US donates $34 million to UN plan to help Syria

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kramarat

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 11, 2012, 11:14:54 AM
This is disgusting.

You can't possibly be arguing that we indiscriminately kill civilians ("women and children") to flush Al Qaeda out.

If we do that, we'd be far, far worse than the same terrorists that are supposed to be the bad guys.

Absolutely not. We only target al qaeda. The rest of the population, (that didn't want to die), would either stay the hell away from them, or kill them themselves.

Pretty simple really.

mdgiles

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 11, 2012, 10:36:06 AM
Even ignoring the ethics of causing massive civilian casualties just to show your tough you are, this strategy clearly isn't working.  Our approval rating in Pakistan has dropped to 12%.

And here's a newsflash: crazy religious terrorists don't fear us!  Do you seriously think suicide bombers will actually be deterred by military force?  They don't care if they, their families or their country get crushed.  Deterrence doesn't work when your enemy lacks self preservation.
Explain why the United States should worry about the well being of the citizens of terrorist nations when their fellow citizens or government don't? As for crazy religious terrorists, eventually their countrymen will turn on them. When your house ends up getting bombed because "Achmed" down the street wants 72 virgins, eventually the neighborhood will either tire of "Achmed" - or be destroyed along with him. Oh and what do you think our approval rating was in Japan, round about August 7, 1945 - and why should we have cared?
"LIBERALS: their willful ignorance is rivaled only by their catastrophic stupidity"!

Sci Fi Fan

Quote from: kramarat on November 11, 2012, 11:18:49 AM
Absolutely not. We only target al qaeda. The rest of the population, (that didn't want to die), would either stay the hell away from them, or kill them themselves.

Pretty simple really.

What makes you think all of Al Qaeda's human shields are willing participants?  What makes you think everybody knows who is a member of Al Qaeda any more than we do?

You're trying desperately hard to justify slaughtering civilians, but you're failing miserably.





Quote from: mdgiles on November 11, 2012, 11:19:28 AM
Explain why the United States should worry about the well being of the citizens of terrorist nations when their fellow citizens or government don't?

That's a rather morally bankrupt position.  So if civilians are oppressed by their government and fellow citizens, they can always rely on the Beacon of Hope and Leader of the Free World for hel-oops!

QuoteAs for crazy religious terrorists, eventually their countrymen will turn on them.  When your house ends up getting bombed because "Achmed" down the street wants 72 virgins, eventually the neighborhood will either tire of "Achmed" - or be destroyed along with him. Oh and what do you think our approval rating was in Japan, round about August 7, 1945 - and why should we have cared?

So you're actually saying that we should bomb (and kill) innocent men, women and children to flush the terrorists out.

Great.  Glad to see the Right reveal its true colors.

kramarat

Quote from: mdgiles on November 11, 2012, 11:19:28 AM
Explain why the United States should worry about the well being of the citizens of terrorist nations when their fellow citizens or government don't? As for crazy religious terrorists, eventually their countrymen will turn on them. When your house ends up getting bombed because "Achmed" down the street wants 72 virgins, eventually the neighborhood will either tire of "Achmed" - or be destroyed along with him. Oh and what do you think our approval rating was in Japan, round about August 7, 1945 - and why should we have cared?

Exactly. Pakistan was hiding Bin Laden, and scifi is worried about US approval ratings. What a joke.

kramarat

QuoteWhat makes you think all of Al Qaeda's human shields are willing participants?  What makes you think everybody knows who is a member of Al Qaeda any more than we do?

You don't think much of those people, do you?

We're talking small towns and villages for the most part. You are assuming that, not only do the people not know each other, but that they are too stupid to recognize that a gang of armed strangers showing up, might be a threat.

I think they're smarter than that. You are a racist.

Sci Fi Fan

Quote from: kramarat on November 11, 2012, 11:29:20 AM
You don't think much of those people, do you?

Given that you clearly have no qualms with slaughtering them at the slightest excuse, you shouldn't be running your mouth.

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We're talking small towns and villages for the most part. You are assuming that, not only do the people not know each other, but that they are too stupid to recognize that a gang of armed strangers showing up, might be a threat.

Wait, so you admit that Al Qaeda has weapons and arnaments that would allow them to subjugate and hold villages hostage...what, are you expecting them to rise up and risk their livelihood to attack the group of heavily armed men FOR THE USA!!!!?

Do you complain that the police just blow up the building that a gunman is holding a dozen civilians hostage in?  After all, according to you, the hostages deserve to die.   :rolleyes:

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I think they're smarter than that. You are a racist.

Me?   :lol:

Here's a hypothetical:

Do you think you would support such a tactic used against a predominately white European nation?


kramarat

QuoteDo you think you would support such a tactic used against a predominately white European nation?

Absolutely!! Ask the Germans.

But there's a better way. The countries where al qaeda operates should just institute gun laws. That would stop them.

They work so well in the US, that the bad guys would just turn in their weapons. No need for war.

mdgiles

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 11, 2012, 11:23:20 AM
What makes you think all of Al Qaeda's human shields are willing participants?  What makes you think everybody knows who is a member of Al Qaeda any more than we do?
You're trying desperately hard to justify slaughtering civilians, but you're failing miserably.
Have you read a history of the Second World War recently? Obviously you haven't, since you're trying to re-argue questions that were settled seventy years ago.
QuoteThat's a rather morally bankrupt position.  So if civilians are oppressed by their government and fellow citizens, they can always rely on the Beacon of Hope and Leader of the Free World for hel-oops!
So it's up to us to save them while taking care that we harm as few of them as possible. Hmmm, here's an idea, why don't "they" take some steps on their own to free themselves of that tyranny.
QuoteSo you're actually saying that we should bomb (and kill) innocent men, women and children to flush the terrorists out.
And they're innocent because they only cheer on the terrorists, and give them monetary, and other support; as opposed to actually going on suicide bomb missions.
QuoteGreat.  Glad to see the Right reveal its true colors.
Yes, we on the right thing that war is a filthy , dirty, business, where hard choices have to be made; as opposed to the parlor game leftists believe it is.
"LIBERALS: their willful ignorance is rivaled only by their catastrophic stupidity"!

Sci Fi Fan

It looks like you just decided to skip defending your "massacre women and children to flush Al Qaeda out!" lunacy.

Quote from: kramarat on November 11, 2012, 11:40:32 AM
They work so well in the US, that the bad guys would just turn in their weapons. No need for war.

If you're going to change the subject, take into mind that nations with far stricter gun control laws than over here have far lower crime rates.

mdgiles

QuoteIf you're going to change the subject, take into mind that nations with far stricter gun control laws than over here have far lower crime rates.
And those are?
"LIBERALS: their willful ignorance is rivaled only by their catastrophic stupidity"!

Sci Fi Fan

Quote from: mdgiles on November 11, 2012, 12:24:13 PM
And those are?

The UK, Canada, Japan, France, Poland, (yes) China.  And that's just off the drop of a hat.

kramarat

QuoteIt looks like you just decided to skip defending your "massacre women and children to flush Al Qaeda out!" lunacy.

Go tell your president. It seems that your pimp daddy has developed a taste for blood. :biggrin:

I want him to keep on killing. I can't disagree with him on this one.


http://www.cjr.org/feature/covering_obamas_secret_war.php?page=all

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/25/world/asia/pakistan-us-drone-strikes/index.html

http://www.worldpolicy.org/blog/2012/06/18/collateral-damage-losing-war-al-qaida

Sci Fi Fan

Quote from: kramarat on November 11, 2012, 01:03:18 PM
Go tell your president. It seems that your pimp daddy has developed a taste for blood. :biggrin:

Oh, you think that's funny?

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I want him to keep on killing. I can't disagree with him on this one.

Wait, you just responded to a statement about killing women and children...

So you want him to continue killing innocent civilians?

Wow, you're majorly fucked up.

kramarat

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 11, 2012, 01:05:12 PM
Oh, you think that's funny?

Wait, you just responded to a statement about killing women and children...

So you want him to continue killing innocent civilians?

Wow, you're majorly fucked up.

You got me on that one. I didn't realize he was targeting innocent civilians.

Do you wish you didn't vote for him? :cry:

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