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Offline The Derp

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Re: Trump Kills Iran Deal
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2018, 12:07:36 PM »
Euthanizing this Iran Agreement is far more important than huge;
it's potentially transformational, in a critical region of the world.
Further, it's a testament to the power of clear thinking w/a laser focus.
One hundred years ago Great Britain had a similar opportunity to transform
the ME and made a colossal hash of it; which still reverberates today.
Hopefully, a much wiser Drumpf will now seize the moment. Consider:
The Sunni Leaders of Saudi Arabia, Oman, the Emirates, Qatar, Kuwait,
Bahrain, Jordan and Iraq, immediately embraced Drumpf's decision.
These States have a comfort level w/Israel; so a coalition basis exists.
* What does it mean for Iran and its Muslim fanatics?
Serious danger for them, as we have the ballistic missiles while they have
the bull horns. Few grasp that the Iran Revolution in '79 was not a popular
uprising against the Phalevi Monarchy, rather it meant the rise of the Mullahs!
* What does it mean for Turkey and a political hustler such as Erdogan?
It is a veiled warning to the religious agitators, that we support a stable
and self-sufficient ME; able to stand on their own two feet in the world.
* What does this mean for China and the Korea's? Time to reflect long and hard!
* How about Britain, France and Germany?
For the former, time to toss PM Mizz May, a total loser; for the latter,
the same remedy for PM Lard Butt. As for France, who ruled the Levant
(Lebanon and Syria) for more than a century; here is an opportunity for
them to re-establish their role as wise counselor to the Arab.
* What about Donald Drumpf?
From this time forward his slogan should be, "Let them hate, as long as they fear."

Iran doesn't fear us or our unilateral sanctions.  Obama and Clinton got global sanctions on Iran; Trump hasn't built any kind of coalition that can impose sanctions strong enough to cripple Iran's economy.  He needs the rest of the world to go along with it.  Why?  Because Iran can simply just do deals with the other signatories to the agreement. 

The decision to violate the Iran Nuclear Agreement is stupid, impotent, and will be ineffective.
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Re: Trump Kills Iran Deal
« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2018, 12:35:31 PM »
Iran doesn't fear us or our unilateral sanctions.  Obama and Clinton got global sanctions on Iran; Trump hasn't built any kind of coalition that can impose sanctions strong enough to cripple Iran's economy.  He needs the rest of the world to go along with it.  Why?  Because Iran can simply just do deals with the other signatories to the agreement. 

The decision to violate the Iran Nuclear Agreement is stupid, impotent, and will be ineffective.
Have you noticed that you've lost your ass on every issue, every occurrence, and every situation for the last 24 months ?

This babbling belching bloviating bullshit of yours makes it seem like you don't realize this.

Do you realize that making ugly noise doesn't mean you win anything ?

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Re: Trump Kills Iran Deal
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2018, 12:51:19 PM »
Have you noticed that you've lost your ass on every issue, every occurrence, and every situation for the last 24 months ?

What issues?

You didn't win on tax policy; economic growth for Q1 2018 was below economic growth for Q4 2017.  The tax cuts took effect January 1st, 2018.  Economic growth for the first three months of the tax cut was below economic growth in the last three months prior to the tax cut.  Ergo, the tax cuts harmed economic growth.  That's winning?  According to whom?

Or are you referring to the 40+ legislative seats that have flipped from red to blue since Election Day 2016?  Or Doug Jones beating that GOP pedobear in Alabama?  Or a trans woman beating a Conservative incumbent who was fixated on bathrooms in VA?  More #winning?

Maybe you think #winning is the stock market contracting since January.
DJIA on 1/2/18:  24,719.22
DJIA on 5/8/18:  24,357.42

So you're #winning by losing 400 points on the Dow?

So what have you "won" on?  Because by my count, a GDP growth rate that didn't hit 3% in 2017, and dropped 0.6% in Q1 2018 indicates losing...unless Conservatives are going to try to redefine the word.  Is that what you're trying to do?
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Re: Trump Kills Iran Deal
« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2018, 12:53:59 PM »
This babbling belching bloviating bullshit of yours makes it seem like you don't realize this.

What is bullshit about anything I said?  Unilateral sanctions against Iran aren't going to do anything.  All you're doing by violating the deal is giving Iran an allowance to pursue a nuclear weapon -which they said yesterday they would do "in earnest"- and you're sending the message to every other rogue nation around the world that the word of the United States doesn't mean shit; we don't honor the agreements we sign.  Which is par for the course with Trump...do you personally also renege on agreements you make?
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Re: Trump Kills Iran Deal
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2018, 12:54:34 PM »
Euthanizing this Iran Agreement is far more important than huge;
it's potentially transformational, in a critical region of the world.
Further, it's a testament to the power of clear thinking w/a laser focus.
One hundred years ago Great Britain had a similar opportunity to transform
the ME and made a colossal hash of it; which still reverberates today.
Hopefully, a much wiser Trump will now seize the moment. Consider:
The Sunni Leaders of Saudi Arabia, Oman, the Emirates, Qatar, Kuwait,
Bahrain, Jordan and Iraq, immediately embraced Trump's decision.
These States have a comfort level w/Israel; so a coalition basis exists.
* What does it mean for Iran and its Muslim fanatics?
Serious danger for them, as we have the ballistic missiles while they have
the bull horns. Few grasp that the Iran Revolution in '79 was not a popular
uprising against the Phalevi Monarchy, rather it meant the rise of the Mullahs!
* What does it mean for Turkey and a political hustler such as Erdogan?
It is a veiled warning to the religious agitators, that we support a stable
and self-sufficient ME; able to stand on their own two feet in the world.
* What does this mean for China and the Korea's? Time to reflect long and hard!
* How about Britain, France and Germany?
For the former, time to toss PM Mizz May, a total loser; for the latter,
the same remedy for PM Lard Butt. As for France, who ruled the Levant
(Lebanon and Syria) for more than a century; here is an opportunity for
them to re-establish their role as wise counselor to the Arab.
* What about Donald Trump?
From this time forward his slogan should be, "Let them hate, as long as they fear."


 

I agree with you. If the Sunni nations align with Israel against the radical Islamist it is a game changer. Their 8th century model does not work in 2018 if they don't have the support of the Sunnis's.
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Re: Trump Kills Iran Deal
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2018, 12:58:34 PM »
Iran doesn't fear us or our unilateral sanctions.  Obama and Clinton got global sanctions on Iran; Trump hasn't built any kind of coalition that can impose sanctions strong enough to cripple Iran's economy.  He needs the rest of the world to go along with it.  Why?  Because Iran can simply just do deals with the other signatories to the agreement. 

The decision to violate the Iran Nuclear Agreement is stupid, impotent, and will be ineffective.

I think you are drinking the leftist kool-aid. Iran is an economic paper tiger. It is a wait and see to see what the Europeans do.
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Re: Trump Kills Iran Deal
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2018, 12:59:35 PM »
What is bullshit about anything I said?  Unilateral sanctions against Iran aren't going to do anything.  All you're doing by violating the deal is giving Iran an allowance to pursue a nuclear weapon -which they said yesterday they would do "in earnest"- and you're sending the message to every other rogue nation around the world that the word of the United States doesn't mean shit; we don't honor the agreements we sign.  Which is par for the course with Trump...do you personally also renege on agreements you make?
I see plenty of feelz, but precious little proof for your filibuster here.

Of course I would break/ renegotiate an agreement that sucks for me, if that's a legal option.  Especially if it was foisted on me by some moron / criminal, and it wasn't my doing originally.  What's it like on your planet ?

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Re: Trump Kills Iran Deal
« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2018, 01:02:01 PM »
I think you are drinking the leftist kool-aid. Iran is an economic paper tiger. It is a wait and see to see what the Europeans do.

You call Trump "wise" and you accuse me of drinking the Kool-aid?

The Europeans already have deals in place with Iran; lucrative deals that their private interests are never going to allow to be discarded. 

So you violate the Iran deal to impose sanctions that will...force Iran to the table to negotiate a deal that they just did a few years ago.

So you want to take three steps back to take one step forward.  How many steps does that leave you behind?
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Re: Trump Kills Iran Deal
« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2018, 01:06:18 PM »
You call Trump "wise" and you accuse me of drinking the Kool-aid?

The Europeans already have deals in place with Iran; lucrative deals that their private interests are never going to allow to be discarded. 

So you violate the Iran deal to impose sanctions that will...force Iran to the table to negotiate a deal that they just did a few years ago.

So you want to take three steps back to take one step forward.  How many steps does that leave you behind?

Where did I call Trump "wise" in this thread?
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Re: Trump Kills Iran Deal
« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2018, 01:08:41 PM »
Where did I call Trump "wise" in this thread?
This guy's all over the place.

A veritable blitzkrieg of feelz, falsehoods, empty claims, and tactical annoyance.

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Re: Trump Kills Iran Deal
« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2018, 01:17:17 PM »
I see plenty of feelz, but precious little proof for your filibuster here.

Now you're just spitting out words because you have no coherent argument to make in favor of violating the Iran deal.

Fact is, sanctions don't work when we're the only one imposing them.  That's not a feeling, that's a fact.  Sanctions only work when the whole world goes along with them, which is what Obama and Clinton got them to do.  You Trumpanzees are incapable of building coalitions because all you know is destruction.  You're really good at knocking things down, but you come up real short when it comes to building things back up.

Why would Iran negotiate with the US now, since no other major party to the agreement is going along with Trump?  Can you answer that question, or are you going to gaslight it because you're a lightweight?



Of course I would break/ renegotiate an agreement that sucks for me

How did the Iran Agreement "suck" for us?  We got Iran to give up their nuke program, and we allowed American businesses to resume doing business with Iran, including oil companies.  I don't think you have any idea why you oppose the Iran deal other than the fact that it was Obama who got it.  Obama did what Bush the Dumber and the proto-teabags couldn't; he got Iran to give up their nuclear program.  A nuke program that grew during Bush the Dumber, and will resume once again under Trump, just like Iran said yesterday.

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, if that's a legal option.  Especially if it was foisted on me by some moron / criminal, and it wasn't my doing originally.  What's it like on your planet ?

The only criminal here is Trump.  Iran was abiding by the deal, Obama got the entire world to go along with it.  I think you just want a war that you won't fight yourself.
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Re: Trump Kills Iran Deal
« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2018, 01:23:30 PM »
Obama did it first and the sanctions worked to force Iran to the negotiating table.  Why would Iran go back to the table now, with the US being the only nation to impose sanctions?  Unilateral sanctions don't work.
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« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2018, 01:26:50 PM »
Where did I call Drumpf "wise" in this thread?

You said you agreed with that other poster's assessment that "a wiser Trump" would be able to magically do what no one else has been able to accomplish.
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Re: Trump Kills Iran Deal
« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2018, 01:29:01 PM »
Changing a quote is forbidden! Are you looking to get booted?

I didn't change your quote.  In fact, I took careful pains to quote you directly.  If I misquoted you somehow, it's because you recognized the hideousness of what you said and are looking for a red herring to avoid answering for it.

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Re: Trump Kills Iran Deal
« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2018, 01:31:26 PM »
You said you agreed with that other poster's assessment that "a wiser Trump" would be able to magically do what no one else has been able to accomplish.
OK, that's it, take a timeout. I warned you about editing quotes.
Here's the thing, if you want to post here, you must back up your claims with actual stats, not opinion pieces, but actual facts.
Also, baiting and insulting members is uncalled for, but an actual debate is welcome, so take a break and you''re more than welcome to come back and back up your arguments.
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