US donates $34 million to UN plan to help Syria

Started by walkstall, November 10, 2012, 09:36:53 AM

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Sci Fi Fan

Quote from: kramarat on November 11, 2012, 01:12:26 PM
You got me on that one. I didn't realize he was targeting innocent civilians.

Do you wish you didn't vote for him? :cry:

TO LATE  :ttoung: :lol: :ttoung: :lol: :ttoung: :lol:

Whether or not the premise of your argument (that Obama intentionally kills civilians) is correct has no relevance to the fact that you believed this premise to be true and thereby supported such killings.

Really, your foreign policy stance is effectively that of the ancient Romans. 

kramarat

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 11, 2012, 01:14:57 PM
Whether or not the premise of your argument (that Obama intentionally kills civilians) is correct has no relevance to the fact that you believed this premise to be true and thereby supported such killings.

Really, your foreign policy stance is effectively that of the ancient Romans.

I never believed that Obama intentionally targeted civilians. In fact, I didn't know how many he was taking out until I read the links I just posted. It was a learning experience. Obama is far more hated in the middle east, than Bush was. By golly, your pimp daddy is fomenting American hatred. That sucks.

Are you calling our commander in chief a cold blooded murderer? I sure hope not. We're looking at 4 more years of these killings.

kramarat

Darn scifi. I can only imagine your disappointment. :sad:

If only our media would have vetted Mr Obama.......................maybe we would have known.

mdgiles

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 11, 2012, 12:29:28 PM
The UK, Canada, Japan, France, Poland, (yes) China.  And that's just off the drop of a hat.
The crime rate is worse in the UK and has been for rising - unlike ours which is falling for years.
Japan, Poland, and China were, and in the case of China still, are/were police states, where the citizenry were never a free people who were allowed to own weapons.
France is a case unto it self, they've gone through three monarchies, two empires, and six republics, in the period in which the US has had one stable government. I would be willing to guess that the French government is simply afraid of the people.
Different countries, different histories.
"LIBERALS: their willful ignorance is rivaled only by their catastrophic stupidity"!

Sci Fi Fan

Quote from: mdgiles on November 11, 2012, 01:52:55 PM
The crime rate is worse in the UK

Wha-?

The intentional homicide rate in the UK is 1.2 per 100,000 people, compared to 4.2 per 100,000 people.

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Japan, Poland, and China were, and in the case of China still, are/were police states, where the citizenry were never a free people who were allowed to own weapons.

Doesn't change the fact that their crime rates are lower, which was my point.

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France is a case unto it self, they've gone through three monarchies, two empires, and six republics, in the period in which the US has had one stable government. I would be willing to guess that the French government is simply afraid of the people.

But - but, France is an Evil Socialist STate!  :unsure:

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Different countries, different histories.

This would be a legitimate argument if I only cited a singular example to prove my point.  But it's clear that, as a general trend, countries with stricter gun control laws have lower homicide rates.  It's difficult for you to accept, but the numbers speak for themselves.

mdgiles

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 11, 2012, 02:01:00 PM
Wha-?

The intentional homicide rate in the UK is 1.2 per 100,000 people, compared to 4.2 per 100,000 people.
Try reading for comprehension.
QuoteThe crime rate is worse in the UK and has been for rising - unlike ours which is falling for years.
In any case the US gun murder rate is currently 2.97 per 100,000, down from 5.6 per 100,000 in 2001
in the UK the current rate is 0.03 per 100,000, but it has grow 89% in the last decade.
But you are right it is much lower than in the US. However they seen a rise in the types of crimes usually not seen in the US. For example in the US, robberies seldom happen when the owners are home. Home invasions are the exception rather than the rule. It's just the opposite in the UK, where it's illegal for the homeowner to defend themselves.
QuoteDoesn't change the fact that their crime rates are lower, which was my point.
But the US crime rate has been going down steadily for two decades, and the United Kingdom has been going up. And if you're not connecting their lower crime rate with no gun ownership, why bring it up. BTW, as it's immigrant population rises, and the society becomes more heterogeneous - as the US has been for years - the crime rate  is rising in the UK - just as it is in other countries in Europe that are starting to have large immigrant populations. Homogeneous societies, where everyone is of the same culture (Poland, Japan) tend to have lower crime rates. And why exactly do you trust China on their crime rates. Police states aren't noted for their official honesty.
QuoteBut - but, France is an Evil Socialist STate!  :unsure:
And that affects my point how exactly.
QuoteThis would be a legitimate argument if I only cited a singular example to prove my point.  But it's clear that, as a general trend, countries with stricter gun control laws have lower homicide rates.  It's difficult for you to accept, but the numbers speak for themselves.
Yeah right. Mexico has far stricter gun control laws than the US. Want to talk about their homicide rate. And How does it effect your argument if - as it was in Europe - they had lower homicide rates BEFORE they initiated strict gun control laws. IOW it wasn't the gun control laws.
"LIBERALS: their willful ignorance is rivaled only by their catastrophic stupidity"!

kramarat

QuoteThis would be a legitimate argument if I only cited a singular example to prove my point.  But it's clear that, as a general trend, countries with stricter gun control laws have lower homicide rates.  It's difficult for you to accept, but the numbers speak for themselves.

Excellent work scifi.  :thumbup:

Some countries cut the hands off of thieves. They have a lower rate of theft. Should we adopt those laws too?

You're so smart. :love:

So if we simply cede all power over to the government, we can enjoy low crime rates like in China. Brilliant my man.........just brilliant.

Darth Fife

How about we don't spend that money on Syria, but instead, use it to assist the people in the Northeastern United States who are still hurting from Superstorm Sandy?

Just a thought... :rolleyes:


walkstall

Quote from: Darth Fife on November 11, 2012, 03:50:15 PM
How about we don't spend that money on Syria, but instead, use it to assist the people in the Northeastern United States who are still hurting from Superstorm Sandy?

Just a thought... :rolleyes:

What a concept, take care of you own people first.   :popcorn:
A politician thinks of the next election. A statesman, of the next generation.- James Freeman Clarke

Always remember "Feelings Aren't Facts."

Sci Fi Fan

Quote from: mdgiles on November 11, 2012, 02:36:53 PM
Try reading for comprehension.

Try not throwing out ridiculous red herrings.

QuoteIn any case the US gun murder rate is currently 2.97 per 100,000, down from 5.6 per 100,000 in 2001
in the UK the current rate is 0.03 per 100,000, but it has grow 89% in the last decade.
But you are right it is much lower than in the US. However they seen a rise in the types of crimes usually not seen in the US. For example in the US, robberies seldom happen when the owners are home. Home invasions are the exception rather than the rule. It's just the opposite in the UK, where it's illegal for the homeowner to defend themselves.But the US crime rate has been going down steadily for two decades, and the United Kingdom has been going up. And if you're not connecting their lower crime rate with no gun ownership, why bring it up. BTW, as it's immigrant population rises, and the society becomes more heterogeneous - as the US has been for years - the crime rate  is rising in the UK - just as it is in other countries in Europe that are starting to have large immigrant populations. Homogeneous societies, where everyone is of the same culture (Poland, Japan) tend to have lower crime rates. And why exactly do you trust China on their crime rates. Police states aren't noted for their official honesty. And that affects my point how exactly. Yeah right. Mexico has far stricter gun control laws than the US. Want to talk about their homicide rate. And How does it effect your argument if - as it was in Europe - they had lower homicide rates BEFORE they initiated strict gun control laws. IOW it wasn't the gun control laws.

I'd like to see numbers of home robberies and other such crimes you cite.

You should also already know that more self inflicted wounds are caused by personally owned guns than are crimes deterred.

You should also note that singular examples (ie Mexico) hardly betray the general societal trend.

Overall, I don't understand why you deny tight gun control laws at all.  I never said we should outlaw guns.  I said we should intact stricter laws to keep them out of the hands of criminals, alcoholics, stupid people, the underaged, etc.   

kramarat

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 01:14:08 PM
Try not throwing out ridiculous red herrings.

I'd like to see numbers of home robberies and other such crimes you cite.

You should also already know that more self inflicted wounds are caused by personally owned guns than are crimes deterred.

You should also note that singular examples (ie Mexico) hardly betray the general societal trend.

Overall, I don't understand why you deny tight gun control laws at all.  I never said we should outlaw guns.  I said we should intact stricter laws to keep them out of the hands of criminals, alcoholics, stupid people, the underaged, etc.

Here's an idea: Why don't we enforce our existing laws and go after the criminals?

Wow!! We could even hand out death penalties and actually mean it.

Gee whiz, maybe we could even stop thinking about prisoner rights, and start thinking about the rights of the victims.

How about this? Instead of having prisons be workout and recreation centers, we could make it suck for the prisoners. Work from sunrise to sunset.

Hey.............we could even treat them like we treat our deployed soldiers. No air conditioning, minimal comforts of home..........

How does that sound, you petulant little boy genius?   :glare:

Yawn

QuoteI never said we should outlaw guns.  I said we should intact stricter laws

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Criminals don't obey laws. That's why they're criminals.

Sci Fi Fan

Quote from: kramarat on November 13, 2012, 02:59:35 PM
Here's an idea: Why don't we enforce our existing laws and go after the criminals?

We should do that too.  We should also make sure that those criminals can't casually buy an assault rifle off the streets.

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Wow!! We could even hand out death penalties and actually mean it.

I support the death penalty on the assumption that the legal system is at least respectable; which it is, I guess.

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Gee whiz, maybe we could even stop thinking about prisoner rights, and start thinking about the rights of the victims.

Dude, how does wanting to strip felons of weapons imply that I want to give prisoners more rights?

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How about this? Instead of having prisons be workout and recreation centers, we could make it suck for the prisoners. Work from sunrise to sunset.

You can't possibly think that prisons are "workout and recreation centers".   :rolleyes:

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Hey.............we could even treat them like we treat our deployed soldiers. No air conditioning, minimal comforts of home..........
How does that sound, you petulant little boy genius?   :glare:

I love how you happen to agree with everything that I said, and then act as though you've destroyed something in my argument.

kramarat

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 13, 2012, 03:32:47 PM
We should do that too.  We should also make sure that those criminals can't casually buy an assault rifle off the streets.

I support the death penalty on the assumption that the legal system is at least respectable; which it is, I guess.

Dude, how does wanting to strip felons of weapons imply that I want to give prisoners more rights?

You can't possibly think that prisons are "workout and recreation centers".   :rolleyes:

I love how you happen to agree with everything that I said, and then act as though you've destroyed something in my argument.

Now that "fast and furious" has exposed how filthy and corrupt our government is..........right up to the president, it wouldn't surprise me a bit to find out that our justice dept is dumping guns onto US streets, simply to keep the criminal justice system running and growing.

I'm not talking about the cops either.................they are just collateral damage in the effort to keep a bloated bureaucracy going.

Sci Fi Fan

Quote from: Yawn on November 13, 2012, 03:24:02 PM
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

And I said that guns shouldn't be outlawed.  But you seem to think that the right to bear arms is absolute.  No right is absolute.  The right to free speech certainly isn't, nor is the right to peacefully assemble or worship your faith.  Not even the right to life or liberty is absolute - death penalty and incarceration? 

So why is it so terrible to enact gun laws that stop potentially dangerous people from owning firearms?

And tell me again why it is necessary to own a barret 50 caliber to stop a bank robber?   :rolleyes: