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Unfair presidential elections in Serbia
« on: March 16, 2017, 02:50:06 AM »
For those who are interested in foreign politics, I must raise some public awareness. Presidential elections in Serbia have been scheduled for April 2nd, and these are probably the most unfair elections we have had so far, for various reasons. The main candidate is the current Prime Minister Aleksandar Vučić. Why he has chosen to become the President for the next ten years, when the President has only a formal role, probably because he wants to distant himself from the responsibility for the bad political and economic situation in the country, while still pulling the strings from behind the curtains. That way, he could be placing his puppets in the position of the Prime Minister, and criticize them like everything is their fault and not his, while he himself still playing the good guy.

But some background first, who is Aleksandar Vučić? He begun his political career in the early 1990s in the Serbian Radical Party, lead by the Hague Tribunal indictee Vojislav Šešelj, and often labeled in the mass media as far right nationalist extremists. He was the Minister of Information during the NATO bombing of Serbia in 1999 in the government of Slobodan Milošević. I have joined his Serbian Radical Party from 2000 to 2005, after the collapse of the regime of the President Slobodan Milošević, because I have believed the newly established "democratic" regime was far worse. Aleksandar Vučić seemed to me as a smart, educated, honest, and perspective young politician. I have attended some political meetings and rallies with him when we were in the same room, but never met him in person, although I have made friends with some of his close friends. In one occasion, I almost got arrested by the newly established "democratic" government, when the police were chasing us on the streets during the night for pasting the posters for the Serbian Radical Party. What a disgrace that he is now in the coalition with the same "democratic" politicians that attempted to arrest me once for supporting him. What a shame for me, I feel so guilty I believed in him, I believed in his Serbian Radical Party, and allowed them to fool me and use my free ideological labour for wrong purposes. He now has his own Serbian Progressive Party, but his former Serbian Radical Party is supporting him, although playing the opposition at the same time. I have witnessed and learned they are all just liars, crooks, and traitors, interested only in money and power.

When Aleksandar Vučić begun his political career, he needed to borrow a suit because he didn't have any, while now he wears the most expensive suits and golden watches, owns apartments, houses, and private businesses. How come that, not from the salary. In 2008, he left his former Serbian Radical Party in order to form a new Serbian Progressive Party, backed by George Soros from the very beginning in order to be placed on power. His coalition won both presidential and parliamentary elections in 2012, making him the Prime Minister. Now, he is doing the completely opposite of what he had been doing in the beginning, he has suddenly turned from a far right nationalist extremist to a progressive liberal democrat. He is the first politician on power to allow the gay pride parade. He is the first one to factually recognize the independence of Kosovo. He has allowed NATO troops to move across the country freely and with no obligations. He advocates for the GMO. He has raised our national debt for 10 billion EUR, from 15 billion in 2012 to 25 billion in 2016. He is a true economic hit man. His purpose is to put us into more debts, while taking his commission fee in percents. He is also an actual gay, and an actual bastard, since his true father was an Albanian journalist, and these facts could explain why he hates his Serbian people this much, and probably hates the life itself.

Why are these presidential elections the most unfair of all so far? President Milošević was a kind of a commie dictator during the 1990s, but he controlled only few main TV and radio stations and newspapers, while there were dozens of oppositional TV and radio stations and newspapers. But now, Prime Minister Aleksandar Vučić is in personal control of everything. Can you imagine like every 10-15 minutes of every news on every television is: "Prime Minister Aleksandar Vučić did this or said that." I just can't watch the TV for months in order not to get insane. They have shortened the period for the presidential campaign to the least legally possible of one month. The period for the candidates to gather and validate the needed 10,000 signatures was only ten days. The rule for validating of the signatures was changed the day before the elections were scheduled. Before, the voters needed to validate their signatures for their chosen candidates in the courts, but now they needed to validate their signatures with private notaries who were appointed by the executive government. The number of notaries is only 162, not even one for each of 180 municipalities, and the first days they were all busy validating the signatures for the main political parties in power, while still doing their regular job as a notary for other different purposes. The oppositional and independent candidates got only 5-6 days, and having like only 2-3 hours a day with a notary, which was not enough time for most of them to organize more than 10,000 of their supporters to come and validate their signatures. Everything was set up this way intentionally in order that only the candidates allowed by the regime could enter the elections. The session of the parliament was paused during the elections period, in order that no oppositional voices could be heard. The members of the Serbian Progressive Party are being blackmailed to collect at least ten secured votes, that means to provide the proof they have persuaded at least ten other people to vote for the regime, or otherwise they will lose their jobs. And the elections will be rigged as usual, with hundred of thousands of dead people voting, and the results being changed, with no public access to ballots allowed. I know we are the land of vampires, but how come that the vampires always unanimously vote for the regime, that doesn't look legit. The most shocking thing of all is that the statesmen like Vladimir Putin and Orbán Viktor have provided official support to Aleksandar Vučić, although they are pretending of being against Soros.

Here is Aleksandar Vučić giving his official support to Hillary Clinton just before the American presidential elections, and giving 2 million EUR of other people's money to the Clinton Foundation. Aleksandar Vučić had previously appointed Tony Blair as his counselor, and now he is Bill Clinton's official bitch. We call him The Pussy-Mouth for the obvious reason.



One of the independent candidates I was considering voting for is Danielle Sremac. She was born in Belgrade, Serbia, her family moved to the United States when she was six, she has dual Serbian-American citizenship, she was the legal representative of the Bosnian Serbs in America during the 1990s, she is the founder and the president of the Serbian Institute in Washington DC, and she is a supporter of the Republican Party. She had 17,200 people who called her to give their signature, much more than the needed 10,000, but she faced obstruction from the most of the notaries, they refused to schedule meeting with her supporters to validate their signatures, or gave them just a little time, so she was forced to give up her presidential candidature. But she promised that she would bring this issue to the United States Congress, since she is also an American citizen. I hope she will keep her promise, and that this disgraceful political situation will come up to a public debate.

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Re: Unfair presidential elections in Serbia
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2017, 08:01:50 AM »
... he wants to distance himself from the responsibility for the bad political and economic situation in the country, while still pulling the strings from behind the curtains. That way, he could be placing his puppets in the position of the Prime Minister, and criticize them like everything is their fault and not his, while he himself still playing the good guy.

You just described Obama!
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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2017, 08:34:45 AM »
The most shocking thing of all is that the statesmen like Vladimir Putin and Orbán Viktor have provided official support to Aleksandar Vučić, although they are pretending of being against Soros.

That is really puzzling, since the war in Ukraine is between Putin/Russia and Soros/NATO.

http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/ukraine/

Maybe it's another of those fake conflicts, a Hegelian dialectic,
an excuse for Russia and NATO to pretend to be fighting each other,
when both are really working together to beat down Ukraine for being too independent minded.
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Re: Unfair presidential elections in Serbia
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2017, 09:01:32 AM »
You just described Obama!

Yes, I have always been trying to point out that there is a real conspiracy, and there are politicians who are being instructed to destroy their own countries for money, that is why Obama was intentionally putting America into more debts. And once the debts become unpayable, the creditors demand to take your land and your liberty instead. Greece is the best example of such an intentionally created debt disaster, and now they are literally selling their land to the creditors. The Greeks could have lived pretty well on tourism and agriculture and fish and shipbuilding industry, there was no real need for them to come into debts. But you are probably being aware of this already.

That is really puzzling, since the war in Ukraine is between Putin/Russia and Soros/NATO.

http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/ukraine/

Maybe it's another of those fake conflicts, a Hegelian dialectic,
an excuse for Russia and NATO to pretend to be fighting each other,
when both are really working together to beat down Ukraine for being too independent minded.

Yes, you are right that the Ukrainians and Ukraine are the greatest victim of both Russia and NATO, both of them doesn't care a bit for the liberty of the Ukrainian people that is for sure. Every war is being created for the war profiteers. Since the war in Ukraine begun, Ukrainians needed to spend huge amount of money for new weapons, and ammunition, and fuel, and the like. Someone is earning great money supplying them with all of these, and so why would they want to end that war then, when they can get rich on that war?

Both Putin and Orban have forbidden George Soros's NGOs in their countries as far as I know, but they don't implement the same standards for their foreign politics. For example, Russian official attitude towards the Soros's Muslim migrant crisis in Europe is that the Europeans have deserved it for exploiting Asia and Africa, which basically means that Russia supports Soros in destroying of Europe. Russia doesn't care, because the more weakened Europe is, the more they will ask for the Russian help in the future. And to be honest, I believe that America also shares similar position towards Europe - the more weakened Europe is, the more they will ask for the American help in the future.
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Re: Unfair presidential elections in Serbia
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2017, 01:08:12 PM »
Yes, I have always been trying to point out that there is a real conspiracy, and there are politicians who are being instructed to destroy their own countries for money, that is why Obama was intentionally putting America into more debts. And once the debts become unpayable, the creditors demand to take your land and your liberty instead. Greece is the best example of such an intentionally created debt disaster, and now they are literally selling their land to the creditors. The Greeks could have lived pretty well on tourism and agriculture and fish and shipbuilding industry, there was no real need for them to come into debts. But you are probably being aware of this already.

Yes, you are right that the Ukrainians and Ukraine are the greatest victim of both Russia and NATO, both of them doesn't care a bit for the liberty of the Ukrainian people that is for sure. Every war is being created for the war profiteers. Since the war in Ukraine begun, Ukrainians needed to spend huge amount of money for new weapons, and ammunition, and fuel, and the like. Someone is earning great money supplying them with all of these, and so why would they want to end that war then, when they can get rich on that war?

Both Putin and Orban have forbidden George Soros's NGOs in their countries as far as I know, but they don't implement the same standards for their foreign politics. For example, Russian official attitude towards the Soros's Muslim migrant crisis in Europe is that the Europeans have deserved it for exploiting Asia and Africa, which basically means that Russia supports Soros in destroying of Europe. Russia doesn't care, because the more weakened Europe is, the more they will ask for the Russian help in the future. And to be honest, I believe that America also shares similar position towards Europe - the more weakened Europe is, the more they will ask for the American help in the future.

Thank you for this information!  I knew that Bammy was out to destroy this country, I just didn't know exactly why ... with the information you provided, I can now connect more of the dots!
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Re: Unfair presidential elections in Serbia
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2017, 02:32:55 PM »
Thank you for this information!  I knew that Bammy was out to destroy this country, I just didn't know exactly why ... with the information you provided, I can now connect more of the dots!
He's a communist Muscum, that's all anyone needs to know. Hell, he even told the world he would fundamentally change America, and it wasn't meant for the better.
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Re: Unfair presidential elections in Serbia
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2017, 06:28:58 AM »
He's a communist Muscum, that's all anyone needs to know. Hell, he even told the world he would fundamentally change America, and it wasn't meant for the better.

Yes I get that.  What I continue to question is we had 535 members of Congress that made little attempt to stop him. Why?  Yes, I get we have a lot of liberal idiots in Congress ... but surely even they could see he was out to destroy this country and they let him.  Are they all also on Soros' payroll?  Do they honestly think their lifestyles will remain the same once this country falls?  I would think at that point, they would be pretty much useless.
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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2017, 06:37:30 AM »
Yes I get that.  What I continue to question is we had 535 members of Congress that made little attempt to stop him. Why?  Yes, I get we have a lot of liberal idiots in Congress ... but surely even they could see he was out to destroy this country and they let him.  Are they all also on Soros' payroll?  Do they honestly think their lifestyles will remain the same once this country falls?  I would think at that point, they would be pretty much useless.
That's an easy answer, the GOP is packed full of Marxists as well.
Not you perse', but for those reading this, a Marxist no longer dress in Naru jackets or dawn Che' T-shirts and caps, they wear suits and American flag lapel pins and lie to get elected to the GOP.
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Re: Unfair presidential elections in Serbia
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2017, 06:48:47 AM »
That's an easy answer, the GOP is packed full of Marxists as well.
Not you perse', but for those reading this, a Marxist no longer dress in Naru jackets or dawn Che' T-shirts and caps, they wear suits and American flag lapel pins and lie to get elected to the GOP.

Yes, I understand that and perhaps I not understanding Marxism ... but if they allow this country to fall, will they not also fall right along with her? Won't most of them become irrelevant and dispensable as their purpose in the grand scheme of things have been fulfilled?  Would they retain their status and wealth?
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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2017, 11:56:41 AM »
Yes, I understand that and perhaps I not understanding Marxism ... but if they allow this country to fall, will they not also fall right along with her? Won't most of them become irrelevant and dispensable as their purpose in the grand scheme of things have been fulfilled?  Would they retain their status and wealth?

Yes, they are on Soros' payroll.  Indirectly, but yes.

They THINK they'll keep their privileged status.
Maybe they will, maybe not.
Socialists have a history of killing their closest supporters
once they get absolute power.
They kill the ones they think are shrewd enough to try to become top dog.
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Re: Unfair presidential elections in Serbia
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2017, 01:04:09 AM »
Sorry to bother you with this again, but for the sake of public. As expected, after the alleged victory of the current Prime Minister Aleksandar Vučić in the presidential elections, young people have spontaneously gathered in Belgrade to demand repeal of the elections for being extremely undemocratic. Yes, this should have been done before the elections, but it is difficult to take people to the streets when there is no an actual event to trigger them.



You should not compare this protest to the "Trump not my president" protests, because you can't even imagine how much unfair and irregular these elections were. There was only a period of one month allowed for the campaign. There was a new law invented that only the private notaries appointed by the government were allowed to validate the signatures needed for the presidential candidature, instead of the courts as it was before. The medias were closed for the oppositional candidates, current Prime Minister got 92% of the coverage, while the rest ten candidates got only 8% altogether. There was no presidential debate. The ongoing session of the parliament was paused in order that no oppositional voices could be heard. The regime blackmailed all people employed in the public services and their families to vote for them, in order not to get fired from their jobs. The regime was literally buying voters for the sum of around 15 EUR. In rural areas, there were people placed by the regime to vote for Aleksandar Vučić on behalf of the actual voters. They were also adding thousands of ballots themselves. Thousands of dead people also voted. Etc, the list of irregularities is too large.

I am writing this basically for the purpose to say Merkel is a whore, Orban is a whore, Putin is a whore, because they provided open support to Prime Minister Aleksandar Vučić before the elections. I am just hoping that Trump will not join them and be a whore like themselves. During the 1990s, we had a classical communist dictator Slobodan Milošević, but he didn't work for George Soros, and so the whole world knew he was a dictator. But now, we have many times worse dictator Aleksandar Vučić who is working for George Soros, and now nobody cares he is a dictator. That is the fairness of the mass media. He wants us to believe that he is good both with the West and the East, but of course they just have some criminal deal with him.





What I am being afraid of is that this thug and his rigged elections will be given the support by Merkel and Putin, as the crooked organization called OSCE already said everything was ok, and that we are doomed. They will just turn the things upside down as they usually do and proclaim the protesters traitors who want to destabilize the country. Also there is a possibility that Soros will take over the control of the protests. I don't know, it seems that the only way we can change things is an uprising or a revolution. The political mafia has money, medias, rifles, tanks, we only got internet and streets.
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Re: Unfair presidential elections in Serbia
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2017, 04:54:01 AM »
Sorry to bother you with this again, but for the sake of public. As expected, after the alleged victory of the current Prime Minister Aleksandar Vučić in the presidential elections, young people have spontaneously gathered in Belgrade to demand repeal of the elections for being extremely undemocratic. Yes, this should have been done before the elections, but it is difficult to take people to the streets when there is no an actual event to trigger them.



You should not compare this protest to the "Trump not my president" protests, because you can't even imagine how much unfair and irregular these elections were. There was only a period of one month allowed for the campaign. There was a new law invented that only the private notaries appointed by the government were allowed to validate the signatures needed for the presidential candidature, instead of the courts as it was before. The medias were closed for the oppositional candidates, current Prime Minister got 92% of the coverage, while the rest ten candidates got only 8% altogether. There was no presidential debate. The ongoing session of the parliament was paused in order that no oppositional voices could be heard. The regime blackmailed all people employed in the public services and their families to vote for them, in order not to get fired from their jobs. The regime was literally buying voters for the sum of around 15 EUR. In rural areas, there were people placed by the regime to vote for Aleksandar Vučić on behalf of the actual voters. They were also adding thousands of ballots themselves. Thousands of dead people also voted. Etc, the list of irregularities is too large.

I am writing this basically for the purpose to say Merkel is a whore, Orban is a whore, Putin is a whore, because they provided open support to Prime Minister Aleksandar Vučić before the elections. I am just hoping that Trump will not join them and be a whore like themselves. During the 1990s, we had a classical communist dictator Slobodan Milošević, but he didn't work for George Soros, and so the whole world knew he was a dictator. But now, we have many times worse dictator Aleksandar Vučić who is working for George Soros, and now nobody cares he is a dictator. That is the fairness of the mass media. He wants us to believe that he is good both with the West and the East, but of course they just have some criminal deal with him.





What I am being afraid of is that this thug and his rigged elections will be given the support by Merkel and Putin, as the crooked organization called OSCE already said everything was ok, and that we are doomed. They will just turn the things upside down as they usually do and proclaim the protesters traitors who want to destabilize the country. Also there is a possibility that Soros will take over the control of the protests. I don't know, it seems that the only way we can change things is an uprising or a revolution. The political mafia has money, medias, rifles, tanks, we only got internet and streets.

Sounds like an Obama dream system.
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Re: Unfair presidential elections in Serbia
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2017, 08:05:25 PM »
What I am being afraid of is that this thug and his rigged elections will be given the support by Merkel and Putin, as the crooked organization called OSCE already said everything was ok, and that we are doomed. They will just turn the things upside down as they usually do and proclaim the protesters traitors who want to destabilize the country.

Don't forget the United Nations.
This election is about as legitimate as many of the governments that are members of the U.N.
In fact, this sort of thing seems to be the ticket for admission.
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« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2017, 11:46:37 AM »
Sounds like an Obama dream system.

They certainly have the same advisors.

Don't forget the United Nations.
This election is about as legitimate as many of the governments that are members of the U.N.
In fact, this sort of thing seems to be the ticket for admission.

Yeah, the more a politician is crooked, the more likely he/she will achieve a higher position. That is even expected in the system which is based on bribe and blackmail.

I don't know, is there any country in the world, in which you are being blackmailed to vote for the regime, and then to make a photo of your ballot and ID card as the proof, in order not to be fired from your job? Like this leaked example. And then, they claim their election victory was legal and legitimate, and Merkel and Putin congratulate them for this. And when you protest for this on the streets, they call you a traitor who wants to destabilize the country.



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Re: Unfair presidential elections in Serbia
« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2017, 05:30:19 PM »
Quote from: supsalemgr on April 04, 2017, 04:54:01 AM

Quote from: je_freedom on April 04, 2017, 08:05:25 PM

On this forum, the admins request that,
when replying to two separate posts,
you should post two separate replies.

(I've been similarly admonished. I'm just passing it on.)

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