
The laws have always been in place, and it still hasn't stopped a criminal from acquiring a gun.

QuoteNo, but it will decrease the frequency of said entrances, won't it?  Especially if you have have a sign stating that you can flaunt federal authority, and have a trained pitbull in the doorway.
And like gun laws it is worthless preventing criminals from trespassing.
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You need to study up on the progression of the military.  Not only has the threat of our armed forces turning on the citizenry pretty much past; it's an all volunteer civilian program, home owners with guns can do jack and shit against a mechanized military.
Wrong!!!
Most likely the Military would side with us in a civil action and we would already be armed against the troops supporting the Govt.
See how that works? The Founders knew what they were talking about, and you don't!
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kramarat

QuoteName me one democratic position that can't be traced back to a founding father.

You're kidding right?

How about Obamacare?

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Quote from: Solar on November 13, 2012, 05:14:50 PM
The laws have always been in place, and it still hasn't stopped a criminal from acquiring a gun.

False dilemma.  Stopping and mitigating are very different.

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And like gun laws it is worthless preventing criminals from trespassing.

You seem to think that a <100% success rate equates to worthlessness.

QuoteWrong!!!
Most likely the Military would side with us in a civil action and we would already be armed against the troops supporting the Govt.

If the military sides with us, the government is screwed, whether or not the army is accompanied by some civilians with hunting rifles.

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See how that works? The Founders knew what they were talking about, and you don't!

The Founders never grew up in a time where the military has weapons orders of magnitude more destructive than anything a criminal could reasonably get his hands on, who in turn can shoot up dozens of people in the timespan of a few minutes.

You need to understand the morality of the founders you so worship.

Solar

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 05:44:23 PM
False dilemma.  Stopping and mitigating are very different.
False dilemma? Then you follow up with some nonsense in semantics?
You are a complete waste of my time, you run away from posts you can't debate and post utter nonsense in hopes no one will question you on it because it made absolutely no sense whatsoever.

You're a complete waste of bandwidth.
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Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 04:34:01 PM
Now that we're regressing into founding fathers worship...

Name me one democratic position that can't be traced back to a founding father.

Homosexual marriage.

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