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Re: Trump proposes nationwide 'stop-and-frisk'
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2018, 11:41:29 PM »
First Amendment isn't just Freedom Of Speech, it's Freedom Of Conscience.

Who made you the arbiter of morality? You are not Government but you sure are acting like North Korea.

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Re: Trump proposes nationwide 'stop-and-frisk'
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2018, 11:45:07 PM »
The US used to have a Bill of Rights.

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Re: Trump proposes nationwide 'stop-and-frisk'
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2018, 02:57:15 AM »
They did that in New York. Didn't crime go down?
That went on under Rudy Giuliani term, I do not remember if it was his policy or not. And yes it worked, it worked well.
Police would walk up to gang members to talk to them and to just let them know crime was not tolerated, before talking to them they would frisk for weapons for safety reasons. If a weapon was found, off to jail. (want to know how to clean up Chicago?)
However, a policy that works against crimminals and that does not harass your law abiding citizen can not be tolerated by the courts. It was ruled to be "targeting" (well hell yea, even the four year olds knew who the criminals were, why would the police
have to pretend not to know?) by the court (can not remember if it was a court or one judge) and the practice ceased, and crime went back up. But I am sure Mr. tozi has his solution ready to tell us all about how to solve the crime problem.

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Re: Trump proposes nationwide 'stop-and-frisk'
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2018, 07:21:51 AM »
The US used to have a Bill of Rights.
LOL
The troll posts an article from 2016 and uses it to claim we no longer have a Bill of Rights?
Show me where Trump went beyond praising what Giuliani had done.

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Re: Trump proposes nationwide 'stop-and-frisk'
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2018, 09:05:23 AM »
What about my Bill Of Rights? Because it seems you Liberals only care about the criminals Bill Of Rights. Why is that?
First Amendment isn't just Freedom Of Speech, it's Freedom Of Conscience.

Who made you the arbiter of morality? You are not Government but you sure are acting like North Korea.

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Re: Trump proposes nationwide 'stop-and-frisk'
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2018, 08:32:52 PM »
There is already a law on this it is caled TERRY V Ohio, which states that a police officer may frisk anyone whom they beleive may be armed.  A lot of departments ordered their officers to stop doing this, but the law is still on the books as a SCOTUS Decision.
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Re: Trump proposes nationwide 'stop-and-frisk'
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2018, 08:35:31 PM »
The US used to have a Bill of Rights.

The US still has a "Bill of rights" and if you bothered to look you would know that the SCOTUS (Which you leftists are trying to undermine) already ruled on the legality of the stop and frisk law in Terry V Ohio in like 1967
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Re: Trump proposes nationwide 'stop-and-frisk'
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2018, 04:21:38 AM »
The US used to have a Bill of Rights.

So Tozi, what's your solution? Typical Dim with pseudo ethics spouted but no rationale to make things work in real life - like keeping all the innocents from living in a gang-hell. Yeah, I know ... all the working people should give the gangs their money so the poor, defenseless gang folk don't have to sell drugs anymore. Or we need another government program that will steal our money and do nothing to solve the problem - or make it worse (govt. employees probably need drugs to survive many of those jobs).

Maybe you can go camp out in South Side Chicago for a month and see how much you want to spout about the Bill of Rights with no end in sight for ruthless violence against the earnest communities buried under that rubble. Then let's hear what you have to say ... if you're still around.

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Re: Trump proposes nationwide 'stop-and-frisk'
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2018, 02:56:29 PM »
So Tozi, what's your solution? Typical Dim with pseudo ethics spouted but no rationale to make things work in real life - like keeping all the innocents from living in a gang-hell. Yeah, I know ... all the working people should give the gangs their money so the poor, defenseless gang folk don't have to sell drugs anymore. Or we need another government program that will steal our money and do nothing to solve the problem - or make it worse (govt. employees probably need drugs to survive many of those jobs).

Maybe you can go camp out in South Side Chicago for a month and see how much you want to spout about the Bill of Rights with no end in sight for ruthless violence against the earnest communities buried under that rubble. Then let's hear what you have to say ... if you're still around.

Troll ... you make me sick.
From what Tozi has written, I don't think he is for the constitution as much as he is against police.

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Re: Trump proposes nationwide 'stop-and-frisk'
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2018, 06:29:48 PM »
Tough topic. I don't like it. Yeah it really worked in NYC. What's the best thing to do when a city is in the toilet like Chicago? I'm on the fence but nationwide? No way. Not needed.


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Re: Trump proposes nationwide 'stop-and-frisk'
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2018, 07:14:32 PM »
The US used to have a Bill of Rights.

We still do, but stopping people who look like trouble is a good idea.

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Re: Trump proposes nationwide 'stop-and-frisk'
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2018, 07:32:13 PM »
I think the whole concept of stop and frisk was doomed from the beginning. I remember reading an article some time ago about the liberals fighting this because they said stop and frisk disproportionately affect African Americans. I never understood their argument as to why that is racists given FBI studies have found that the majority of Major crimes (somewhere between forty and fifty percent of which) are committed by African Americans.

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Re: Trump proposes nationwide 'stop-and-frisk'
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2018, 08:13:25 PM »
I think the whole concept of stop and frisk was doomed from the beginning. I remember reading an article some time ago about the liberals fighting this because they said stop and frisk disproportionately affect African Americans. I never understood their argument as to why that is racists given FBI studies have found that the majority of Major crimes (somewhere between forty and fifty percent of which) are committed by African Americans.

Nobody ever does.

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Re: Trump proposes nationwide 'stop-and-frisk'
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2018, 08:15:39 AM »
This "stop-and-frisk" business happened to me a few years ago, in New York, no less. It was by an undercover cop who did not even identify himself as a policeman. For some reason, he was astonished that I strongly resisted him, saying that he did not have to identify himself in advance. I probably would have gone to jail if there had not been multiple witnesses to the whole incident.

It is not going to always be that bummish-looking guy on the corner that gets this kind of treatment. You folks should remember that.

 

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