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Title: Trump Jitters - rock Coulter...?
Post by: Hoofer on May 15, 2017, 07:07:56 AM
I still love Ann Coulter ...  she's intellectual porn for me.  I love to hear singlehandedly take apart Liberals, cutting their hearts out like a surgeon.   ....and had this feeling, she wasn't really *that* far away from Conservatism - she was just seeing the discontent clearer & more concise than most of us can.

If Ted Cruz had taken Trump's tact, zeroing in as Trump did on American discontent, we might be saying, POTUS Cruz today.   Trump is just a better bare knuckle fighter - and he won.   We don't like everything he's doing, -but- sure like the progress of overturning the multitude of last minute regulations Obama put in place.

Guess who's getting a little squirmy lately?  Yup, it's Ann Coulter.   Here's an interesting, condensed interview, please take a couple of minutes and read it, maybe you'll agree, she's not that far off the reservation... and has a bit of buyer's-remorse settling in.   Like most of us, she wants Trump to follow through on his promises.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/14/ann-coulter-is-worried-the-trump-haters-were-right/

I admire her lack of tact with Liberals, and frank honesty, we could use more like that in the news media.


So, the question, still haunting us:   Can or should we continue to trust Donald Trump to promote Constitutional Conservative cases, or is Trump beginning to "slip" into the Democrat mold we're too familiar with?
Title: Re: Trump Jitters - rock Coulter...?
Post by: Solar on May 15, 2017, 08:55:44 AM
I wouldn't expect anything Conservative from Trump, EVER! But if we get a crumb here and there, we'll accept it.
Trump's always been a lib, though the party may have left him, he never really left the party as a 60s Dim.
Title: Re: Trump Jitters - rock Coulter...?
Post by: supsalemgr on May 15, 2017, 10:02:15 AM
Quote from: Solar on May 15, 2017, 08:55:44 AM
I wouldn't expect anything Conservative from Trump, EVER! But if we get a crumb here and there, we'll accept it.
Trump's always been a lib, though the party may have left him, he never really left the party as a 60s Dim.

So far we have gotten more than I anticipated. His border positions and support for law enforcement is encouraging. His appointments have been pretty good. He is not dedicated to maintaining GOPe ideas and that is good in my book.
Title: Re: Trump Jitters - rock Coulter...?
Post by: Solar on May 15, 2017, 10:15:40 AM
Quote from: supsalemgr on May 15, 2017, 10:02:15 AM
So far we have gotten more than I anticipated. His border positions and support for law enforcement is encouraging. His appointments have been pretty good. He is not dedicated to maintaining GOPe ideas and that is good in my book.
Yeah, kinda odd, he's given us some pretty good stuff, but the stuff promised on the campaign trail has not come to fruition.
Title: Re: Trump Jitters - rock Coulter...?
Post by: supsalemgr on May 15, 2017, 11:14:02 AM
Quote from: Solar on May 15, 2017, 10:15:40 AM
Yeah, kinda odd, he's given us some pretty good stuff, but the stuff promised on the campaign trail has not come to fruition.

I think part of his problem is he had no idea how corrupt Washington is. GOPe is not going to help him and probably looking for ways to throw him under the bus.
Title: Re: Trump Jitters - rock Coulter...?
Post by: Solar on May 15, 2017, 12:19:10 PM
Quote from: supsalemgr on May 15, 2017, 11:14:02 AM
I think part of his problem is he had no idea how corrupt Washington is. GOPe is not going to help him and probably looking for ways to throw him under the bus.
Absolutely!!! All he really knew of either party was from a Dim perspective, where hobnobbing with elite leftists was how business was done, he had no clue that his every move had been planned way ahead of time by backroom Dim/commie members.

Must have been a shock to discover he never actually deals one on one with the GOP like he did as a civilian, nor can he seem to grasp the fact that they have been routing him since day one.
I really can't blame Trump for some of his failures, those are a direct result of leftists in the GOP.
Title: Re: Trump Jitters - rock Coulter...?
Post by: supsalemgr on May 15, 2017, 12:36:43 PM
Quote from: Solar on May 15, 2017, 12:19:10 PM
Absolutely!!! All he really knew of either party was from a Dim perspective, where hobnobbing with elite leftists was how business was done, he had no clue that his every move had been planned way ahead of time by backroom Dim/commie members.

Must have been a shock to discover he never actually deals one on one with the GOP like he did as a civilian, nor can he seem to grasp the fact that they have been routing him since day one.
I really can't blame Trump for some of his failures, those are a direct result of leftists in the GOP.

I hope he figures out the only republicans that probably have his back are members of the "Freedom Caucus".
Title: Re: Trump Jitters - rock Coulter...?
Post by: Possum on May 15, 2017, 02:18:41 PM
Quote from: supsalemgr on May 15, 2017, 11:14:02 AM
I think part of his problem is he had no idea how corrupt Washington is. GOPe is not going to help him and probably looking for ways to throw him under the bus.
As a business man who had to deal with politicians, I believe he knew how corrupt they were. As potus, he can not sweeten the deal with donations. Now he is finding out they are also spoiled, arrogant, grandstanding,..........in addition to corrupt. And when both sides of the table are spoiled, arrogant, grandstanding... it makes it really difficult to make a deal.
Title: Re: Trump Jitters - rock Coulter...?
Post by: quiller on May 15, 2017, 02:30:06 PM
Ann Coulter's ability to rush a hasty decision into print is exceeded only by her ability to backtrack once she says something and then reverses course (or, in this case, tempering her early zeal for Hairzilla).

Da puppy-love, it be broken.

She's not really alone, though. Here at CPF, I've seen many early leaps to back Thus-And-So, over this-'n'-that...and then that same person changes and raves over someone else. What's disturbing is how fast Annie leaped, to begin with. I may not like a "troglodyte" whose opinion never changes, but I mistrust even more some will-of-the-wisp who can't restrain that opinion until more facts are in.

It's no sin to mistrust a loudmouth in a truly great suit.
Title: Re: Trump Jitters - rock Coulter...?
Post by: quiller on May 15, 2017, 02:37:45 PM
Quote from: s3779m on May 15, 2017, 02:18:41 PM
As a business man who had to deal with politicians, I believe he knew how corrupt they were. As potus, he can not sweeten the deal with donations. Now he is finding out they are also spoiled, arrogant, grandstanding,..........in addition to corrupt. And when both sides of the table are spoiled, arrogant, grandstanding... it makes it really difficult to make a deal.

By all indications, our Founding Fathers (there! sexist language!) knew damned well the foibles and avarices of the average scumbag legislator. At the time our Constitution was finally made into law, the Founders did everything they could to install checks and balances.

They institutionalized gridlock. Gridlock is good when liberals can't control spending. It's even better when Republicans can't, as well, but we can't have everything. What we can hope for is they get all their powder wet, or use it up before truly important fights arise.
Title: Re: Trump Jitters - rock Coulter...?
Post by: ldub23 on May 15, 2017, 04:20:40 PM
I like how Coulter ripped Mike LEE for wanting to be liked by dems by pushing a liberal for FBI director. Now MacConnell is pushing for Garland as well.
Title: Re: Trump Jitters - rock Coulter...?
Post by: Solar on May 15, 2017, 05:53:54 PM
Quote from: ldub23 on May 15, 2017, 04:20:40 PM
I like how Coulter ripped Mike LEE for wanting to be liked by dems by pushing a liberal for FBI director. Now MacConnell is pushing for Garland as well.
Don't be fooled by any of this, it's pure politics and Coulter has a direct line to the Establishment. The "E" Whore does as instructed.
Title: Re: Trump Jitters - rock Coulter...?
Post by: Cryptic Bert on May 15, 2017, 06:25:46 PM
I think she needs to go away for a while.
Title: Re: Trump Jitters - rock Coulter...?
Post by: ldub23 on May 15, 2017, 07:45:22 PM
Quote from: Solar on May 15, 2017, 05:53:54 PM
Don't be fooled by any of this, it's pure politics and Coulter has a direct line to the Establishment. The "E" Whore does as instructed.

Its Lee pushing for a  liberal, not Coulter. Perhaps the "E" fits him pretty well.
Title: Re: Trump Jitters - rock Coulter...?
Post by: Solar on May 15, 2017, 08:46:21 PM
Quote from: ldub23 on May 15, 2017, 07:45:22 PM
Its Lee pushing for a  liberal, not Coulter. Perhaps the "E" fits him pretty well.
Like I said, it's politics and we're nowhere close to understanding the minutia going on behind the scenes.
If it upsets Coulter, then in my book, good, piss on the bitch, she sold out Conservatives years ago.
Title: Re: Trump Jitters - rock Coulter...?
Post by: ldub23 on May 16, 2017, 03:22:24 AM
Quote from: Solar on May 15, 2017, 08:46:21 PM
Like I said, it's politics and we're nowhere close to understanding the minutia going on behind the scenes.
If it upsets Coulter, then in my book, good, piss on the bitch, she sold out Conservatives years ago.

What about in front of the scenes? What conservative legislation is in place due to Mike Lee's efforts? And as Coulter says  if the border isnt secured then conservatives will be nothing  more than farts in the wind.
Title: Re: Trump Jitters - rock Coulter...?
Post by: Solar on May 16, 2017, 06:24:48 AM
Quote from: ldub23 on May 16, 2017, 03:22:24 AM
What about in front of the scenes? What conservative legislation is in place due to Mike Lee's efforts? And as Coulter says  if the border isnt secured then conservatives will be nothing  more than farts in the wind.
Something tells me you only recently discovered Coulter's wit.
Like I said, it's politics, where jostling for position, where picking up a coin, appears to the opposition as an invite for anal sex, so what we see and what is actually happening can be two completely different things.
Instead of jumping to conclusions, find out why he said it, but taking advice from the likes of Ann is akin to tax advice from the homeless.

http://www.redstate.com/jaycaruso/2017/05/11/mike-lees-idea-merrick-garland-head-fbi-isnt-crazy-wont-happen/
Title: Re: Trump Jitters - rock Coulter...?
Post by: Hoofer on May 16, 2017, 08:36:37 AM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on May 15, 2017, 06:25:46 PM
I think she needs to go away for a while.

Smartest thing said about Ann Coulter in a long time.


Looking back, I think her choice to back Trump was well-calculated, considering the field of candidates.   She might have believed a Cruz vs Clinton wasn't going to make it, but Trump was the only path to the White House.... as much as we detest the idea - I give her credit for seeing the discontent of middle Americans.   It played out the way she expected it, Trump won, but keeping him catering to Conservatism is a *real* problem.   She's admitting that much, and sending the message, "Abandon the Constitutional Conservative agenda - the stuff that got you elected - and even "I" (Ann Coulter), who supported you from the get go - will say "goodbye!"

Now that she's said that, hit the beach, relax, and enjoy a Margarita or two... or stay in the spot light and face the arrows.

If you've listened to a little bit of Hannity lately, his hand-wringing defense of Trump is indicative of the waning support Trump *had*.   There's been a a good number of accomplishments rolling back Obama's last minute regulations, but that's the House taking the initative - OK - where's the DEAL-MAKER in the WH who's driving the so-called Conservative agenda?   We still got Obama-care, the wall isn't being built, where's the funding for it?

In front of the cameras, I like Donald Trump.   Behind the scenes... I think Ted Cruz might wield the reins of power more effectively.  The problem we're beginning to see, and that I think Ann Coulter is describing, Trump is fine in his own business world, where he has the final say how Capitol is funded & spent - this isn't Trump's world, this is like a CEO with a board of hostile executives... Trump SUCKS without *leverage*.  Trump has no way to "grease the skids" of his agenda - the back-room dealing ended when he took the POTUS position... now it's all public, he's lost his tools-of-the-trade.   Or, maybe I should say, if Trump tries to use the tools-of-the-trade, he'll surely be brought up on Impeachment charges of corruption.

Never Trumpers said Trump would SUCK as a POTUS.  I think Ann Coulter is suggesting, if he can't get his agenda he campaigned on, back on track - they're right, Trump sucks.


The biggest mistake a Trump Presidency could possibly make, IMO, alienate the media people and the brains that got you where you are - "you gotta dance with the one who brought ya!".

If Trump loses Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, Steven Bannon, Michael Savage, Laura Ingraham, Alex Jones, and Rush's support starts showing signs of cracks...whoa!   IMO, it's *over* for Donald Trump, and I believe the MSM and Democrats understand the necessity of that relationship is tied to Trump's success.  Unfortunately, for Trump, the people closest to him, his family, is probably giving him terrible advice.   

Glenn Beck is a paranoid conspiracy theorist, IMO.  He'd be perfectly happy with predicting the demise of America - so he  could say, "See!  I told you so!!!"   I personally believe he is so far removed from DC, and alienated himself from the MSM, he's full of BS & makes Alex Jones sound *reasonable*... well, sort of.   I've never given much thought to those who lick their finger, stick it up in the air, and run with whatever direction the political winds are blowing.

At least Steven Bannon has/had a plan that sounded pretty darn good to enough Americans to elect a POTUS.
If it takes the likes of Coulter, Jones, Rush, Hannity & Ingraham to publicize the agenda - then *WHY* would Trump shot himself in the foot?   I think Ann Coulter might be lamenting Trump's decision making as well as the rest of us...