Quote from: Solar on January 25, 2017, 06:25:20 PM
Walks, wanna merge this one as well with?
Trump Executive Orders etc...
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/trump-signs-eo-approving-keystone-and-dakota-pipelines/

Solar you have to admit the countdown clock is fun!~!

Quote from: redbeard on January 25, 2017, 04:14:11 PM
I love what he is doing but I hate EO's. An EO should be temporary and require congressional action to make them stand! After getting the country back on track it would be a great law to pass restricting the presidents power to bypass congress by time limiting EO's to say 6 month or maybe 1 year and requiring congressional legislation to continue past that. On a plus side it is a way to try something out and how it works before making it law but congress should act on some of these EO's if for no other reason then to make it harder for the next president to undo them!

Executive Orders have a practical and legitimate purpose. The job of the executive branch of government is to enforce the laws. The laws state what is supposed to be enforced and sometimes when or under which circumstance, and provide for funding when necessary. The original and legitimate purpose of EOs are orders sent out to the components of the executive branch, telling them HOW to enforce the laws. For example: when Trump signed the EO which directed various offices to start planning the construction of the south border wall, he is using a legitimate EO, because the LAW approving the construction of a wall was passed by congress and signed by Bush Jr. back in 2006. As long as those orders wait for congress to properly fund the project before actually beginning construction, Trump is well within his authority as president telling his people to get things ready for when congress does provide a law which includes funding.

EOs were never intended to modify the law in any way, shape or form - a fact seemingly forgotten by several of the more recent administrations, but more so by the immediate past admin than all previous combined. O was continually using EOs to change the law, such as delaying deadlines set for the enactment of certain aspects of the ACA, to increase the scope of EPA authority, etc.

Hopefully after Trump is finished countering all of Obama's EO usurpations, he will limit their use to their original, legitimate purpose.

Quote from: DwayneHoover on January 25, 2017, 04:15:40 PM

he knew they wouldn't stand so I'm not sure why he did it, but it wouldn't hurt the country if they were to be countered by trump.
people may be misguided but I can't see that he wanted to hurt the country. I do worry about Trump's protectionism hurting our economy. I want6 the factories back too, but there are better ways.

I am not PC BS.  b o had 8 years to help the black people but all he did was stock the fire of racism at every turn.   In my book b o is lower then cat shit.

Quote from: taxed on January 25, 2017, 05:14:58 PM
Hussein was very anti-American and had a seething disdain for this country.  That's interesting you don't think he wanted to hurt the country.  It seems you don't really pay attention to news and politics.  Why is that?

i fail to see how his being dead wrong means he hates the country. He can love our country but be so wrong about what we stand for that having him as the president ultimately hurts the country.
I do pay attention to current affairs. if President Trump makes a mistake it will not nean he doesn't love our country. I love the way he is cutting these unnecessary departments, but the trade may backfire. i prefer to bring back factories mire slowly by regulating them not us.

We currently inspect 2% of the containers of these foreign goods at our expense. This is a national security issue equal to, or maybe larger than the refugees. We don't know what is in those containers. Could be a nuclear bomb, ebola, who knows Inspect all containers and charge the shipper. Prices go up on the foreign junk and we comoete on a level field.

"The American people are no longer going to have to be forced to subsidize this disregard for our laws."

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Trump press secretary Sean Spicer announced on Wednesday an onslaught of new directives towards the goal of restoring law and order to the United States after eight years of the lawless Obama regime.

Spicer announced that all federal agencies are going to "unapologetically enforce the law" with "no ifs ands or buts" including the federal defunding of illegal and unconstitutional "sanctuary cities," a policy of progressive democrat leftists that give illegal aliens haven in several American cities that act as magnates for encouraging more illegal immigration.

"We're going to restore the popular and successful secure communities program which will help ICE agents target illegal immigrants for removal," Spicer announced in a prepared statement during his third press conference of the new administration.


more @
http://politistick.com/trump-administration-announces-major-steps-stop-foreign-invasion/#

Quote from: DwayneHoover on January 25, 2017, 08:18:03 PM
i fail

Correct.

Quoteto see how his being dead wrong means he hates the country.

It has nothing to do with being wrong or right.

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He can love our country but be so wrong about what we stand for that having him as the president ultimately hurts the country.

You're correct, except for when you really do hate the country.  To be a Marxist, you have to hate the country.  If you loved the country, you wouldn't be a Marxist.

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I do pay attention to current affairs.

Name something Hussein did that shows he loved the country.

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if President Trump makes a mistake it will not nean he doesn't love our country.

I agree.

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I love the way he is cutting these unnecessary departments, but the trade may backfire. i prefer to bring back factories mire slowly by regulating them not us.

There are many issues us free market capitalists have with various aspects of Trump's economic plans.  There are many things we like as well.

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We currently inspect 2% of the containers of these foreign goods at our expense. This is a national security issue equal to, or maybe larger than the refugees. We don't know what is in those containers. Could be a nuclear bomb, ebola, who knows Inspect all containers and charge the shipper. Prices go up on the foreign junk and we comoete on a level field.

I'm sure he has some smart security people.  I can sleep better at night knowing our national security is high on his priority list.

Quote from: taxed on January 25, 2017, 08:33:42 PM
Correct.
It has nothing to do with being wrong or right.
You're correct, except for when you really do hate the country.  To be a Marxist, you have to hate the country.  If you loved the country, you wouldn't be a Marxist.
Name something Hussein did that shows he loved the country.
I agree.
There are many issues us free market capitalists have with various aspects of Trump's economic plans.  There are many things we like as well.
I'm sure he has some smart security people.  I can sleep better at night knowing our national security is high on his priority list.

I agree that he will set up good security. That doesn't mean that these containers coming from all over the world are safe and the fact is that we at our expense only inspect 2%.

Inspet 100%, charge the shipper, prices of foreign crap goes up, and the playing field levels a little

I don't see the downside

Quote from: redbeard on January 25, 2017, 04:14:11 PM
I love what he is doing but I hate EO's. An EO should be temporary and require congressional action to make them stand! After getting the country back on track it would be a great law to pass restricting the presidents power to bypass congress by time limiting EO's to say 6 month or maybe 1 year and requiring congressional legislation to continue past that. On a plus side it is a way to try something out and how it works before making it law but congress should act on some of these EO's if for no other reason then to make it harder for the next president to undo them!

I agree with you; while I love so far what he's doing, ruling by executive fiat is very concerning.

He is really just undoing what Obama did. He has stated he desires to go through congress. There are plenty of good laws on the books. He just needs to instruct folks to follow the law.

Quote from: supsalemgr on January 26, 2017, 08:51:10 AM
He is really just undoing what Obama did. He has stated he desires to go through congress. There are plenty of good laws on the books. He just needs to instruct folks to follow the law.

Yep, unlike his predecessor, Trump hasn't created new Legislation, he's merely corrected wrongs done by the Marxist.
There's a reason Trump has to undo so many XO's, Congress is bound by the law of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, while the POTUS can only effect policy and not law.
Trump is simply undoing Marxist policy.

Quote from: DwayneHoover on January 25, 2017, 03:58:51 PM

I like a lot of what he is doing, but didn't you hate the EOs when Obama did it.

Do you understand that most of the EXo Trump is composing are to un do the Exo's Obamao wrote.

That and the fact that the EXo's on Immiogration are to reiterate EXISTING LAW and to begin enforcing the Law as it was PASSED PREVIOUSLY.

Quote from: Ms.Independence on January 26, 2017, 06:57:23 AM
I agree with you; while I love so far what he's doing, ruling by executive fiat is very concerning.

If that was even remotely what he was doing, I'd agree.

Quote from: DwayneHoover on January 26, 2017, 06:15:42 AM

I agree that he will set up good security. That doesn't mean that these containers coming from all over the world are safe and the fact is that we at our expense only inspect 2%.

Inspet 100%, charge the shipper, prices of foreign crap goes up, and the playing field levels a little

I don't see the downside

Who pays for the staff to do this? How long do you think it would take to become cost-effective, after recruitment, background checks and training? And while you're at it, what would you do with the massive numbers of empty shipping containers now piling up around the country? If we can't get the other countries to take back their boxes, how do you propose to collect your added fees?

Quote from: DwayneHoover on January 26, 2017, 06:15:42 AM

I agree that he will set up good security. That doesn't mean that these containers coming from all over the world are safe and the fact is that we at our expense only inspect 2%.

Inspet 100%, charge the shipper, prices of foreign crap goes up, and the playing field levels a little

I don't see the downside

Logistics alone would cripple transportation, be it massive amounts of manpower swarming the docks, to opening every container.
To what level do you search? Do you do a cursory and simply shake the container, break the seal and open the doors, or pull every piece out and physically inspect it, and if sealed packages, do they open each and everyone?
Where do we find the space to do this? Millions of containers being shipped daily, hiring millions of people to inspect them, an area large enough to spread out their entire contents, not to mention deciding what gets X-rayed.

Yeah, it's a nice dream, but it's never going to happen, ever.

Quote from: zewazir on January 25, 2017, 06:32:47 PM
Executive Orders have a practical and legitimate purpose. The job of the executive branch of government is to enforce the laws. The laws state what is supposed to be enforced and sometimes when or under which circumstance, and provide for funding when necessary. The original and legitimate purpose of EOs are orders sent out to the components of the executive branch, telling them HOW to enforce the laws. For example: when Trump signed the EO which directed various offices to start planning the construction of the south border wall, he is using a legitimate EO, because the LAW approving the construction of a wall was passed by congress and signed by Bush Jr. back in 2006. As long as those orders wait for congress to properly fund the project before actually beginning construction, Trump is well within his authority as president telling his people to get things ready for when congress does provide a law which includes funding.

EOs were never intended to modify the law in any way, shape or form - a fact seemingly forgotten by several of the more recent administrations, but more so by the immediate past admin than all previous combined. O was continually using EOs to change the law, such as delaying deadlines set for the enactment of certain aspects of the ACA, to increase the scope of EPA authority, etc.

Hopefully after Trump is finished countering all of Obama's EO usurpations, he will limit their use to their original, legitimate purpose.

You and I are on the same page.  If there is going to be any EO abuse, use it to unwind the former abuse QUICKLY, and then put a stop to it - return to the original purpose, let Congress function as it's suppose to, the People's House.

It really bugged me in 2009 when Obama supporters referred to "Obama's rule" - like he was a monarch and not a representative of the country.  He took it literally, unfortunately.  I don't like the idea of an Executive Order - no matter WHO is POTUS.  I'd much rather see the House exercise full control of the finances & budget, instead of this shirking their responsibility for this 20 Trillion dollar debt.... but that's another subject.

I'm really concerned how quickly and easily Americans forget how the 3 branches of government are suppose to work!  None of them have been acting responsibly, IMO.