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Title: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: Solar on September 05, 2018, 12:58:58 PM
The Dim party is about to come unglued. When Trump does this, the entire world will finally see how the Marxists tried to Steal an election.

President Trump is expected to declassify the redacted 20 pages of documents from the controversial Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant that have still not been made public, which allowed the FBI to spy on short-term campaign volunteer Carter Page, numerous sources told SaraACarter.com. This comes after nearly a year of stonewalling by the Department of Justice at the demand of lawmakers, who claim that the 20 redacted pages will reveal explosive information about the FBI's handling of the Trump-Russia investigation, according to sources.

However, President Trump, who has been under pressure from some DOJ officials not to release the classified documents, "could always change his mind and it's not a guarantee that it will happen, but the indications are that it more than likely will possibly be before the end of this week," said a U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitive nature of the subject.

In July, the Justice Department released over 400 previously top-secret documents connected to the Page warrant. However, more than 20 pages of the FISA document remained highly classified and have only been viewed by a select group of Congressional members and investigators. The lawmakers are now asking that those documents be made public. Behind the scenes, the battle between Justice Department officials and senior members of Congress intensified over the past year, leading lawmakers to call on President Trump to intervene and declassify the documents.

In a 38 minute interview with the Daily Caller Tuesday, President Trump said the White House is "looking at it very seriously right now because the things that have gone on are so bad, so bad. I mean they were surveilling my campaign. If that happened on the other foot, they would've considered that treasonous. They would've considered that spying at the highest level. Can you imagine if we were doing that to Obama instead of Obama and his people doing that to us? Everybody would've been in jail for the next 500 years. OK? Can you believe it, where they paid this guy millions of dollars, it turned out? If you look at all of the things that are happening."

All these documents will expose how the FBI handled this investigation and give clarity to the public

Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee Devin Nunes (R-CA) told Fox New's Sean Hannity this month that the remaining classified documents regarding Page need to be declassified because "there is exculpatory evidence that we have seen of classified documents that need to be declassified. The judges should have been presented with this exculpatory evidence that the FBI and DOJ had."

In July, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Charles Grassley (R- IA) also requested the declassification of embattled Department of Justice official Bruce Ohr, whose wife Nellie Ohr worked in 2016 as a contractor for the research firm Fusion GPS, which was paid by the Democratic National Committee and the Hillary Clinton campaign to investigate Trump's alleged ties to Russia.

"All these documents will expose how the FBI handled this investigation and give clarity to the public," said one congressional official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "The American people deserve to know the truth and our country needs to move on."

https://saraacarter.com/president-trump-may-declassify-the-20-fisa-docs-congress-wants/
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: Billy's bayonet on September 05, 2018, 07:13:41 PM
They be looking for a hole to hide in........... :popcorn:
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: AmericanMom on September 05, 2018, 09:24:34 PM
There is no doubt in my mind, the NYT hit piece and Woodwards book is an orchestrated attempt to divert attention from the drop of these 20 pages.

I wondered about it the other day when the book came out..  Reinforced today by the NYT oped
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: AndyJackson on September 06, 2018, 06:48:51 AM
It will be an awesome day when Trump drops these documents, and THEN has the NYT staff involved in the "story" arrested for espionage, collusion, RICO, and treason.

No bail, no nothin', until they ID the leakers and traitorous scum that have admitted to illegally stealing official documents and altering official procedures.  Do the Mueller special treatments like solitary confinement, raid his house, shuffle his wife and kids around some.  Tell his wife she's going to prison too.  Classic Mueller / Weissman.

Make it into theater that resembles the Rosenberg, Pollard, cases.
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: Billy's bayonet on September 06, 2018, 09:55:47 AM
Quote from: AndyJackson on September 06, 2018, 06:48:51 AM
ID the leakers and traitorous scum that have admitted to illegally stealing official documents and altering official procedures.

I don't know if you are referring to the "report" that some one stole papers off of Trumps desk in an effort to monkey wrench the Trade deals but it is highly unlikely.

As I have stated before the WH and its grounds have more surveillance systems and recording devices than ten of Trumos Casino's put together.  ANyone "stealing papers" off of Trumps desk wouldn't be able to walk out the door before USSS agents would have them proned out on the carpet over the Crocheted State Seal.

Now this may have happened and the person arrested, fired or what have you but they would have already been found out before being able to "pass off" said documents to and News Agency.  And that would be a serious National Security violation
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: AndyJackson on September 06, 2018, 02:07:13 PM
The way I read the story is that somebody's saying they're screwing around with paperwork and processes to stop Trump from getting anywhere on various issues or efforts that "the resistance" cares about.  Maybe they're stealing paperwork, or maybe they're moving it and putting it where it won't be found for quite a while.

Of course there's no crime in anonymously spilling your guts to a reporter.  Makes you a little bitch, but that's about all.  It's what's been admitted to - subverting a President and official American govt / security operations.

Then again, this thing could be many things -

-Somebody real, likes Trump and a lot of his efforts, just not a few things.

-Trump hater / resistance, lying about liking some things by Trump.

-Somebody trying to get back in the RINO / Left's graces after being a Trump supporter.

-Doesn't exist, never happened, pure NYT bullshit.

-Doesn't exist, Woodward is the fake leaker, to pump up his book.

So there is that, lol.
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: AndyJackson on September 06, 2018, 02:14:17 PM
I just want the damned clean FISA documents out, this week.

This NYT thing and Woodward's book are most likely attempts to take people's attention away from that.

Drop enough mind-blowing stuff to just blow the bastards out.  This is what Trump needs to be shooting for now.  Enough Sun Tzu and 4D chess. Time to go all Mad Dog Mattis.
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: Rotwang on September 06, 2018, 02:15:42 PM
Quote from: AndyJackson on September 06, 2018, 02:14:17 PM
I just want the damned clean FISA documents out, this week.

This NYT thing and Woodward's book are most likely attempts to take people's attention away from that.

Drop enough mind-blowing stuff to just blow the bastards out.  This is what Trump needs to be shooting for now.  Enough Sun Tzu and 4D chess. Time to go all Mad Dog Mattis.

(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthesource.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F09%2F10-things-we-want-from-colin-kaepernick-nike-just-do-it.jpg&hash=b07b2ba5bd9f23db379cf7ec2de06060be952bc4)
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: Cryptic Bert on September 06, 2018, 09:04:00 PM
This is slowly getting picked up by the media. Could be explosive and derail Mueller.
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: Solar on September 06, 2018, 09:06:47 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on September 06, 2018, 09:04:00 PM
This is slowly getting picked up by the media. Could be explosive and derail Mueller.
It would explain the Woodward flood of the media. They're shittn bricks.
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: Cryptic Bert on September 06, 2018, 09:13:54 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on September 06, 2018, 09:04:00 PM
This is slowly getting picked up by the media. Could be explosive and derail Mueller.

That and this expertly timed NYT piece.
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: AndyJackson on September 07, 2018, 07:37:38 AM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on September 06, 2018, 09:13:54 PM
That and this expertly timed NYT piece.
I strongly believe that both things are done together, and there is no NYT leaker, only a pretend person to correlate to Woodward's pretend person(s) in his book.

This is the kind of crap that should have reporters and so-called journalists going to jail, and outlets - papers - stations being sanctioned by SEC / FCC / FEC.  Sanctioned as in shut down and owners / CEO's going to jail also.

It's no-shit RICO, fraud, collusion, sedition, and so on.  I can only imagine that these people are doubling and quintupling down on earlier crimes from the last 10 years, just like the Obama - Clinton - FBI crew is.  Last Ditch Hail Mary in the final minute before it all crashes.

Trump and countless others should also layer on endless civil suits for libel, slander, defamation, etc. when the criminal cases get rolling.  Make sure that the big-money players in this mess end up penniless and out of the game forever.

I sure hope this long-ass lead-up to everything has set all of this up.
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: SueAnn on September 07, 2018, 08:17:46 PM
I was astounded to learn on Qresearch that Woodward was CIA the whole time Watergate was going down.  For all we know, he still is.

Watergate was a soft coup to get Nixon out of office.
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: AndyJackson on September 08, 2018, 10:27:21 AM
Quote from: SueAnn on September 07, 2018, 08:17:46 PM
I was astounded to learn on Qresearch that Woodward was CIA the whole time Watergate was going down.  For all we know, he still is.

Watergate was a soft coup to get Nixon out of office.

Wouldn't be surprising.

They have a bad habit of getting rid of presidents they don't like, or won't profit from. Or trying like hell.

Kennedy, Nixon, Reagan, Trump. Lincoln in an earlier time, earlier version of things.

Hopefully Trump is the first one they don't beat. Or shoot / frame.
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: AndyJackson on September 08, 2018, 10:39:43 AM
As an aside, maybe Trump can lay bare the crimes against JFK, Nixon, Reagan, Trump.  Would be nice.

Hopefully that's what he's doing.  Otherwise, why keep flapping yaps about it ?
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: Solar on September 08, 2018, 11:12:44 AM
Quote from: AndyJackson on September 08, 2018, 10:39:43 AM
As an aside, maybe Trump can lay bare the crimes against JFK, Nixon, Reagan, Trump.  Would be nice.

Hopefully that's what he's doing.  Otherwise, why keep flapping yaps about it ?
Jeez,,, does nothing fuckin please you?
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: AndyJackson on September 08, 2018, 12:48:47 PM
Quote from: Solar on September 08, 2018, 11:12:44 AM
Jeez,,, does nothing fuckin please you?
Failure to go does not please me.

Not sure how it does you.  But to each their own.

Before you begin pontificating, I'm happy with virtually everything Trump's doing besides the dem / FBI crimes.  So don't start telling tall tales about that again.
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: T Hunt on September 08, 2018, 01:46:36 PM
Quote from: AndyJackson on September 08, 2018, 10:27:21 AM
Wouldn't be surprising.

They have a bad habit of getting rid of presidents they don't like, or won't profit from. Or trying like hell.

Kennedy, Nixon, Reagan, Trump. Lincoln in an earlier time, earlier version of things.

Hopefully Trump is the first one they don't beat. Or shoot / frame.

Others have warred against the media but He is the first to wage war on the deep state.
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: Billy's bayonet on September 08, 2018, 01:52:14 PM
Quote from: AndyJackson on September 07, 2018, 07:37:38 AM
I strongly believe that both things are done together, and there is no NYT leaker, only a pretend person to correlate to Woodward's pretend person(s) in his book.




Thats a fairly good surmise, I thinkmaybe that Loopy C U Next Tuesday Omarosa might be the "Source" here, she was going around taping people surrepititiously (which is illegal) and She had a motive, getting her boney ass fired.  She might have contacted both Woodward and the NYT OR have been working for Woodward all along.
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: AndyJackson on September 08, 2018, 03:22:20 PM
Quote from: T Hunt on September 08, 2018, 01:46:36 PM
Others have warred against the media but He is the first to wage war on the deep state.
I think JFK talked about it a couple of days before he was shot.
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: T Hunt on September 08, 2018, 04:56:41 PM
Quote from: AndyJackson on September 08, 2018, 03:22:20 PM
I think JFK talked about it a couple of days before he was shot.

Oh ya, thats right. I was stunned when i saw that quote of his and the date.
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: AndyJackson on September 09, 2018, 03:48:29 PM
Quote from: T Hunt on September 08, 2018, 04:56:41 PM
Oh ya, thats right. I was stunned when i saw that quote of his and the date.
I'd like to think that the deep state actors today are a little too weak to kill the prez.  Comey, Brennan, Clapper, McCabe, Strzok, like to run their mouths and prance around as the little princes of the whole mess,  but they don't seem to be the murderous lunatics of the 50's and 60's.

Those guys cut their teeth on WW2, where they apparently ran all over the globe killing people everywhere.  Today's guys don't seem quite as nasty.  Hopefully.
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: Solar on September 09, 2018, 04:19:14 PM
Quote from: AndyJackson on September 08, 2018, 12:48:47 PM
Failure to go does not please me.

Not sure how it does you.  But to each their own.

Before you begin pontificating, I'm happy with virtually everything Trump's doing besides the dem / FBI crimes.  So don't start telling tall tales about that again.
Virtually? So one can surmise there must be something, so what is it?
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: walkstall on September 09, 2018, 04:19:51 PM
Quote from: AndyJackson on September 09, 2018, 03:48:29 PM
I'd like to think that the deep state actors today are a little too weak to kill the prez.  Comey, Brennan, Clapper, McCabe, Strzok, like to run their mouths and prance around as the little princes of the whole mess,  but they don't seem to be the murderous lunatics of the 50's and 60's.

Those guys cut their teeth on WW2, where they apparently ran all over the globe killing people everywhere.  Today's guys don't seem quite as nasty. Hopefully.


For not being nasty there are a lot of people committing suicide with a bullet in the back of the head.  Along with killed driving drunk, and they don't drink. 
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: AndyJackson on September 09, 2018, 08:47:10 PM
Quote from: walkstall on September 09, 2018, 04:19:51 PM

For not being nasty there are a lot of people committing suicide with a bullet in the back of the head.  Along with killed driving drunk, and they don't drink.
lol, I think those are about 99.99% Clinton hits.  So yes, there's those.  Hopefully they're far enough out to pasture that they don't have a viable killing machine anymore.

I just think the current crop of FBI schmucks is all show and no go.  Clapper and Brennan look a little wacky, but the FBI guys all look like giant pussies who think they're "swell".  There must be some tough guys still in the FBI, but I don't think it's these fools.  Hopefully Brennan and Clapper are also cast out enough to be useless nowadays.
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: AndyJackson on September 09, 2018, 08:55:12 PM
Quote from: Solar on September 09, 2018, 04:19:14 PM
Virtually? So one can surmise there must be something, so what is it?
The rate at which we're prosecuting the prosecutions.  And releasing the docs (especially when the prez is dangling tweets and quotes like "here they come !!")       

Hmmmm .......... feels like we just went in a big old circle.

I think it's possible that somebody "not on our side" is shading the process in a way that "doesn't help make it happen".  We know those people are still out there, holdovers-leftovers.  Paralysis by analysis and waiting for every last one of 10,000,000,000 details ....... what a great way to get it off track.  Trump's not omniscient .... somebody could be pulling this without him realizing it.

I believe that Horowitz and Huber are happening.  The details ....... nobody knows, for good or bad.
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: walkstall on September 09, 2018, 10:39:36 PM
Quote from: AndyJackson on September 09, 2018, 08:47:10 PM
lol, I think those are about 99.99% Clinton hits.  So yes, there's those.  Hopefully they're far enough out to pasture that they don't have a viable killing machine anymore.

I just think the current crop of FBI schmucks is all show and no go.  Clapper and Brennan look a little wacky, but the FBI guys all look like giant pussies who think they're "swell".  There must be some tough guys still in the FBI, but I don't think it's these fools.  Hopefully Brennan and Clapper are also cast out enough to be useless nowadays.


Trust me not all FBI work for the Dem's.
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: SueAnn on September 11, 2018, 01:50:42 AM
Quote from: T Hunt on September 08, 2018, 01:46:36 PM
Others have warred against the media but He is the first to wage war on the deep state.
Not true.  JFK announced that he wanted to end the Federal Reserve AND "break the CIA into 1,000 Pieces"

Both are Deep State Cabal run. 

Not long after announcing his intentions he took a ride in a limo with the bullet proof roof removed and the Secret Service agents all moved away from his limo before it made a certain turn onto a certain street...thus ending whatever it was he planned to do about the Fed and the CIA.  A few years later his little brother tried to finish what his brother started, and he walked through a hotel kitchen...
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: T Hunt on September 11, 2018, 10:07:30 AM
Quote from: SueAnn on September 11, 2018, 01:50:42 AM
Not true.  JFK announced that he wanted to end the Federal Reserve AND "break the CIA into 1,000 Pieces"

Both are Deep State Cabal run. 

Not long after announcing his intentions he took a ride in a limo with the bullet proof roof removed and the Secret Service agents all moved away from his limo before it made a certain turn onto a certain street...thus ending whatever it was he planned to do about the Fed and the CIA.  A few years later his little brother tried to finish what his brother started, and he walked through a hotel kitchen...

Your right, srry, i had forgotten about JFK talking about them. But at least today the idea of the deep state has gone outside of conspiracy circles and is part of the mainstream. Plus that NYT anonymous article proves they exist, so people wld rise up hard if trump was killed.
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: SueAnn on September 11, 2018, 08:59:35 PM
Quote from: T Hunt on September 11, 2018, 10:07:30 AM
Your right, srry, i had forgotten about JFK talking about them. But at least today the idea of the deep state has gone outside of conspiracy circles and is part of the mainstream. Plus that NYT anonymous article proves they exist, so people wld rise up hard if trump was killed.
Well for now we just need to "rise up" and get our butts to the polling stations in November to vote in as many Republicans as we can. 
I pray daily for the Marines, the Secret Service (hopefully carefully vetted) and the personal body guards (paid for out of Potus own pocket) to protect this Blessed President.

In 2020 we need to repeat 2016.
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: Bronx on September 18, 2018, 07:14:24 AM
Checkmate....!

I thought Trump would wait until Oct. Maybe he has a bigger surprise come Oct.

Trump orders feds to declassify key FISA documents, text messages in FBI Russia probe

President Trump on Monday ordered the declassification of several key documents related to the FBI investigation of Russian actions during the 2016 presidential election, including 21 pages of an application for a renewed surveillance warrant against former campaign aide Carter Page, and text messages from disgraced FBI figures Peter Strzok and Lisa Page.

White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders said Trump had ordered the documents released by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) and the Justice Department "[a]t the request of a number of committees of Congress, and for reasons of transparency."

The documents to be declassified also include all FBI reports on interviews with Justice Department official Bruce Ohr and all FBI reports of interviews prepared in connection with all other applications to surveil Carter Page.

READ MORE....
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/17/trump-orders-feds-to-declassify-key-fisa-documents-text-messages-in-fbi-russia-probe.html
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: supsalemgr on September 18, 2018, 07:36:00 AM
I know we are all awaiting the contents of these documents, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Supposedly, they are to be reviewed for any sensitive information which can still be redacted. The swamp is still full and the "deeps state" fully intact.
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: walkstall on September 18, 2018, 07:45:54 AM
Quote from: supsalemgr on September 18, 2018, 07:36:00 AM
I know we are all awaiting the contents of these documents, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Supposedly, they are to be reviewed for any sensitive information which can still be redacted. The swamp is still full and the "deeps state" fully intact.


Even after all this BS, all the information that could be will not be.  They will pull sensitive information BS.  The judges are not going down, as they were hand picked.  If the judges cared at all they would have called ever one of them in by now.  Like Hillary the FBI and DOJ are good at playing the shell Game.
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: MichaelJ on September 18, 2018, 08:28:32 AM
Quote from: walkstall on September 18, 2018, 07:45:54 AM

Even after all this BS, all the information that could be will not be.  They will pull sensitive information BS.  The judges are not going down, as they were hand picked.  If the judges cared at all they would have called ever one of them in by now.  Like Hillary the FBI and DOJ are good at playing the shell Game.

Exactly, they will make a big nothing sandwich out of this before they are finished.
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: walkstall on September 18, 2018, 08:41:30 AM
Quote from: MichaelJ on September 18, 2018, 08:28:32 AM
Exactly, they will make a big nothing sandwich out of this before they are finished.


I don't think Trump will let that happen.  He know the game their playing. 
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: Rotwang on September 18, 2018, 01:38:32 PM
Quote from: SueAnn on September 11, 2018, 01:50:42 AM
Not true.  JFK announced that he wanted to end the Federal Reserve AND "break the CIA into 1,000 Pieces"

Both are Deep State Cabal run. 

Not long after announcing his intentions he took a ride in a limo with the bullet proof roof removed and the Secret Service agents all moved away from his limo before it made a certain turn onto a certain street...thus ending whatever it was he planned to do about the Fed and the CIA.  A few years later his little brother tried to finish what his brother started, and he walked through a hotel kitchen...

The Deep State has been around for a very long time - quite likely since Lincoln.
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: Possum on September 18, 2018, 02:59:26 PM
Quote from: walkstall on September 18, 2018, 08:41:30 AM

I don't think Trump will let that happen.  He know the game their playing.
:thumbup: I'm guessing he already has run them by a judge.
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 18, 2018, 05:27:20 PM
I heard there were secret pardons by Obama for Hillary.

My proof, won't copy! 
Title: Re: Trump To Declassify the 20 FISA Docs Previously Redacted
Post by: walkstall on September 18, 2018, 05:36:25 PM
Quote from: LegalAmerican on September 18, 2018, 05:27:20 PM
I heard there were secret pardons by Obama for Hillary.

My proof, won't copy!


Then give a link.