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Quote from: Mjolnir on June 04, 2020, 10:11:39 AM
Where is the forum policy posted?  I can't find it.  Is it against policy to lie or to claim that Trump said something that he did not?  And what law was violated?

Also, and I mean this sincerely, how do you define and ascertain lying?  Lying is the deliberate declamation of something one knows to be false.  It is certainly possible that someone states something that they sincerely believe to be true that is in fact false.  How do you get inside someone's head?  Is it considered lying to deliberately misrepresent something, or to present information in such a way as to draw someone to a false conclusion?  Insinuation, distortion of and selective presentation of facts can easily lead the reader to a demonstrably false conclusion.  If this is the intention, is that lying?

YES it is lying!
This forum has a standing rule to back up ones claims with a link, otherwise applying a false quote designed to deceive is a banning offense.

QuoteI see falsehoods and misrepresentations on this forum every day but I prefer to think they stem from ignorance and/or lack of critical thinking rather than from malice.

You are more than welcome to call out what you believe to be a lie, just be sure you have something to back up your claim, and opinion pieces are not considered facts.
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Quote from: Tory Potter on June 05, 2020, 10:54:14 AM
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

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Does this forum have a rule that denies a member from exercising their First Amendment rights that come from God?
Sure we do, we're not a govt agency. Read and learn why "We The people" placed those restrictions on the govt.
Get that? Those are restrictions on the Govt, not the people!!!!
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Police Handling of Elderly Buffalo Man: Fall Was 'Staged,' 'Fake Blood'
« on: Today at 06:02:15 AM »
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Did he fake it?

Police Handling of Elderly Buffalo Man: Fall Was 'Staged,' 'Fake Blood' Used, Claims Social Media

A graphic video of an elderly man being pushed by Buffalo police officers is being widely circulated on social media. The video shows the man falling to the ground and bleeding out of his ears. The viral clip has led to outrage and the suspension of the police officers involved. However, some social media users claim the video is a hoax and the elderly man in the video used fake blood.



https://www.ibtimes.sg/police-handling-elderly-buffalo-man-fall-was-staged-fake-blood-used-claims-social-media-46342
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So, it doesn't matter if the link is false and a lie, it is acceptable as long as there is a link, regardless of its veracity. If I find a link that claims Ted Cruz' father was involved in the assasination of President Kennedy, that is okay?
It would be helpful to read the rules for the site. I haven't been able to find them either.
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Police Handling of Elderly Buffalo Man: Fall Was 'Staged,' 'Fake Blood'
« on: Today at 06:02:15 AM »
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Did he fake it?

Police Handling of Elderly Buffalo Man: Fall Was 'Staged,' 'Fake Blood' Used, Claims Social Media

A graphic video of an elderly man being pushed by Buffalo police officers is being widely circulated on social media. The video shows the man falling to the ground and bleeding out of his ears. The viral clip has led to outrage and the suspension of the police officers involved. However, some social media users claim the video is a hoax and the elderly man in the video used fake blood.



https://www.ibtimes.sg/police-handling-elderly-buffalo-man-fall-was-staged-fake-blood-used-claims-social-media-46342
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So, it doesn't matter if the link is false and a lie, it is acceptable as long as there is a link, regardless of its veracity. If I find a link that claims Ted Cruz' father was involved in the assasination of President Kennedy, that is okay?
It would be helpful to read the rules for the site. I haven't been able to find them either.
I see you have reading  comprehension issues.

How did I preface the story?  "Did he fake it?" It was a question dumb ass!!!
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Clearly he did not. Anyone watching the video could see clearly he was injured. I am not sure why you would even ask the question, "Did he fake it?". Trauma suffered by anyone is not a "gottcha" moment.
The point of the post was that you said it is acceptable to lie on this forum as long as you have a link. "This forum has a standing rule to back up ones claims with a link ..." If I post the accusation that Senator Cruz father was involved in the assasination of President Kennedy, as long as I can provide a link, that is okay. I am pretty sure I can find such a link from one of his opponents in the 2016 GOP Presidential nomination race. The accusation is a lie, but it can be backed up with a link. You always bang on about the constitution and how sacred these rights from God are, unless someone like Zouave says something you disagree with. Either you believe in free expression or you don't.
It is your forum, as you have stated. If you don't like free speech, maybe you don't support the Constitution and Bill of Rights after all.
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Quote from: Tory Potter on June 05, 2020, 02:20:00 PM
Clearly he did not. Anyone watching the video could see clearly he was injured. I am not sure why you would even ask the question, "Did he fake it?". Trauma suffered by anyone is not a "gottcha" moment.
The point of the post was that you said it is acceptable to lie on this forum as long as you have a link. "This forum has a standing rule to back up ones claims with a link ..." If I post the accusation that Senator Cruz father was involved in the assasination of President Kennedy, as long as I can provide a link, that is okay. I am pretty sure I can find such a link from one of his opponents in the 2016 GOP Presidential nomination race. The accusation is a lie, but it can be backed up with a link. You always bang on about the constitution and how sacred these rights from God are, unless someone like Zouave says something you disagree with. Either you believe in free expression or you don't.
It is your forum, as you have stated. If you don't like free speech, maybe you don't support the Constitution and Bill of Rights after all.
And why should I gave a shit what a foreigner thinks about an American forum?
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Quote from: Solar on June 05, 2020, 02:22:42 PM
And why should I gave a shit what a foreigner thinks about an American forum?
Because you believe in free speech?
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Quote from: Tory Potter on June 05, 2020, 02:39:41 PM
Because you believe in free speech?
I believe in Free Speech, so maybe you should try a leftist site and see just what they think of it.
Twatter, Faceplant, google, youtube, all censoring free speech. And somehow I'm supposed to be held to a higher standard?

No where have I ever censored anyone, with the exception of conspiracy freaks, Fredcall just recently and John patriot as of toady, have been banned for posting lies and unfounded claims, and they were right wingers.
We have several libs here and they have yet to be banned. So tell me again, how am I censoring speech?
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I am glad you believe in free speech and I withdraw my reservations.
Quote from: Zouave on June 02, 2020, 06:57:40 AM
trump has often tweeted he will "Make America Great Again".
I was simply stating that he is really doing a really good job of that.
The swamp behind him seems to want anarchy and trump is doing his best
to promote that. America will be "Great Again" to a certain sector of the population when
we are isolated from the rest of the world, everyone that is not a WASP is gone or dead and
the citizens believe they are free. Someone said (maybe Lincoln) something about "fooling the people".
Quote from: Solar on June 02, 2020, 07:00:02 AM
So you lied by claiming Trump said something he did not. This is in blatant violation of the law, as well as forum policy.
You're out of here!

That appeared to me as a threat to censor Zouave
Quote from: Solar on June 01, 2020, 07:46:45 PM
Link to the actual tweet or pull it down!
If I mis-interpreted your words as a threat to censor when you did not mean them to be, I apologize.
There appears to be no forum policy, or at least nothing we can refer to. It would help to avoid misunderstandings.
A number of members of this forum were opposed to President Trump in the nomination process. Opposing the President is legitimate political discourse, even among Conservatives. He is a controversial figure. Zouave's caracature of the President's tweets is part of that political discourse.
As a foreigner, whether you give a shit about what I think is up to you. What should concern Americans is the disintegration of respect for differing views. How times have changed from the days of Senator Goldwater and President Kennedy. They had totally different views but enjoyed a close friendship. That is a lesson we should all heed or the United States will never be able to continue as the great world power it has been. China is very busy these days. Was it a Republican who said, "United we stand, divided we fall."
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Quote from: Tory Potter on June 05, 2020, 04:10:10 PM
I am glad you believe in free speech and I withdraw my reservations.
That appeared to me as a threat to censor ZouaveIf I mis-interpreted your words as a threat to censor when you did not mean them to be, I apologize.
There appears to be no forum policy, or at least nothing we can refer to. It would help to avoid misunderstandings.
A number of members of this forum were opposed to President Trump in the nomination process. Opposing the President is legitimate political discourse, even among Conservatives. He is a controversial figure. Zouave's caracature of the President's tweets is part of that political discourse.
As a foreigner, whether you give a shit about what I think is up to you. What should concern Americans is the disintegration of respect for differing views. How times have changed from the days of Senator Goldwater and President Kennedy. They had totally different views but enjoyed a close friendship. That is a lesson we should all heed or the United States will never be able to continue as the great world power it has been. China is very busy these days. Was it a Republican who said, "United we stand, divided we fall."
LOL!!! I actually forgot to ban him, thanks for reminding me.
Nope, I take that back, he is banned.
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Do you want a forum or a monologue. Without differing ideas, we will never learn anything. The belief we know everything is arrogance and folly.
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Quote from: Tory Potter on June 06, 2020, 08:22:03 AM
Do you want a forum or a monologue. Without differing ideas, we will never learn anything. The belief we know everything is arrogance and folly.
Wrong! You learn nothing if people posts lies, that's why he was booted!
And no, the left is wrong on everything, read our Founding documents, then we can debate!
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Quote from: TrumpTrain on June 06, 2020, 11:01:25 AM
Quit your crying you sniveller. When a nation of 400 million people gets curfewed with military troops coming out, to think there will not be a few bumps and scratches is just plain stupid. Grow up.
I'm sure you would know.
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