For three weeks.
Details shortly.
So that's it, Trump just threw the shutdown smack dab in Nancy's lap, she now owns it come 3 weeks from now.
That whooshing sound you heard was Trump folding like a cheap suit and claiming victory.
Thank you Air Traffic Controllers.
I see it completely different. Trump caved and Pelosi won big. There wont be wall funding and in 3 weeks even more reps will be defecting. There is no other way to look at this accept we got our asses rolled.
I think alot of trumps base is going to leave.
My guess is dems will agree to a few more agents and a virtual wall that will stop virtual illegals
Quote from: ldub23 on January 25, 2019, 11:47:57 AM
I see it completely different. Trump caved and Pelosi won big. There wont be wall funding and in 3 weeks even more reps will be defecting. There is no other way to look at this accept we got our asses rolled.
I think alot of trumps base is going to leave.
The exact same deal that was offered and agreed upon 35 days ago before Trump changed his mind.
Quote from: ldub23 on January 25, 2019, 11:47:57 AM
I see it completely different. Trump caved and Pelosi won big. There wont be wall funding and in 3 weeks even more reps will be defecting. There is no other way to look at this accept we got our asses rolled.
I think alot of trumps base is going to leave.
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On the mark!
Quote from: Walter Josh on January 25, 2019, 12:23:05 PM
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On the mark!
Why in the hell will dems give anything now when they already rolled trump. Dems know more and more reps are going to say no wall. Trump gave up every bit of leverage he had. So whst if he declares an emergency. It will immediately be tied up in court. I dont he will do it anyway. This is just like parents threatening to punish their kids but never actually doing it. Kids know they can do what they want.
Trump has surrendered to Pelosi. There will not be a wall, barrier, fence, or slowing of the over running of America in 3 weeks, 3 months, or three years. Dems will propose massive funding for "border security" to trick the American public, like they do with all their solutions, that spending more money will solve any problem. However the money will never get to the people who work behind the scenes (ergo border agents) who actually know what they are talking about. Massive defeat for Trump and the Pubs anyway you slice it. Just what the hell do you think is going to happen in 3 weeks? Another govt. shutdown (which will be blamed on Trump) or a totally ineffective plan from Pelosi (which she knows won't stop the illegals flood) that will cost Trump many in his base and accomplish zero
I am laughing watching people say Trump caved. Whatever comes next is going to be a doozie.
Quote from: taxed on January 25, 2019, 12:45:31 PM
I am laughing watching people say Trump caved. Whatever comes next is going to be a doozie.
I agree. All this "who won" BS is a distraction. The end goal is to run the damn country. The shutdown had become a real distraction and the news cycle was only going to make it worse. Let's hope some adults will show up in Washington and we come to real compromise.
Quote from: taxed on January 25, 2019, 12:45:31 PM
I am laughing watching people say Trump caved. Whatever comes next is going to be a doozie.
Bingo!
Trump is playing a good hand here and now Nancy will get blamed for the next shutdown because Trump bargained in good faith.
The next move will please the shit out of the base.
Quote from: MichaelJ on January 25, 2019, 12:33:57 PM
Trump has surrendered to Pelosi. There will not be a wall, barrier, fence, or slowing of the over running of America in 3 weeks, 3 months, or three years. Dems will propose massive funding for "border security" to trick the American public, like they do with all their solutions, that spending more money will solve any problem. However the money will never get to the people who work behind the scenes (ergo border agents) who actually know what they are talking about. Massive defeat for Trump and the Pubs anyway you slice it. Just what the hell do you think is going to happen in 3 weeks? Another govt. shutdown (which will be blamed on Trump) or a totally ineffective plan from Pelosi (which she knows won't stop the illegals flood) that will cost Trump many in his base and accomplish zero
He hasn't surrendered anything. Can you let the man negotiate? He may not be negotiating exactly how you would, but I just watched the video and in no way, shape, or form did he cave. He's giving them a little extra rope.
Quote from: supsalemgr on January 25, 2019, 01:03:17 PM
I agree. All this "who won" BS is a distraction. The end goal is to run the damn country. The shutdown had become a real distraction and the news cycle was only going to make it worse. Let's hope some adults will show up in Washington and we come to real compromise.
...and, he didn't really "end" it. He extended a paycheck or two.
Quote from: Solar on January 25, 2019, 01:11:08 PM
Bingo!
Trump is playing a good hand here and now Nancy will get blamed for the next shutdown because Trump bargained in good faith.
The next move will please the shit out of the base.
There's no way the Dems are looking good over this.
Quote from: taxed on January 25, 2019, 12:45:31 PM
I am laughing watching people say Trump caved. Whatever comes next is going to be a doozie.
IMO.....President Trump wants to give his SOTU and address the American people in the House Chamber.
Quote from: Bronx on January 25, 2019, 01:42:31 PM
IMO.....President Trump wants to give his SOTU and address the American people in the House Chamber.
I don't disagree. He also let Chuck and Nancy get some more breath. If you're strangling someone, and they're about to go cold, you let off a little bit so they can start breathing again -- then commence the strangling.
Quote from: Bronx on January 25, 2019, 01:42:31 PM
IMO.....President Trump wants to give his SOTU and address the American people in the House Chamber.
:thumbup: :thumbup: I do believe Trump wants to define the differences for the 2020 race now and not later. He can not trust the lsm so he needs to give his message live.
Quote from: Bronx on January 25, 2019, 01:42:31 PM
IMO.....President Trump wants to give his SOTU and address the American people in the House Chamber.
Exactly! And the Dims will be forced to suffer through it as he hammers down on what a great economy we have, ending wars, avoiding others (NK), forcing China to make concessions etc, and there they will sit, looking like fools sitting on their hands. The country will see what losers the Dim party has become.
How is it people aren't seeing this for what it is?
Quote from: Solar on January 25, 2019, 02:14:26 PM
Exactly! And the Dims will be forced to suffer through it as he hammers down on what a great economy we have, ending wars, avoiding others (NK), forcing China to make concessions etc, and there they will sit, looking like fools sitting on their hands. The country will see what losers the Dim party has become.
How is it people aren't seeing this for what it is?
I can guarantee you the whisper in the halls in Washington, DC from the democrats are what the hell is President Donald J. Trump up to.
As far as people not "see this for what it is":...no vision.
Quote from: Solar on January 25, 2019, 02:14:26 PM
Exactly! And the Dims will be forced to suffer through it as he hammers down on what a great economy we have, ending wars, avoiding others (NK), forcing China to make concessions etc, and there they will sit, looking like fools sitting on their hands. The country will see what losers the Dim party has become.
How is it people aren't seeing this for what it is?
I see this a the "lull before the storm."
Quote from: Solar on January 25, 2019, 02:14:26 PM
Exactly! And the Dims will be forced to suffer through it as he hammers down on what a great economy we have, ending wars, avoiding others (NK), forcing China to make concessions etc, and there they will sit, looking like fools sitting on their hands. The country will see what losers the Dim party has become.
How is it people aren't seeing this for what it is?
Some hate Trump so bad they will never see what he has done, others only support Trump when he hits home runs at each bat. No matter what happened today, or what some think happened today, Trump is still president, still standing, and still in charge. He had to change tactics, every great leader has had to do that at sometime.
Quote from: s3779m on January 25, 2019, 02:27:57 PM
Some hate Trump so bad they will never see what he has done, others only support Trump when he hits home runs at each bat. No matter what happened today, or what some think happened today, Trump is still president, still standing, and still in charge. He had to change tactics, every great leader has had to do that at sometime.
Remember how the Dims were saying for weeks they'll negotiate on wall funding when the government is open. Trump just gave them yet ANOTHER opportunity to come to the table, or hang themselves.
Trump said, If we don't get a fair deal from Congress, the government will shut down on Feb. 15th again, or he will sign an emergency declaration.
Quote from: walkstall on January 25, 2019, 02:26:45 PM
I see this a the "lull before the storm."
You know in some of the war movies where the bomber drops a bomb, and the camera follows the bomb all the way down to the target? I feel like that's happening right now...
It allows for the Govt Workers to get paid, like the people actually doing a job in the BPS and ICE and the Coast Guard, Trump needs them on his side. Quite possible that the Emergency funding PLAN is in place, waiting until the latest carava of crooks gets closer to the border.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on January 25, 2019, 03:16:19 PM
It allows for the Govt Workers to get paid, like the people actually doing a job in the BPS and ICE and the Coast Guard, Trump needs them on his side. Quite possible that the Emergency funding PLAN is in place, waiting until the latest carava of crooks gets closer to the border.
Yep, just about 3 weeks. :lol:
Quote from: Solar on January 25, 2019, 03:27:03 PM
Yep, just about 3 weeks. :lol:
I feel like the SOTU and Ginsberg tie together somehow if memory of some Q drops are correct. There's a reason POTUS wants to do the SOTU.
Quote from: Solar on January 25, 2019, 02:39:32 PM
Remember how the Dims were saying for weeks they'll negotiate on wall funding when the government is open. Trump just gave them yet ANOTHER opportunity to come to the table, or hang themselves.
Trump said, If we don't get a fair deal from Congress, the government will shut down on Feb. 15th again, or he will sign an emergency declaration.
I believe they said they negotiate on border security, not a wall. There is NO reason for dems to give on anything.
I am hearing Sebastian Gorka claim its a victory he gets to give the SOTU. What a crock, Nancy allowing him to give the speech shows how powerful she is.
Quote from: ldub23 on January 25, 2019, 04:24:17 PM
I believe they said they negotiate on border security, not a wall. There is NO reason for dems to give on anything.
Will you let the man negotiate? The Dems are not looking good right now.
Quote from: ldub23 on January 25, 2019, 04:27:17 PM
I am hearing Sebastian Gorka claim its a victory he gets to give the SOTU. What a crock, Nancy allowing him to give the speech shows how powerful she is.
I don't think you're following this whole thing very well.
It's still up to Pelosi when and where he gets to give the speech.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-considering-agreeing-to-sign-three-week-spending-bill-as-early-as-friday-11548439078
"Commenting on a high-profile moment of the shutdown drama, Mrs. Pelosi said she didn't know when she would re-invite Mr. Trump to give his State of the Union speech, which Mr. Trump agreed to delay after a public squabble with the speaker. "The State of the Union is not planned now," she said, adding that she would find a time with Mr. Trump once the government is open. She didn't indicate whether she would welcome the president to the House chamber in the next three weeks or wait until after the border dispute is resolved."
Quote from: Rebecca on January 25, 2019, 04:34:54 PM
It's still up to Pelosi when and where he gets to give the speech.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-considering-agreeing-to-sign-three-week-spending-bill-as-early-as-friday-11548439078
"Commenting on a high-profile moment of the shutdown drama, Mrs. Pelosi said she didn't know when she would re-invite Mr. Trump to give his State of the Union speech, which Mr. Trump agreed to delay after a public squabble with the speaker. "The State of the Union is not planned now," she said, adding that she would find a time with Mr. Trump once the government is open. She didn't indicate whether she would welcome the president to the House chamber in the next three weeks or wait until after the border dispute is resolved."
They're trying to buy time with Ginsberg. We all know she won't be there. Why? That's going to start a lot of questions.
Quote from: taxed on January 25, 2019, 04:28:43 PM
I don't think you're following this whole thing very well.
Don't even bother with Mr Depression, the only time he posts is when he smells blood in the water, or think he smells it.
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I wish people would read or listen to my words on the Border Wall. This was in no way a concession. It was taking care of millions of people who were getting badly hurt by the Shutdown with the understanding that in 21 days, if no deal is done, it's off to the races!
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0 USC 2808: Construction authority in the event of a declaration of war or national emergency
Text contains those laws in effect on January 24, 2019
From Title 10-ARMED FORCES
Subtitle A-General Military Law
PART IV-SERVICE, SUPPLY, AND PROCUREMENT
CHAPTER 169-MILITARY CONSTRUCTION AND MILITARY FAMILY HOUSING
SUBCHAPTER I-MILITARY CONSTRUCTION
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§2808. Construction authority in the event of a declaration of war or national emergency
(a) In the event of a declaration of war or the declaration by the President of a national emergency in accordance with the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.) that requires use of the armed forces, the Secretary of Defense, without regard to any other provision of law, may undertake military construction projects, and may authorize the Secretaries of the military departments to undertake military construction projects, not otherwise authorized by law that are necessary to support such use of the armed forces. Such projects may be undertaken only within the total amount of funds that have been appropriated for military construction, including funds appropriated for family housing, that have not been obligated.
(b) When a decision is made to undertake military construction projects authorized by this section, the Secretary of Defense shall notify, in an electronic medium pursuant to section 480 of this title, the appropriate committees of Congress of the decision and of the estimated cost of the construction projects, including the cost of any real estate action pertaining to those construction projects.
(c) The authority described in subsection (a) shall terminate with respect to any war or national emergency at the end of the war or national emergency.
(Added Pub. L. 97–214, §2(a), July 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 157 ; amended Pub. L. 115–91, div. B, title XXVIII, §2801(a)(6), Dec. 12, 2017, 131 Stat. 1841 .)
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The National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.), referred to in subsec. (a), is Pub. L. 94–412, Sept. 14, 1976, 90 Stat. 1255 , as amended, which is classified principally to chapter 34 (§1601 et seq.) of Title 50, War and National Defense. For complete classification of this Act to the Code, see Short Title note set out under section 1601 of Title 50 and Tables.
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Provisions similar to those in this section were contained in Pub. L. 97–99, title IX, §903, Dec. 23, 1981, 95 Stat. 1382 , which was set out as a note under section 140 [now 127] of this title, prior to repeal by Pub. L. 97–214, §7(18).
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2017-Subsec. (b). Pub. L. 115–91 inserted ", in an electronic medium pursuant to section 480 of this title," after "shall notify".
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Ex. Ord. No. 12734, Nov. 14, 1990, 55 F.R. 48099, which related to national emergency construction authority, was revoked by Ex. Ord. No. 13350, July 29, 2004, 69 F.R. 46055, listed in a table under section 1701 of Title 50, War and National Defense.
Ex. Ord. No. 13235. National Emergency Construction Authority
Ex. Ord. No. 13235, Nov. 16, 2001, 66 F.R. 58343, provided:
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.), and section 301 of title 3, United States Code, I declared a national emergency that requires the use of the Armed Forces of the United States, by Proclamation 7463 of September 14, 2001 [50 U.S.C. 1621 note], because of the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, and because of the continuing and immediate threat to the national security of the United States of further terrorist attacks. To provide additional authority to the Department of Defense to respond to that threat, and in accordance with section 301 of the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1631), I hereby order that the emergency construction authority at 10 U.S.C. 2808 is invoked and made available in accordance with its terms to the Secretary of Defense and, at the discretion of the Secretary of Defense, to the Secretaries of the military departments.
With the new caravan coming he has a case. My fear is that it will be tied up in court. The eminent domain suits alone could drag on or years, depending on where the wall is to be built.
Quote from: taxed on January 25, 2019, 04:19:57 PM
I feel like the SOTU and Ginsberg tie together somehow if memory of some Q drops are correct. There's a reason POTUS wants to do the SOTU.
Interesting point about Ginsberg and the SOTU. The democrats prefer not ti discuss her situation.
Quote from: supsalemgr on January 26, 2019, 04:43:32 AM
Interesting point about Ginsberg and the SOTU. The democrats prefer not ti discuss her situation.
My Guess woud be she is hooked up to a life support machine, in a coma and someone is making her Legal decisions for her.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on January 26, 2019, 04:46:55 AM
My Guess woud be she is hooked up to a life support machine, in a coma and someone is making her Legal decisions for her.
kinda like the last time she went to the sotu speech