Trump on waterboarding: “If it doesn’t work, they deserve it anyway”

Started by Solar, November 27, 2015, 03:13:09 PM

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Solar

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on November 28, 2015, 04:19:11 PM
Yeah, they deserve it, but honestly, waterboarding isn;t really effective. Isolation cells and drugging are much better. :wink:
Oh sure, if you're looking for effectiveness and results.....
But where's the fun in that? Hey, it ain't torture unless I hear bones snapping. :biggrin:
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Quote from: Solar on November 28, 2015, 04:26:48 PM
Oh sure, if you're looking for effectiveness and results.....
But where's the fun in that? Hey, it ain't torture unless I hear bones snapping. :biggrin:


Ever see anybody in an isolation cell completely disoriented on drugs.....like a blind rat tearing at it's own flesh trying to claw out the demons in it's head..... :popcorn:
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carlb

Waterboarding's not torture.

I have no problem with it.

I do have a problem with trying to out evil the devil. You can't and no American should want to. We can win a WAR against these animals EASILY and without becoming what we claim to despise.

I see the AMERICAN soldier as God's angels on earth. We can be just and deadly to our enemies, but we can never become the Devil's ARMY.

Solar

Quote from: carlb on November 28, 2015, 04:50:59 PM
Waterboarding's not torture.

I have no problem with it.

I do have a problem with trying to out evil the devil. You can't and no American should want to. We can win a WAR against these animals EASILY and without becoming what we claim to despise.

I see the AMERICAN soldier as God's angels on earth. We can be just and deadly to our enemies, but we can never become the Devil's ARMY.
Wherein lies the problem. This is war, where you kill people and destroy things, to view it any other way, is a guarantee for protracted war.
See Hiroshima, Nagasaki, peace came quickly and now Japan is one of our most trusted allies.

Now, how long have we been dealing with the M/E?
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Tell ya what - I will burn in hell.

But once the Enemy starts something, I'd like to end it.

Eye for an Eye.


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Quote from: Solar on November 28, 2015, 04:56:56 PM
Wherein lies the problem. This is war, where you kill people and destroy things, to view it any other way, is a guarantee for protracted war.
See Hiroshima, Nagasaki, peace came quickly and now Japan is one of our most trusted allies.

Now, how long have we been dealing with the M/E?

Good point, solar.  Truman was right to drop the bomb on those cities.  It ended the war very promptly and saved innumerable American lives!

carlb

Solar, you misunderstand the role of God's angels. You NEVER cross one. Wiping out a city is a part of their work on earth. Ask the folks from Sodom. But we don't pull the wings off flies, or torture animals.

Sorry, but that behaviour is of the devil. You can kill, but you cannot torture.

The Founders agree with me on this.

QuoteDramatic footage has emerged online showing a suspected ISIS fighter crying after he was taken prisoner by Kurdish forces in Iraq.

The prisoner does not appear to have any noticeable injuries as he seats in the back of the armoured truck.

Much to the amusement of the Kurdish forces, the prisoner cries and

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3337295/Not-tough-ISIS-fighter-cries-like-baby-captured-Kurdish-forces.html


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"Should any American soldier be so base and infamous as to injure any [prisoner]. . . I do most earnestly enjoin you to bring him to such severe and exemplary punishment as the enormity of the crime may require. Should it extend to death itself, it will not be disproportional to its guilt at such a time and in such a cause... for by such conduct they bring shame, disgrace and ruin to themselves and their country." – George Washington, charge to the Northern Expeditionary Force, Sept. 14, 1775

Solar

Quote from: carlb on November 28, 2015, 05:16:52 PM
Solar, you misunderstand the role of God's angels. You NEVER cross one. Wiping out a city is a part of their work on earth. Ask the folks from Sodom. But we don't pull the wings off flies, or torture animals.

Sorry, but that behaviour is of the devil. You can kill, but you cannot torture.

The Founders agree with me on this.
I'll ask you what I asked all libs. Keep in mind the term Brothers in Arms.
Your wife brutally raped and killed lying on the ground in front of you, the rest of your family has been captured, no clues, the note states you have 30 minutes to meet their demands or they start torturing, raping and murdering the children one by one.

You find one of the kidnappers injured outside your home, you are running out of time.
Do you plead to his humanity, or torture for information?
Your call.

This is what our Military has faced many in the past, these soldiers are their family and they were never afforded the passage of time for resolve.
Yes, torture saved some lives, not all, but not all died brutally.
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Quote from: Billy's bayonet on November 28, 2015, 04:19:11 PM
Yeah, they deserve it, but honestly, waterboarding isn;t really effective. Isolation cells and drugging are much better. :wink:
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Quote from: quiller on November 28, 2015, 08:51:10 PM
Sleep deprivation, painfully loud music and strobe lights. Breakfast of champions.

You forgot the smell of fresh bacon cooking in the air. 
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quiller

Quote from: walkstall on November 28, 2015, 08:58:12 PM
You forgot the smell of fresh bacon cooking in the air.
Black Jack Pershing had the right idea. Butcher a hog in front of Mussie prisoners and then dip the bullets in pig's-blood before executing all but one dirtbag. Then turn him loose to spread the tale.

daidalos

Quote from: Solar on November 28, 2015, 07:40:11 AM
Nailed It! Sun Tzu would be impressed. :thumbup:
I understand where those in power are coming from, in that we have the most powerful Military in history, 10 fold over that of our enemies.
So their thinking is win the battle, show mercy and they'll join our cause, problem is, not all enemies share our goal of life.
Muscums believe in dying for their cause, literally the opposite of our concept of war, and with that in mind we have numskulls in power that refuse to face reality, the reality that the enemy sees victory in dying with their enemy.

Yeah, for me, a great deterrent would be to send back a dozen or so medically enhanced pigmen Muscum, where they walk in with pig appendages, including snouts, but still recognizable as terrorist leadership.
No one can tell me that wouldn't have a serious impact on morale, as well as freaking out the majority of their troops hoping for their 70 virgins, knowing Allah would never accept a pigman into his domain.
Yep, our political leadership. especially this President, is afraid to carry out an all out war against these savages. Thank God they weren't in power when it was the Axis powers threatening the security of the United States.
One of every five Americans you meet has a mental illness of some sort. Many, many, of our veteran's suffer from mental illness like PTSD now also. Help if ya can. :) http://www.projectsemicolon.org/share-your-story.html
And no you won't find my "story" there. They don't allow science fiction. :)

quiller

Quote from: daidalos on November 28, 2015, 09:41:46 PM
Yep, our political leadership. especially this President, is afraid to carry out an all out war against these savages. Thank God they weren't in power when it was the Axis powers threatening the security of the United States.

Today? "We will fight them to the lifeboats and then abandon ship, post haste."


Solar

Quote from: quiller on November 28, 2015, 09:00:07 PM
Black Jack Pershing had the right idea. Butcher a hog in front of Mussie prisoners and then dip the bullets in pig's-blood before executing all but one dirtbag. Then turn him loose to spread the tale.
But that's not us Q, anyway, according to some, that's wrong in the eyes of a higher power. :rolleyes:
Some live the Hollywood image of war, where bombs always hit their target and only bad guys die quickly without suffer.
But the term torture has many meanings, and one could easily make the case that Japan suffered the worst torture of all, painful protracted death via radiation, missing limbs and a myriad of ailments, all leading to a slow and painful demise..

Granted, this is not how I view war, but bleeding hearts do.
My point is, it matters not how one stops evil, but taking the quickest route is easily justified, and if that means torturing a million, so be it, if it saves one American life.
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