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Trunp Speech
« on: August 22, 2017, 09:56:43 AM »
Did anybody watch it? I did not as I knew I would begetting recaps all day long today and have not been wrong.

From what I have seen and gathered is he gave a good, measured, presidential address. Republicans seem to be unified in giving the speech good marks. What surprises me is the lack of  criticism from the left. The one exception is Pelosi who gave a typical nonsensical idea that Trump should have detailed the number of troops and set a deadline for removal. That worked well for Obama, didn't it? Based on the lack of criticism from the left one would have surmise they really did see much to criticize.

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Re: Trunp Speech
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2017, 10:21:38 AM »
I'm going to pile on with you Sup. I saw some of it - the tail. I pretty much heard blah, blah, blah ... let the military do what makes sense ... blah blah blah ... hold Pakistan responsible ... blah, blah, blah, ... have others (like India) pay their share ... blah, blah ...

For me there was only one main point that could have substance. He says that he will take the cuffs off of the military in Afghanistan and let them win - take out the enemy without playing mother-may-I. So whether what he said makes any difference or not will be seen if our troops actually have and can execute a way to exterminate terrorists or if there really is no real, effective plan at the base level either.

But how do we measure whether it's making a difference? In don't know ... how about a metric on the number of "certified" terrorists killed over time to see whether the number actually increases or some other metric that is an indicator of the terrorists that the common Afghan encounters to see that density go down. Heck - have the Afghans keep the tally as they can talk to their own people and find out. I have no idea how difficult it is to identify a terrorist from a commoner in Afghanistan since they hide as the cowards they are among the normal people. I would think that the locals know but are afraid to finger them. Maybe they'll cooperate more after we are more active in taking them out.

If we start making mistakes - taking out some who we thought were terrorists and weren't - it might motivate the locals to give up more of the bad guys. I hate to think it happens, but it probably does. Maybe if the "collateral damage" becomes unsavory to the local they give up the bad guys more readily.   

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Re: Trunp Speech
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2017, 10:28:50 AM »
Did anybody watch it? I did not as I knew I would begetting recaps all day long today and have not been wrong.

From what I have seen and gathered is he gave a good, measured, presidential address. Republicans seem to be unified in giving the speech good marks. What surprises me is the lack of  criticism from the left. The one exception is Pelosi who gave a typical nonsensical idea that Trump should have detailed the number of troops and set a deadline for removal. That worked well for Obama, didn't it? Based on the lack of criticism from the left one would have surmise they really did see much to criticize.

Any thoughts?

Listened in the vehicle while caught in I-85 traffic.   I like the stuff he's saying, his delivery could use some help.   Not much on the intellectual side, but the content - what he's planning to deliver - is right-on.

One thing worth mentioning, by comparison:   Barak Obama spent most of his speeches making outlandish promises, knocking down his own 'straw men' and trying to shame his detractors into agreeing with him.   Donald Trump is simple and direct.   Few words, and you get the sense, nothing is being hidden behind those words.  Trump seems interested in being clear, roping in more supporters, rather than destroying them, like Obama was.  It is no wonder, they govern the same ways, one by Dividing, the other by Uniting.
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Re: Trunp Speech
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2017, 10:38:49 AM »
Did anybody watch it? I did not as I knew I would begetting recaps all day long today and have not been wrong.

From what I have seen and gathered is he gave a good, measured, presidential address. Republicans seem to be unified in giving the speech good marks. What surprises me is the lack of  criticism from the left. The one exception is Pelosi who gave a typical nonsensical idea that Trump should have detailed the number of troops and set a deadline for removal. That worked well for Obama, didn't it? Based on the lack of criticism from the left one would have surmise they really did see much to criticize.

Any thoughts?

I read a brief summation of the speech and some of the reactions from his own party and it really left me with one conclusion.  So far Trump has been very good and has gotten support in handling foreign affairs, military affairs and very much lacks on domestic affairs.  The exact opposite really that I expected from him.
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Re: Trunp Speech
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2017, 11:05:21 AM »
I some what listened to President Trump speech while playing a nickel and dime game of poker with a few friends. All of us couldn't listen for long because we spent most of his speech rubbing our necks trying to relax our muscles jarred loose for what name he called the United States of America.

When he called our nation a Republic not once but twice you could hear necks cracking in response to a quick head turn by six old people playing poker. When was the last time you heard a sitting president call our nation a Republic not once but twice. The rest of his speech was a blurr and in the end we were just happy he called our nation a Republic.

As far as us continuing this fight in Afghanistan he will own whatever the outcome is if he stays in. If he can't win this thing in his time left in office then he should just call our troops home and let the Special Opps people do their thing in disrupting the terrorist forces. Later for building a nation. Kill the terrorist and come home. I could be 100% wrong on my views of this Afghanistan war but I sure hope Trump doesn't try to get to Pakistan through Afghanistan like we did with Iraq. Pakistan seem to be on his agenda. He mentioned them a few times.

Whatever Trump does with this war I sure hope he lets our Military Generals fight this war  instead of congress. Also black out the press and lets do some real damage to the terrorist.
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Re: Trunp Speech
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2017, 11:52:29 AM »
I some what listened to President Trump speech while playing a nickel and dime game of poker with a few friends. All of us couldn't listen for long because we spent most of his speech rubbing our necks trying to relax our muscles jarred loose for what name he called the United States of America.

When he called our nation a Republic not once but twice you could hear necks cracking in response to a quick head turn by six old people playing poker. When was the last time you heard a sitting president call our nation a Republic not once but twice. The rest of his speech was a blurr and in the end we were just happy he called our nation a Republic.

As far as us continuing this fight in Afghanistan he will own whatever the outcome is if he stays in. If he can't win this thing in his time left in office then he should just call our troops home and let the Special Opps people do their thing in disrupting the terrorist forces. Later for building a nation. Kill the terrorist and come home. I could be 100% wrong on my views of this Afghanistan war but I sure hope Trump doesn't try to get to Pakistan through Afghanistan like we did with Iraq. Pakistan seem to be on his agenda. He mentioned them a few times.

Whatever Trump does with this war I sure hope he lets our Military Generals fight this war  instead of congress. Also black out the press and lets do some real damage to the terrorist.

"Whatever Trump does with this war I sure hope he lets our Military Generals fight this war  instead of congress. Also black out the press and lets do some real damage to the terrorist."

This has been a consistent theme of his from the get go. If he lets the military do their job I assure everyone there will plenty of terrorists killed.
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Re: Trunp Speech
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2017, 01:53:49 PM »
  I liked the part where he said we would not be nation building, we would be fighting to win. Its about time a president says that. All in all, I thought he was well spoken and shot from the hip. Maybe if he gets into a habit of addressing the nation he might give up those damn tweets. :biggrin: Very hard for the lsm to argue with anything he said.

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Re: Trunp Speech
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2017, 03:11:24 PM »
It was an ok speech but quite frankly we need to leave Afghanistan. He should  have said we killed as many terrorists as we could but and now  its time to leave.

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Re: Trunp Speech
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2017, 03:31:59 PM »
The only strategy I agree with is to blast the hell out of the Taliban in one big hurrah, tally up a big body count, declare victory and leave.

I'll wait and see what happens, hopefully US troops will be given new rules for engagement and less and less dependence  on working with the indigs who seem to shoot more US soldiers than terrorists.

Any strategy that results in more dead terrorists rather than idiotic nation building is a good one.

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Re: Trunp Speech
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2017, 03:56:52 PM »
I didn't go into any detail, because he repeated parts of what he said on the campaign trail.... nothing new, just a reminder of what he said he would do.
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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2017, 04:20:19 AM »
Some Democrats could not wait to sink their teeth in him. It wasn't two hours after the speech that House Representative Marcy Kaptur (D-OH, 9th) posted her statement of what she thought of Trump's speech.

"There can be no blank check for war anywhere. Committing more American troops without a clear path forward will not lead to the resolution of this sixteen-year war.

"Winning battles in ungovernable space does not equal victory. The war in Afghanistan and the instability across that vast, undemocratic region, that includes Pakistan with Iran next door, demands clarity of objective. I did not hear that tonight in the President's address.

"The Appropriations Subcommittee on Defense on which I serve must fulfill its Constitutional obligations in matters of war."

Okay, go back and watch the speech, then either write Congresswoman Kaptur, or call her, and tell her to get the peanut butter out of her ears. Everything was pretty clear to me, and Trump made perfect sense.

House Representative Daniel Kildee (D-MA, 5th) also complained that Trump refused to tell everyone exactly what he was going to do, so the enemies of the United States who were watching would know and be able to defeat us. Unlike previous presidents, Mr. Trump is smart enough not to tell the enemy what move he is fixing to make, and the left-leaning Democrats hate him for it. Mr. Kildee said,

“A President’s most solemn duty is to make a decision as to whether to send young Americans into harm’s way. President Trump owes service members—and the American people—clear stated goals, and a strategy to achieve them, before deploying additional service members to Afghanistan. Unfortunately, the President failed to offer a strategy with a clear objective, timeline and defined end goal. Instead, he vowed to share even less information about the number of young Americans he intends to send to Afghanistan and what exactly he aims to achieve after 16 years of war.

“Simply, the President needs to develop and articulate an actual strategy before committing more lives and resources to Afghanistan. Regardless, Afghanistan is now his war and his responsibility.

“In addition, the President's decision to share even less information on this war reaffirms that it is long past time for Congress to exercise its required responsibility under the constitution and debate and pass an updated authorization for the use of military force in Afghanistan and the other conflicts around the world where Americans are engaged in combat.”

Did you read the part that said Kildee wanted to take the Presidential power to control the troops away from him just because he didn't like what the President we elected might do?

Then, House Representative Rick Larsen (D-WA, 2nd) showed his ignorance of the way things worked by stating:

“The War in Afghanistan has been the United States’ longest running war, lasting for 16 years. It has been over a decade since the first Authorization for the Use of Military Force (AUMF) was authorized by Congress in 2001. It is Congress' responsibility to debate and authorize of use of military force. As I have called for before, it is time for Congress to have this debate again. It appears the President and his advisors have given a lot of thought to his plan, but that thought should also be debated and shared in Congress. When it comes to putting our troops in harms way and all the ramifications of that entails, it is Congress who must authorize the power. This debate must include both the extent of the use of force and what the exit strategy is.

"I would like to commend President Trump on his recognition of the sacrifices our brave men and women have made, but that is precisely why we need to make sure that we have a clear strategy. The President has laid out a plan, but did not mention an exit strategy and that needs to be debated. President Trump also pointed out that we need to address Pakistan, their involvement and our response in this conflict. I agree, but believe this needs to be a part of the congressional debate. It is time for my colleagues to unify our efforts in order to clear the safest path to return for our brave men and women home, as they deserve a thorough, debated plan with a clear strategy."

House Representative Barbara Lee (D-CA 13th) -- yep, you guessed it, she's Democrat, too -- took to whining on her web site:

“I am deeply troubled by President Trump’s failure to outline a comprehensive strategy to bring an end to our nation’s longest war. After sixteen years at war, one thing is clear: there is no military solution in Afghanistan. Any lasting peace in Afghanistan must be secured through diplomacy. Further military engagement will only put our brave servicemen and women in harm’s way while doing little to enhance our national security.

“This war has already cost our nation too much, in blood and in treasure. We have lost 2,386 brave American service members, and more than 20,000 American soldiers have been wounded. It is past time to end the war and bring all of our troops home.

“In 2001, I opposed authorization for this war because it allowed any President a blank check to wage endless war without Congressional oversight. The Constitution is clear: Congress must provide advise and consent in matters of war and peace. At a minimum, Congress should debate and vote on a new Authorization for the Use of Military Force before we commit to another surge that will keep our troops in Afghanistan for years to come and cost billions more in spending.”

True to form, she also made a call for Congress to act to take the war powers away from the President. It's like giving Donald Trump a car and telling him he can't drive it. Democrats are shameful!

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« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2017, 05:08:24 AM »
Some Democrats could not wait to sink their teeth in him. It wasn't two hours after the speech that House Representative Marcy Kaptur (D-OH, 9th) posted her statement of what she thought of Trump's speech.

"There can be no blank check for war anywhere. Committing more American troops without a clear path forward will not lead to the resolution of this sixteen-year war.

"Winning battles in ungovernable space does not equal victory. The war in Afghanistan and the instability across that vast, undemocratic region, that includes Pakistan with Iran next door, demands clarity of objective. I did not hear that tonight in the President's address.

"The Appropriations Subcommittee on Defense on which I serve must fulfill its Constitutional obligations in matters of war."

Okay, go back and watch the speech, then either write Congresswoman Kaptur, or call her, and tell her to get the peanut butter out of her ears. Everything was pretty clear to me, and Trump made perfect sense.

House Representative Daniel Kildee (D-MA, 5th) also complained that Trump refused to tell everyone exactly what he was going to do, so the enemies of the United States who were watching would know and be able to defeat us. Unlike previous presidents, Mr. Trump is smart enough not to tell the enemy what move he is fixing to make, and the left-leaning Democrats hate him for it. Mr. Kildee said,

“A President’s most solemn duty is to make a decision as to whether to send young Americans into harm’s way. President Trump owes service members—and the American people—clear stated goals, and a strategy to achieve them, before deploying additional service members to Afghanistan. Unfortunately, the President failed to offer a strategy with a clear objective, timeline and defined end goal. Instead, he vowed to share even less information about the number of young Americans he intends to send to Afghanistan and what exactly he aims to achieve after 16 years of war.

“Simply, the President needs to develop and articulate an actual strategy before committing more lives and resources to Afghanistan. Regardless, Afghanistan is now his war and his responsibility.

“In addition, the President's decision to share even less information on this war reaffirms that it is long past time for Congress to exercise its required responsibility under the constitution and debate and pass an updated authorization for the use of military force in Afghanistan and the other conflicts around the world where Americans are engaged in combat.”

Did you read the part that said Kildee wanted to take the Presidential power to control the troops away from him just because he didn't like what the President we elected might do?

Then, House Representative Rick Larsen (D-WA, 2nd) showed his ignorance of the way things worked by stating:

“The War in Afghanistan has been the United States’ longest running war, lasting for 16 years. It has been over a decade since the first Authorization for the Use of Military Force (AUMF) was authorized by Congress in 2001. It is Congress' responsibility to debate and authorize of use of military force. As I have called for before, it is time for Congress to have this debate again. It appears the President and his advisors have given a lot of thought to his plan, but that thought should also be debated and shared in Congress. When it comes to putting our troops in harms way and all the ramifications of that entails, it is Congress who must authorize the power. This debate must include both the extent of the use of force and what the exit strategy is.

"I would like to commend President Trump on his recognition of the sacrifices our brave men and women have made, but that is precisely why we need to make sure that we have a clear strategy. The President has laid out a plan, but did not mention an exit strategy and that needs to be debated. President Trump also pointed out that we need to address Pakistan, their involvement and our response in this conflict. I agree, but believe this needs to be a part of the congressional debate. It is time for my colleagues to unify our efforts in order to clear the safest path to return for our brave men and women home, as they deserve a thorough, debated plan with a clear strategy."

House Representative Barbara Lee (D-CA 13th) -- yep, you guessed it, she's Democrat, too -- took to whining on her web site:

“I am deeply troubled by President Trump’s failure to outline a comprehensive strategy to bring an end to our nation’s longest war. After sixteen years at war, one thing is clear: there is no military solution in Afghanistan. Any lasting peace in Afghanistan must be secured through diplomacy. Further military engagement will only put our brave servicemen and women in harm’s way while doing little to enhance our national security.

“This war has already cost our nation too much, in blood and in treasure. We have lost 2,386 brave American service members, and more than 20,000 American soldiers have been wounded. It is past time to end the war and bring all of our troops home.

“In 2001, I opposed authorization for this war because it allowed any President a blank check to wage endless war without Congressional oversight. The Constitution is clear: Congress must provide advise and consent in matters of war and peace. At a minimum, Congress should debate and vote on a new Authorization for the Use of Military Force before we commit to another surge that will keep our troops in Afghanistan for years to come and cost billions more in spending.”

True to form, she also made a call for Congress to act to take the war powers away from the President. It's like giving Donald Trump a car and telling him he can't drive it. Democrats are shameful!



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Re: Trunp Speech
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2017, 08:58:34 AM »
Ponderaa1 ... welcome. Your post is very well written. Nice work!

 

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