Trump will sanction Iran. This is huge.
These sanctions include anyone attempting to trade with Iran. HEAR that Europe?
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump plans to follow through on his campaign threat to pull out of the landmark nuclear accord with Iran, according to two people familiar with his thinking, dealing a profound blow to U.S. allies and potentially deepening the president's isolation on the world stage.
Trump's decision means Iran's government must now decide whether to follow the U.S. and withdraw or try to salvage what's left of the deal. Iran has offered conflicting statements about what it may do — and the answer may depend on exactly how Trump exits the agreement.
The 2015 pact itself does not contain any provisions for leaving, but Trump was expected to re-impose most, if not all, of the sanctions on Iran that were eased under the deal. That would erase the economic benefits promised to Iran under the deal and be tantamount to the United States walking away.
It wasn't immediately clear which sanctions would be slapped back on Iran and how quickly. But grace periods of a few months to half a year are expected to be granted so that businesses and governments can wind down operations that would violate re-imposed U.S. sanctions, the individuals said.
https://apnews.com/cead755353a1455bbef08ef289448994/Trump-decides-to-exit-nuclear-accord-with-Iran
Quote from: Solar on May 08, 2018, 11:23:19 AM
Trump will sanction Iran. This is huge.
These sanctions include anyone attempting to trade with Iran. HEAR that Europe?
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump plans to follow through on his campaign threat to pull out of the landmark nuclear accord with Iran, according to two people familiar with his thinking, dealing a profound blow to U.S. allies and potentially deepening the president's isolation on the world stage.
Trump's decision means Iran's government must now decide whether to follow the U.S. and withdraw or try to salvage what's left of the deal. Iran has offered conflicting statements about what it may do — and the answer may depend on exactly how Trump exits the agreement.
The 2015 pact itself does not contain any provisions for leaving, but Trump was expected to re-impose most, if not all, of the sanctions on Iran that were eased under the deal. That would erase the economic benefits promised to Iran under the deal and be tantamount to the United States walking away.
It wasn't immediately clear which sanctions would be slapped back on Iran and how quickly. But grace periods of a few months to half a year are expected to be granted so that businesses and governments can wind down operations that would violate re-imposed U.S. sanctions, the individuals said.
https://apnews.com/cead755353a1455bbef08ef289448994/Trump-decides-to-exit-nuclear-accord-with-Iran
Not surprisingly Schumer has criticized the move. Who is surprised? Leftist FNC commentator Marie Harf said this action could cause some State Department employees to leave. Damn, we are already seeing some positives if swamp dwellers might leave on their own.
Now watch the MSM go all in against the move. I see some short term pain with this decision as companies have to wind down Iranian investments. However, it is the best in the long term.
Hey, Obama, you can keep your legacy like we can keep our doctors.
Way to go President Trump. Although I would have liked him to call this Iran deal a treaty than send it to the Senate for a vote and let's see if this deal could have received 2/3 of the vote to pass.
I would have loved to see who voted which way.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/obama-calls-decision-to-exit-iran-nuclear-deal-misguided-2018-05-08
Who is this obama fellow and why do people quote him? :rolleyes:
Quote from: s3779m on May 08, 2018, 01:50:12 PM
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/obama-calls-decision-to-exit-iran-nuclear-deal-misguided-2018-05-08
Who is this obama fellow and why do people quote him? :rolleyes:
As I remember b o is the asshole that sold us down the drain for 8 years.
Obama, wasn't he president or something?
Quote from: The Boo Man... on May 08, 2018, 06:02:59 PM
Obama, wasn't he president or something?
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I've been sneaking around on the internet and the Leftists are shitting watermelons over this...... :popcorn:
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on May 08, 2018, 06:36:07 PM
I've been sneaking around on the internet and the Leftists are shitting watermelons over this...... :popcorn:
This should bring out some lib judge spitting fire. :popcorn:
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on May 08, 2018, 06:36:07 PM
I've been sneaking around on the internet and the Leftists are shitting watermelons over this...... :popcorn:
Every day they get more and more upset. Thankfully they don't know what about.
They got battered like the loser in an MMA cage match. First Trump shitcans the Iran Nuke extortion deal. THEN all over the place Tea Party and True conservative PRO TRUMP candidates win the Primaries (except for Ohio) and to top it off Pompeo walks out of N. Korea with 3 Americans who were imprisoned for years.
Meantime they are still trying to figure out why a growing number of Judge and Legal people are making bad noises at Mueller and his nothingburger investigtion.
This think was misnamed from the start, it should always be known as the Iran Robbery cause that is what they (Kerry, Iran, Obama) did to us.
Quote from: MichaelJ on May 09, 2018, 06:43:05 AM
This think was misnamed from the start, it should always be known as the Iran Robbery cause that is what they (Kerry, Iran, Obama) did to us.
While making the "Three Greatest Promises", Checks in the mail, I'll respect you in the morning and I won't.....
They did all three while bending us over forward.
Rape has consequences and they'll pay dearly.
Euthanizing this Iran Agreement is far more important than huge;
it's potentially transformational, in a critical region of the world.
Further, it's a testament to the power of clear thinking w/a laser focus.
One hundred years ago Great Britain had a similar opportunity to transform
the ME and made a colossal hash of it; which still reverberates today.
Hopefully, a much wiser Trump will now seize the moment. Consider:
The Sunni Leaders of Saudi Arabia, Oman, the Emirates, Qatar, Kuwait,
Bahrain, Jordan and Iraq, immediately embraced Trump's decision.
These States have a comfort level w/Israel; so a coalition basis exists.
* What does it mean for Iran and its Muslim fanatics?
Serious danger for them, as we have the ballistic missiles while they have
the bull horns. Few grasp that the Iran Revolution in '79 was not a popular
uprising against the Phalevi Monarchy, rather it meant the rise of the Mullahs!
* What does it mean for Turkey and a political hustler such as Erdogan?
It is a veiled warning to the religious agitators, that we support a stable
and self-sufficient ME; able to stand on their own two feet in the world.
* What does this mean for China and the Korea's? Time to reflect long and hard!
* How about Britain, France and Germany?
For the former, time to toss PM Mizz May, a total loser; for the latter,
the same remedy for PM Lard Butt. As for France, who ruled the Levant
(Lebanon and Syria) for more than a century; here is an opportunity for
them to re-establish their role as wise counselor to the Arab.
* What about Donald Trump?
From this time forward his slogan should be, "Let them hate, as long as they fear."
Quote from: Solar on May 08, 2018, 11:23:19 AMDrumpf will sanction Iran. This is huge.
Obama did it first and the sanctions worked to force Iran to the negotiating table. Why would Iran go back to the table now, with the US being the only nation to impose sanctions? Unilateral sanctions don't work.
Quote from: Walter Josh on May 09, 2018, 11:59:25 AM
Euthanizing this Iran Agreement is far more important than huge;
it's potentially transformational, in a critical region of the world.
Further, it's a testament to the power of clear thinking w/a laser focus.
One hundred years ago Great Britain had a similar opportunity to transform
the ME and made a colossal hash of it; which still reverberates today.
Hopefully, a much wiser Drumpf will now seize the moment. Consider:
The Sunni Leaders of Saudi Arabia, Oman, the Emirates, Qatar, Kuwait,
Bahrain, Jordan and Iraq, immediately embraced Drumpf's decision.
These States have a comfort level w/Israel; so a coalition basis exists.
* What does it mean for Iran and its Muslim fanatics?
Serious danger for them, as we have the ballistic missiles while they have
the bull horns. Few grasp that the Iran Revolution in '79 was not a popular
uprising against the Phalevi Monarchy, rather it meant the rise of the Mullahs!
* What does it mean for Turkey and a political hustler such as Erdogan?
It is a veiled warning to the religious agitators, that we support a stable
and self-sufficient ME; able to stand on their own two feet in the world.
* What does this mean for China and the Korea's? Time to reflect long and hard!
* How about Britain, France and Germany?
For the former, time to toss PM Mizz May, a total loser; for the latter,
the same remedy for PM Lard Butt. As for France, who ruled the Levant
(Lebanon and Syria) for more than a century; here is an opportunity for
them to re-establish their role as wise counselor to the Arab.
* What about Donald Drumpf?
From this time forward his slogan should be, "Let them hate, as long as they fear."
Iran doesn't fear us or our unilateral sanctions. Obama and Clinton got global sanctions on Iran; Trump hasn't built any kind of coalition that can impose sanctions strong enough to cripple Iran's economy. He needs the rest of the world to go along with it. Why? Because Iran can simply just do deals with the other signatories to the agreement.
The decision to violate the Iran Nuclear Agreement is stupid, impotent, and will be ineffective.
Quote from: The Derp on May 09, 2018, 12:07:36 PM
Iran doesn't fear us or our unilateral sanctions. Obama and Clinton got global sanctions on Iran; Trump hasn't built any kind of coalition that can impose sanctions strong enough to cripple Iran's economy. He needs the rest of the world to go along with it. Why? Because Iran can simply just do deals with the other signatories to the agreement.
The decision to violate the Iran Nuclear Agreement is stupid, impotent, and will be ineffective.
Have you noticed that you've lost your ass on every issue, every occurrence, and every situation for the last 24 months ?
This babbling belching bloviating bullshit of yours makes it seem like you don't realize this.
Do you realize that making ugly noise doesn't mean you win anything ?
Quote from: AndyJackson on May 09, 2018, 12:35:31 PMHave you noticed that you've lost your ass on every issue, every occurrence, and every situation for the last 24 months ?
What issues?
You didn't win on tax policy; economic growth for Q1 2018 was below economic growth for Q4 2017. The tax cuts took effect January 1st, 2018. Economic growth for the first three months of the tax cut was below economic growth in the last three months prior to the tax cut. Ergo, the tax cuts harmed economic growth. That's winning? According to whom?
Or are you referring to the 40+ legislative seats that have flipped from red to blue since Election Day 2016? Or Doug Jones beating that GOP pedobear in Alabama? Or a trans woman beating a Conservative incumbent who was fixated on bathrooms in VA? More #winning?
Maybe you think #winning is the stock market contracting since January.
DJIA on 1/2/18: 24,719.22
DJIA on 5/8/18: 24,357.42
So you're #winning by losing 400 points on the Dow?
So what have you "won" on? Because by my count, a GDP growth rate that didn't hit 3% in 2017, and dropped 0.6% in Q1 2018 indicates
losing...unless Conservatives are going to try to redefine the word. Is that what you're trying to do?
Quote from: AndyJackson on May 09, 2018, 12:35:31 PMThis babbling belching bloviating bullshit of yours makes it seem like you don't realize this.
What is bullshit about anything I said? Unilateral sanctions against Iran aren't going to do anything. All you're doing by violating the deal is giving Iran an allowance to pursue a nuclear weapon -which they said yesterday they would do "in earnest"- and you're sending the message to every other rogue nation around the world that the word of the United States doesn't mean shit; we don't honor the agreements we sign. Which is par for the course with Trump...do you personally also renege on agreements you make?
Quote from: Walter Josh on May 09, 2018, 11:59:25 AM
Euthanizing this Iran Agreement is far more important than huge;
it's potentially transformational, in a critical region of the world.
Further, it's a testament to the power of clear thinking w/a laser focus.
One hundred years ago Great Britain had a similar opportunity to transform
the ME and made a colossal hash of it; which still reverberates today.
Hopefully, a much wiser Trump will now seize the moment. Consider:
The Sunni Leaders of Saudi Arabia, Oman, the Emirates, Qatar, Kuwait,
Bahrain, Jordan and Iraq, immediately embraced Trump's decision.
These States have a comfort level w/Israel; so a coalition basis exists.
* What does it mean for Iran and its Muslim fanatics?
Serious danger for them, as we have the ballistic missiles while they have
the bull horns. Few grasp that the Iran Revolution in '79 was not a popular
uprising against the Phalevi Monarchy, rather it meant the rise of the Mullahs!
* What does it mean for Turkey and a political hustler such as Erdogan?
It is a veiled warning to the religious agitators, that we support a stable
and self-sufficient ME; able to stand on their own two feet in the world.
* What does this mean for China and the Korea's? Time to reflect long and hard!
* How about Britain, France and Germany?
For the former, time to toss PM Mizz May, a total loser; for the latter,
the same remedy for PM Lard Butt. As for France, who ruled the Levant
(Lebanon and Syria) for more than a century; here is an opportunity for
them to re-establish their role as wise counselor to the Arab.
* What about Donald Trump?
From this time forward his slogan should be, "Let them hate, as long as they fear."
I agree with you. If the Sunni nations align with Israel against the radical Islamist it is a game changer. Their 8th century model does not work in 2018 if they don't have the support of the Sunnis's.
Quote from: The Derp on May 09, 2018, 12:07:36 PM
Iran doesn't fear us or our unilateral sanctions. Obama and Clinton got global sanctions on Iran; Trump hasn't built any kind of coalition that can impose sanctions strong enough to cripple Iran's economy. He needs the rest of the world to go along with it. Why? Because Iran can simply just do deals with the other signatories to the agreement.
The decision to violate the Iran Nuclear Agreement is stupid, impotent, and will be ineffective.
I think you are drinking the leftist kool-aid. Iran is an economic paper tiger. It is a wait and see to see what the Europeans do.
Quote from: The Derp on May 09, 2018, 12:53:59 PM
What is bullshit about anything I said? Unilateral sanctions against Iran aren't going to do anything. All you're doing by violating the deal is giving Iran an allowance to pursue a nuclear weapon -which they said yesterday they would do "in earnest"- and you're sending the message to every other rogue nation around the world that the word of the United States doesn't mean shit; we don't honor the agreements we sign. Which is par for the course with Trump...do you personally also renege on agreements you make?
I see plenty of feelz, but precious little proof for your filibuster here.
Of course I would break/ renegotiate an agreement that sucks for me, if that's a legal option. Especially if it was foisted on me by some moron / criminal, and it wasn't my doing originally. What's it like on your planet ?
Quote from: supsalemgr on May 09, 2018, 12:58:34 PMI think you are drinking the leftist kool-aid. Iran is an economic paper tiger. It is a wait and see to see what the Europeans do.
You call Trump "wise" and you accuse me of drinking the Kool-aid?
The Europeans already have deals in place with Iran; lucrative deals that their private interests are never going to allow to be discarded.
So you violate the Iran deal to impose sanctions that will...force Iran to the table to negotiate a deal that they just did a few years ago.
So you want to take three steps back to take one step forward. How many steps does that leave you behind?
Quote from: The Derp on May 09, 2018, 01:02:01 PM
You call Trump "wise" and you accuse me of drinking the Kool-aid?
The Europeans already have deals in place with Iran; lucrative deals that their private interests are never going to allow to be discarded.
So you violate the Iran deal to impose sanctions that will...force Iran to the table to negotiate a deal that they just did a few years ago.
So you want to take three steps back to take one step forward. How many steps does that leave you behind?
Where did I call Trump "wise" in this thread?
Quote from: supsalemgr on May 09, 2018, 01:06:18 PM
Where did I call Trump "wise" in this thread?
This guy's all over the place.
A veritable blitzkrieg of feelz, falsehoods, empty claims, and tactical annoyance.
Quote from: AndyJackson on May 09, 2018, 12:59:35 PMI see plenty of feelz, but precious little proof for your filibuster here.
Now you're just spitting out words because you have no coherent argument to make in favor of violating the Iran deal.
Fact is, sanctions don't work when we're the only one imposing them. That's not a feeling, that's a fact. Sanctions only work when the whole world goes along with them, which is what Obama and Clinton got them to do. You Trumpanzees are incapable of building coalitions because all you know is destruction. You're really good at knocking things down, but you come up real short when it comes to building things back up.
Why would Iran negotiate with the US now, since no other major party to the agreement is going along with Trump? Can you answer that question, or are you going to gaslight it because you're a lightweight?
Quote from: AndyJackson on May 09, 2018, 12:59:35 PMOf course I would break/ renegotiate an agreement that sucks for me
How did the Iran Agreement "suck" for us? We got Iran to give up their nuke program, and we allowed American businesses to resume doing business with Iran, including oil companies. I don't think you have any idea why you oppose the Iran deal
other than the fact that it was Obama who got it. Obama did what Bush the Dumber and the proto-teabags couldn't; he got Iran to give up their nuclear program. A nuke program that grew during Bush the Dumber, and will resume once again under Trump, just like Iran said yesterday.
#winning
Quote from: AndyJackson on May 09, 2018, 12:59:35 PM, if that's a legal option. Especially if it was foisted on me by some moron / criminal, and it wasn't my doing originally. What's it like on your planet ?
The only criminal here is Trump. Iran was abiding by the deal, Obama got the entire world to go along with it. I think you just want a war that you won't fight yourself.
Quote from: The Derp on May 09, 2018, 12:04:12 PM
Obama did it first and the sanctions worked to force Iran to the negotiating table. Why would Iran go back to the table now, with the US being the only nation to impose sanctions? Unilateral sanctions don't work.
Changing a quote is forbidden! Are you looking to get booted?
Quote from: supsalemgr on May 09, 2018, 01:06:18 PMWhere did I call Drumpf "wise" in this thread?
You said you agreed with that other poster's assessment that "a wiser Trump" would be able to magically do what no one else has been able to accomplish.
Quote from: Solar on May 09, 2018, 01:23:30 PMChanging a quote is forbidden! Are you looking to get booted?
I didn't change your quote. In fact, I took careful pains to quote you directly. If I misquoted you somehow, it's because you recognized the hideousness of what you said and are looking for a red herring to avoid answering for it.
#winning
Quote from: The Derp on May 09, 2018, 01:26:50 PM
You said you agreed with that other poster's assessment that "a wiser Trump" would be able to magically do what no one else has been able to accomplish.
OK, that's it, take a timeout. I warned you about editing quotes.
Here's the thing, if you want to post here, you must back up your claims with actual stats, not opinion pieces, but actual facts.
Also, baiting and insulting members is uncalled for, but an actual debate is welcome, so take a break and you''re more than welcome to come back and back up your arguments.
Quote from: Solar on May 09, 2018, 01:23:30 PM
Changing a quote is forbidden! Are you looking to get booted?
He's looking to get some adult attention on the interwebz. Not much else.
He will be back at DU chirping "hahahaha you shoulda seen me making them mad on this one site".
Small things give small people small thrills.
Gives us a few minutes of laughs too, as we spoof and goof him. Win-Win.
Quote from: AndyJackson on May 09, 2018, 01:32:30 PM
He's looking to get some adult attention on the interwebz. Not much else.
He will be back at DU chirping "hahahaha you shoulda seen me making them mad on this one site".
Small things give small people small thrills.
Gives us a few minutes of laughs too, as we spoof and goof him. Win-Win.
I don't mind mental midgets coming in to post, but rattling off opinion minus the actual facts is unacceptable, though getting called on it is not something these kids are used to.
Whenever I hit a lib site, I do my best to stick to the facts, not try and anger anyone, and definitely try and have a good debate, but this kid is just trolling and needed a timeout to think about his approach.
Note to Walks:
If he continues to act like a kid, boot his ass.
Quote from: Solar on May 09, 2018, 01:43:50 PM
I don't mind mental midgets coming in to post, but rattling off opinion minus the actual facts is unacceptable, though getting called on it is not something these kids are used to.
Whenever I hit a lib site, I do my best to stick to the facts, not try and anger anyone, and definitely try and have a good debate, but this kid is just trolling and needed a timeout to think about his approach.
Note to Walks:
If he continues to act like a kid, boot his ass.
understood.
It's been a while since someone wandered over from the LNF.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on May 09, 2018, 04:32:27 PM
It's been a while since someone wandered over from the LNF.
My bad, I had made an appointment to have the CPF septic sucked out, and the driver asked if I would take the lid off so he could get started right away.
Well, he was late and there was that damn septic wide open and a single turd snuck out and the rest is history.
Quote from: Solar on May 09, 2018, 04:43:07 PM
My bad, I had made an appointment to have the CPF septic sucked out, and the driver asked if I would take the lid off so he could get started right away.
Well, he was late and there was that damn septic wide open and a single turd snuck out and the rest is history.
Sometimes the smallest turds have the worst smell. I think Churchill said that.
Quote from: The Derp on May 09, 2018, 12:53:59 PM
What is bullshit about anything I said? Unilateral sanctions against Iran aren't going to do anything. All you're doing by violating the deal is giving Iran an allowance to pursue a nuclear weapon -which they said yesterday they would do "in earnest"- and you're sending the message to every other rogue nation around the world that the word of the United States doesn't mean shit; we don't honor the agreements we sign. Which is par for the course with Trump...do you personally also renege on agreements you make?
You got it wrong FIRST OF ALL It wasn't "America" or "Trump" that didn't honor the "agreement" IT WAS THE IRANIANS, That was just PROVEN by the literally TON of documents uncovered by Israeli operatives. Once Trump had the PROOF then he withdrew once he saw the "agreement" was Violated.
Second it isn't AMERICA's agreement or "deal", It is your Boy Hussein's, it is NOT a TREATY ratified by Congress LIKE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, it was Hussein with his pen and his phone. Trump has a pen and a phone just like it. AND as I recall (it was discussed on this board at the time) Cryin' Chuckie Schumer WAS AGAINST IT, so were a lot of others Dems who said it should have gone the correct route thru Capitol Hill and be a REAL TREATY.
Last, if the other signature Countries Stay in this agreement WHICH IRAN HAS PROVED TO HAVE VIOLATED, what does that say about their word? Watch and see how quick they chicken out.
Quote from: The Derp on May 09, 2018, 12:07:36 PM
Iran doesn't fear us or our unilateral sanctions. Obama and Clinton got global sanctions on Iran; Trump hasn't built any kind of coalition that can impose sanctions strong enough to cripple Iran's economy. He needs the rest of the world to go along with it. Why? Because Iran can simply just do deals with the other signatories to the agreement.
The decision to violate the Iran Nuclear Agreement is stupid, impotent, and will be ineffective.
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Dearest Newbie,
Apparently you're also new to life.
Obama and Clinton were two of the most monumental self absorbed jackasses ever to
sit in the Oval Office and did squat to advance the interests of the USA in foreign affairs.
International transactions must be processed through the Central Banks
of nations trading whose terms both must agree to; otherwise there is no deal.
Suggest you re-check the location of your head; assuming you have one.
Adjusted so post would not be in the quote.
walks
Quote from: The Derp on May 09, 2018, 01:26:50 PM
You said you agreed with that other poster's assessment that "a wiser Trump" would be able to magically do what no one else has been able to accomplish.
Your evasive answer resembles a loon I had to deal with on another forum.
Quote from: Solar on May 09, 2018, 01:43:50 PMI don't mind mental midgets coming in to post, but rattling off opinion minus the actual facts is unacceptable
None of you have posted a single fact this entire thread. Whereas, I have posted facts like how unilateral sanctions don't work, and how us violating the agreement we signed isn't going to magically make Iran come back to the table. No other country in the world is violating the agreement, so what leverage do we have? None. Like Trump, you're terrible negotiators who just react to things without thinking them through.
Quote from: Solar on May 09, 2018, 01:43:50 PM, though getting called on it is not something these kids are used to.
You haven't called me out on anything. In fact, all you did was cry that I demolished your unsupported and lazy opinion with reality. You whined about me misquoting you, which I didn't do, and then ran immediately to your safe space to try and ban me from the forum just so you can feel better about yourself. What a baby.
Quote from: Solar on May 09, 2018, 01:43:50 PMWhenever I hit a lib site, I do my best to stick to the facts, not try and anger anyone, and definitely try and have a good debate, but this kid is just trolling and needed a timeout to think about his approach.
I don't believe you would ever go to a "lib site" because you're so fragile in your safe space here, that you literally have to block posts because they upset your delicate sensibilities. Such a snowflake.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on May 09, 2018, 06:58:49 PMYou got it wrong FIRST OF ALL It wasn't "America" or "Drumpf" that didn't honor the "agreement" IT WAS THE IRANIANS, That was just PROVEN by the literally TON of documents uncovred by Israeli operatives. Once Drumpf had the PROOF then he withdrew once he saw the "agreement" was Violated.
Wrong.
What Israel "revealed" was intelligence that pre-dated the Iran nuclear agreement. The IAEA confirms Iran in compliance with the deal. Secondly, if Iran violated the deal, the other 189 parties to the agreement would have pulled out too. But they didn't. Why? Because Iran didn't violate the deal. Israel pretended that old intelligence, from the Bush the Dumber days, was recent intelligence. Kinda like how you all used Clinton-era intelligence to manipulate the US into a war two years after Clinton left office and 5 years after that intelligence assessment from 1998.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on May 09, 2018, 06:58:49 PMSecond it isn't AMERICA's agreement or "deal", It is your Boy Hussein's, it is NOT a TREATY ratified by Congress LIKE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, it was Hussein with his pen and his phone. Drumpf has a pen and a phone just like it. AND as I recall (it was discussed on this board at the time) Cryin' Chuckie Schumer WAS AGAINST IT, so were a lot of others Dems who said it should have gone the correct route thru Capitol Hill and be a REAL TREATY.
No. Wrong again. The Iran Nuclear Review Act passed Congress in early 2015, and then a disapproval resolution failed in the Fall of 2015, which means the Iran Deal was approved.
And who cares if Schumer was opposed to it? It doesn't matter.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on May 09, 2018, 06:58:49 PMLast, if the other signature Countries Stay in this agreement WHICH IRAN HAS PROVED TO HAVE VIOLATED, what does that say about their word? Watch and see how quick they chicken out.
First of all, no, Iran hasn't violated the agreement. Not according to the UN or the IAEA or any of our European allies. What you think is a violation is Israel cherry-picking old intelligence. Which is exactly what Bush the Dumber and the Conservatives did with Iraq 15 years ago. And just like 15 years ago, you fell for it because you're gullible. And also just like 15 years ago, you won't bother to serve in this war either.
Derp -
You do realize that when you stumble into somebody else's house and immediately shit your pants, it won't go smoothly..... don't you ?
All you've done here is run your mouth like a little bitch since word one. What could go wrong with that, eh ?
And your sig line is a dead give-away for a little shit with delusions of importance. You will likely never have any importance, in any context, with your snarky little pantsload approach to life.
Enjoy your antics for as long as the folks enjoy making a fool of you.
Quote from: The Derp on May 11, 2018, 07:21:51 AM
Wrong.
What Israel "revealed" was intelligence that pre-dated the Iran nuclear agreement. The IAEA confirms Iran in compliance with the deal. Secondly, if Iran violated the deal, the other 189 parties to the agreement would have pulled out too. But they didn't. Why? Because Iran didn't violate the deal. Israel pretended that old intelligence, from the Bush the Dumber days, was recent intelligence. Kinda like how you all used Clinton-era intelligence to manipulate the US into a war two years after Clinton left office and 5 years after that intelligence assessment from 1998.
Israel revealed that the IAEA report was, itself, falsified data. Previous intelligence was used for a comparison.
Quote from: The Derp on May 11, 2018, 07:21:51 AM
No. Wrong again. The Iran Nuclear Review Act passed Congress in early 2015, and then a disapproval resolution failed in the Fall of 2015, which means the Iran Deal was approved.
A bill passed by congress using standard majority vote is a far cry from attaining a direct 2/3 vote from the senate that is required to ratify a treaty. The Iran Nuclear Review Act was nothing less than a typical end-run around the Constitution typical of the Obama administration and the demoncrap party as a whole.
Quote from: The Derp on May 11, 2018, 07:21:51 AMAnd who cares if Schumer was opposed to it? It doesn't matter.
The point is the pure hypocrisy that rules the demoncrap agenda these days. Schumer is complaining that Trump ended an agreement that Schumer was against when Obama (illegally) committed the United States to following.
Quote from: The Derp on May 11, 2018, 07:21:51 AMFirst of all, no, Iran hasn't violated the agreement. Not according to the UN or the IAEA or any of our European allies. What you think is a violation is Israel cherry-picking old intelligence. Which is exactly what Bush the Dumber and the Conservatives did with Iraq 15 years ago. And just like 15 years ago, you fell for it because you're gullible. And also just like 15 years ago, you won't bother to serve in this war either.
Appreciate how you spread the liberal lies without any type of critical thinking. Is there a thought that does NOT come straight out of the DNC handbook for progressive debate?
Quote from: zewazir on May 11, 2018, 07:39:43 AM
Israel revealed that the IAEA report was, itself, falsified data. Previous intelligence was used for a comparison.
A bill passed by congress using standard majority vote is a far cry from attaining a direct 2/3 vote from the senate that is required to ratify a treaty. The Iran Nuclear Review Act was nothing less than a typical end-run around the Constitution typical of the Obama administration and the demoncrap party as a whole.
The point is the pure hypocrisy that rules the demoncrap agenda these days. Schumer is complaining that Trump ended an agreement that Schumer was against when Obama (illegally) committed the United States to following.
Appreciate how you spread the liberal lies without any type of critical thinking. Is there a thought that does NOT come straight out of the DNC handbook for progressive debate?
DERP IS WRONG ON EVERYTHING! I AM NEW, BUT NOT TO POLITICS. GREAT COMMENTS BY ALL, EXCEPT NON-CONSRVATIVE DERP.
Here's a List of Major U.S. Allies Celebrating an End to the Iran Nuclear Deal.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2018/05/10/here-are-the-us-allies-celebrating-an-end-to-the-iran-nuclear-deal-n2479369
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QuoteTo say America has abandoned, ignored or upset all of its allies with the Iran decision is completely devoid of fact.
Quote from: walkstall on May 11, 2018, 08:56:37 AM
Here's a List of Major U.S. Allies Celebrating an End to the Iran Nuclear Deal.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2018/05/10/here-are-the-us-allies-celebrating-an-end-to-the-iran-nuclear-deal-n2479369
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How telling is it, when our M/E allies want peace, yet Europes Marxists want to continue with the status quo of M/E infighting?
Quote from: The Derp on May 11, 2018, 07:21:51 AM
Wrong.
What Israel "revealed" was intelligence that pre-dated the Iran nuclear agreement. The IAEA confirms Iran in compliance with the deal. Secondly, if Iran violated the deal, the other 189 parties to the agreement would have pulled out too. But they didn't. Why? Because Iran didn't violate the deal. Israel pretended that old intelligence, from the Bush the Dumber days, was recent intelligence. Kinda like how you all used Clinton-era intelligence to manipulate the US into a war two years after Clinton left office and 5 years after that intelligence assessment from 1998.
No. Wrong again. The Iran Nuclear Review Act passed Congress in early 2015, and then a disapproval resolution failed in the Fall of 2015, which means the Iran Deal was approved.
And who cares if Schumer was opposed to it? It doesn't matter.
First of all, no, Iran hasn't violated the agreement. Not according to the UN or the IAEA or any of our European allies. What you think is a violation is Israel cherry-picking old intelligence. Which is exactly what Bush the Dumber and the Conservatives did with Iraq 15 years ago. And just like 15 years ago, you fell for it because you're gullible. And also just like 15 years ago, you won't bother to serve in this war either.
"No. Wrong again. The Iran Nuclear Review Act passed Congress in early 2015, and then a disapproval resolution failed in the Fall of 2015, which means the Iran Deal was approved. " WRONG!. That is quite a stretch. The deal was never presented to Congress for approval. That is why Trump can trash it.
Quote from: LegalAmerican on May 11, 2018, 08:08:08 AM
DERP IS WRONG ON EVERYTHING! I AM NEW, BUT NOT TO POLITICS. GREAT COMMENTS BY ALL, EXCEPT NON-CONSRVATIVE DERP.
He is new and will probably go away soon.
The Derp eh?
Sounds more like The Perp!