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Title: Trump Moving Forward on Census Question
Post by: Solar on July 03, 2019, 10:22:58 AM
That's Right, it was LSM Fake News.
Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
The News Reports about the Department of Commerce dropping its quest to put the Citizenship Question on the Census is incorrect or, to state it differently, FAKE! We are absolutely moving forward, as we must, because of the importance of the answer to this question.
Title: Re: Trump Moving Forward on Census Question
Post by: walkstall on July 03, 2019, 10:56:02 AM
Quote from: Solar on July 03, 2019, 10:22:58 AM
That's Right, it was LSM Fake News.
Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
The News Reports about the Department of Commerce dropping its quest to put the Citizenship Question on the Census is incorrect or, to state it differently, FAKE! We are absolutely moving forward, as we must, because of the importance of the answer to this question.

Is the Dem's two week up yet, for doing something about the border crossing? 
Title: Re: Trump Moving Forward on Census Question
Post by: supsalemgr on July 03, 2019, 11:30:28 AM
Quote from: Solar on July 03, 2019, 10:22:58 AM
That's Right, it was LSM Fake News.
Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
The News Reports about the Department of Commerce dropping its quest to put the Citizenship Question on the Census is incorrect or, to state it differently, FAKE! We are absolutely moving forward, as we must, because of the importance of the answer to this question.

Commerce dropped the ball in the way they requested the idea of placing the question back in the census. Basically, they tried to rebuild the clock rather than just saying what time it was.
Title: Re: Trump Moving Forward on Census Question
Post by: Zak on July 03, 2019, 01:57:31 PM
"Both a DOJ spox and Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross confirmed on the record that the Census forms were being printed without the citizenship question"
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/07/developing-a-single-tweet-from-trump-about-citizenship-question-on-census-prompts-federal-judges-to-convene-emergency-conferences/

But Trump is not giving up. He's like Napoleon, who once said: "My center is giving way, my right is retreating, situation excellent, I am attacking."
Title: Re: Trump Moving Forward on Census Question
Post by: Solar on July 03, 2019, 02:47:18 PM
Quote from: supsalemgr on July 03, 2019, 11:30:28 AM
Commerce dropped the ball in the way they requested the idea of placing the question back in the census. Basically, they tried to rebuild the clock rather than just saying what time it was.
Problem is, leftists run the commerce dept. Trump needs to gut that piece of shit.
Title: Re: Trump Moving Forward on Census Question
Post by: ConservativeInCT on July 03, 2019, 03:06:14 PM
Quote from: Solar on July 03, 2019, 10:22:58 AM
That's Right, it was LSM Fake News.
Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
The News Reports about the Department of Commerce dropping its quest to put the Citizenship Question on the Census is incorrect or, to state it differently, FAKE! We are absolutely moving forward, as we must, because of the importance of the answer to this question.

This could have a serious impact on the dems. Let's hope Trump can get it done.
Title: Re: Trump Moving Forward on Census Question
Post by: Billy's bayonet on July 03, 2019, 03:45:50 PM
Whatever the result of this is, I'm writting "American Citizen by birth' on my census form, I urge everyone else to do the same.
Title: Re: Trump Moving Forward on Census Question
Post by: Sauce on July 03, 2019, 06:12:00 PM
Quote from: Zak on July 03, 2019, 01:57:31 PM
"Both a DOJ spox and Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross confirmed on the record that the Census forms were being printed without the citizenship question"



Maybe they are printing everything BUT the page that has the citizenship question....to be inserted at a later date if cleared.
Title: Re: Trump Moving Forward on Census Question
Post by: Zak on July 03, 2019, 06:42:42 PM
Quote from: Sauce on July 03, 2019, 06:12:00 PM

Maybe they are printing everything BUT the page that has the citizenship question....to be inserted at a later date if cleared.

No. I've read the court transcript - the Government DOJ Attorneys confirmed that Trump tweet was a complete surprise for them (Idiots!), and contradicted their statements to the Court. They are meeting on Friday at 2 pm again.

"The Supreme Court vacated the March decision which was the basis for the inclusion of the citizenship question. So that final-agency action has been enjoined, and there is no current additional final-agency action out there to enjoin or to even challenge. I recognize this is a fluid situation and perhaps that might change, but we're just not there yet, and I can't possibly predict at this juncture what exactly is going to happen. I think the process by which we have been sort of operating for the past week, while it may be inconvenient for the Court, and I apologize about that, is to maintain consistent contact so we can keep updating the Court and the parties as to the state of affairs. But as of now, the basis for the citizenship question is firmly enjoined, vacated, and does not exist."

https://www.scribd.com/document/415520333/July-3rd-Census-Hearing-Teleconference-Transcript#download&from_embed

To me, the most interesting twist in all of this (on top of the weird SC decision) is the first public confrontation between Trump and Barr. I am sure they will be able to resolve it amicably, though. 
Title: Re: Trump Moving Forward on Census Question
Post by: Solar on July 03, 2019, 08:16:41 PM
Quote from: Zak on July 03, 2019, 06:42:42 PM
No. I've read the court transcript - the Government DOJ Attorneys confirmed that Trump tweet was a complete surprise for them (Idiots!), and contradicted their statements to the Court. They are meeting on Friday at 2 pm again.

"The Supreme Court vacated the March decision which was the basis for the inclusion of the citizenship question. So that final-agency action has been enjoined, and there is no current additional final-agency action out there to enjoin or to even challenge. I recognize this is a fluid situation and perhaps that might change, but we're just not there yet, and I can't possibly predict at this juncture what exactly is going to happen. I think the process by which we have been sort of operating for the past week, while it may be inconvenient for the Court, and I apologize about that, is to maintain consistent contact so we can keep updating the Court and the parties as to the state of affairs. But as of now, the basis for the citizenship question is firmly enjoined, vacated, and does not exist."

https://www.scribd.com/document/415520333/July-3rd-Census-Hearing-Teleconference-Transcript#download&from_embed

To me, the most interesting twist in all of this (on top of the weird SC decision) is the first public confrontation between Trump and Barr. I am sure they will be able to resolve it amicably, though.
What confrontation between Trump and Barr?  Do you have a link?
Title: Re: Trump Moving Forward on Census Question
Post by: Cryptic Bert on July 03, 2019, 11:32:36 PM
This whole kerfuffle flew in under my radar. Apparently congress is having hearings on this. Anyone know why?
Title: Re: Trump Moving Forward on Census Question
Post by: walkstall on July 04, 2019, 05:16:58 AM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 03, 2019, 11:32:36 PM
This whole kerfuffle flew in under my radar. Apparently congress is having hearings on this. Anyone know why?

Well they have to look like their doing something.  As there sure the hell not doing the job we ask of them. 
Title: Re: Trump Moving Forward on Census Question
Post by: Zak on July 04, 2019, 06:00:06 AM
Quote from: Solar on July 03, 2019, 08:16:41 PM
What confrontation between Trump and Barr?  Do you have a link?

No link. DOJ said they are not fighting the Supreme Court and Trump said they do. There's a chance that Barr didn't know, but he doesn't look good if that what's happened. Maybe "confrontation" is a wrong word; probably "misunderstanding" describes it better. Especially because DOJ immediately accepted Trump's order to fight it after his tweet.
Title: Re: Trump Moving Forward on Census Question
Post by: Solar on July 04, 2019, 07:37:54 AM
Quote from: Zak on July 04, 2019, 06:00:06 AM
No link. DOJ said they are not fighting the Supreme Court and Trump said they do. There's a chance that Barr didn't know, but he doesn't look good if that what's happened. Maybe "confrontation" is a wrong word; probably "misunderstanding" describes it better. Especially because DOJ immediately accepted Trump's order to fight it after his tweet.
Ahh, I see.
Title: Re: Trump Moving Forward on Census Question
Post by: mdgiles on July 04, 2019, 08:23:34 AM
Why doesn't President Trump simply go back to using the form as it was the last time the citizenship question was asked. If the USSC objects, simply inform them that this census form has been approved and used ALREADY, and the USSC according to the Constitution has NOTHING to do with the taking of the census anyway.
Title: Re: Trump Moving Forward on Census Question
Post by: Solar on July 04, 2019, 08:32:26 AM
Quote from: mdgiles on July 04, 2019, 08:23:34 AM
Why doesn't President Trump simply go back to using the form as it was the last time the citizenship question was asked. If the USSC objects, simply inform them that this census form has been approved and used ALREADY, and the USSC according to the Constitution has NOTHING to do with the taking of the census anyway.
Excellent point!!!
Title: Re: Trump Moving Forward on Census Question
Post by: taxed on July 04, 2019, 09:03:18 AM
Quote from: Solar on July 04, 2019, 07:37:54 AM
Ahh, I see.

In other words, while the leftists are trying to anticipate a left hook, a flying knee is heading at their head from the side...
Title: Re: Trump Moving Forward on Census Question
Post by: Solar on July 07, 2019, 03:39:44 PM
Oops, Dims continuing to piss of the Nation. Always on the wrong side of the majority. :lol:

Paul Bedard
@SecretsBedard
Majority want citizenship question on Census, 53%-32% (link: https://washex.am/2JqLoqa) washex.am/2JqLoqa

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-3y3DhWkAAkxkh?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Trump Moving Forward on Census Question
Post by: taxed on July 07, 2019, 04:11:17 PM
Quote from: Solar on July 07, 2019, 03:39:44 PM
Oops, Dims continuing to piss of the Nation. Always on the wrong side of the majority. :lol:

Paul Bedard
@SecretsBedard
Majority want citizenship question on Census, 53%-32% (link: https://washex.am/2JqLoqa) washex.am/2JqLoqa

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-3y3DhWkAAkxkh?format=jpg&name=900x900)

...and likely, 15% were illegals...   :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Trump Moving Forward on Census Question
Post by: Solar on July 07, 2019, 04:33:39 PM
Quote from: taxed on July 07, 2019, 04:11:17 PM
...and likely, 15% were illegals...   :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I swear, every poll that comes out shows the Nation backs Trump and the left doesn't know what to do.
Title: Re: Trump Moving Forward on Census Question
Post by: ConservativeInCT on July 07, 2019, 04:40:15 PM
Quote from: Solar on July 07, 2019, 04:33:39 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I swear, every poll that comes out shows the Nation backs Trump and the left doesn't know what to do.

I'd be worried if I were them. With their main voter base being cut off they are quickly falling in numbers.
Title: Re: Trump Moving Forward on Census Question
Post by: Solar on July 07, 2019, 08:28:19 PM
Quote from: ConservativeInCT on July 07, 2019, 04:40:15 PM
I'd be worried if I were them. With their main voter base being cut off they are quickly falling in numbers.
They're already dead, if not for their media, they'd have pulled the plug already. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Trump Moving Forward on Census Question
Post by: Solar on July 08, 2019, 04:41:27 PM
In a visit to South Carolina today, U.S. Attorney General William Barr said to expect the administration will present a legal path work-around that will allow a question on citizenship to be added to the 2020 Census.

Speaking to reporters after visiting a federal prison, Barr said "I think over the next day or two you'll see what approach we're taking and I think it does provide a pathway for getting the question on the Census."

https://www.postandcourier.com/news/attorney-general-barr-tells-sc-reporters-he-s-found-a/article_76547b6e-a18c-11e9-a2e7-b7256bab1021.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share
Title: Re: Trump Moving Forward on Census Question
Post by: taxed on July 08, 2019, 05:11:10 PM
Quote from: Solar on July 08, 2019, 04:41:27 PM
In a visit to South Carolina today, U.S. Attorney General William Barr said to expect the administration will present a legal path work-around that will allow a question on citizenship to be added to the 2020 Census.

Speaking to reporters after visiting a federal prison, Barr said "I think over the next day or two you'll see what approach we're taking and I think it does provide a pathway for getting the question on the Census."

https://www.postandcourier.com/news/attorney-general-barr-tells-sc-reporters-he-s-found-a/article_76547b6e-a18c-11e9-a2e7-b7256bab1021.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share

Barr with Trump has become a two-headed monster...
Title: Re: Trump Moving Forward on Census Question
Post by: Solar on July 08, 2019, 06:29:21 PM
Quote from: taxed on July 08, 2019, 05:11:10 PM
Barr with Trump has become a two-headed monster...
How quickly things changed when he took the job. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Trump Moving Forward on Census Question
Post by: supsalemgr on July 09, 2019, 04:19:19 AM
Quote from: Solar on July 08, 2019, 04:41:27 PM
In a visit to South Carolina today, U.S. Attorney General William Barr said to expect the administration will present a legal path work-around that will allow a question on citizenship to be added to the 2020 Census.

Speaking to reporters after visiting a federal prison, Barr said "I think over the next day or two you'll see what approach we're taking and I think it does provide a pathway for getting the question on the Census."

https://www.postandcourier.com/news/attorney-general-barr-tells-sc-reporters-he-s-found-a/article_76547b6e-a18c-11e9-a2e7-b7256bab1021.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share

In a short time on the job Bill Barr is making a mark. He doesn't say much, but when he does folks listen. His words seem to mean something.
Title: Re: Trump Moving Forward on Census Question
Post by: Solar on July 09, 2019, 06:14:38 AM
Quote from: supsalemgr on July 09, 2019, 04:19:19 AM
In a short time on the job Bill Barr is making a mark. He doesn't say much, but when he does folks listen. His words seem to mean something.
:thumbsup:
Soooo True!
(Think God Father)
Like grand pa stepped in the room, the entire extended family is arguing, he clears his throat, does it again once more, only much louder, the room goes quiet as he makes direct eye contact with each one of them.
They all stare in obedient silence waiting for his command, he says, There will some changes, most will not be happy, and I don't give a damn, you're just going to have to live with it, and that's Final! But...

No Buts about it, this is the way it will be done and the family will accept it or you can leave, your choice.
Silent grumbling across the room...Barr says, well good then, that's settled.

The left has pulled this shit for decades and the GOP peed the carpet like a whipped puppy, ears down, tail quivering as it drags itself halfway on it's subservient side hoping to not get punished for feigning rebellion.
Trump entered the WH, forced the GOP to accept a spine and started dictating the rules. Both party's were in a furor, both party's challenged him, both party's saw a truly pissed off Nation that wanted nothing from them, the people are defiant and the Pols aren't used to being backed down.

Trump just told Roberts to fuck off and there isn't a thing Roberts can do about it, because by law, SCOTUS is not a law maker, and Roberts has been wagging his peepee around as if he were King.
Trump is the final arbiter, Barr is Trump's bailiff, Trump said to Barr, Bailiff, Whack his PeePee.

I know, I was halfway kidding with the metaphor, but in truth, this is what just happened, Trump just took command and theres not one damned thing anyone can  do to stop him.
This alone would have gotten him elected, but that was already in the TEA  leaves.
Title: Re: Trump Moving Forward on Census Question
Post by: supsalemgr on July 11, 2019, 01:18:03 PM
Trump knows this is an issue that is understood by the electorate (people who are eligible to vote because they are CITIZENS). The majority of the electorate see no problem asking this question.

In the big scheme of things this is not a major issue. However, Trump is baiting democrats to keep opposing him on this issue. That piece does play with the electorate.
Title: Re: Trump Moving Forward on Census Question
Post by: Solar on July 11, 2019, 01:22:25 PM
 :thumbsup:

Trump to Take Executive Action to Place Citizenship Question on 2020 Census: Reports

https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-to-take-executive-action-to-place-citizenship-question-on-2020-census-reports_2998490.html