God, I hate to be an "I TOLD YA SO", but...
Republican President Donald Trump declared a political jihad on Thursday morning against the principled constitutional conservatives who opposed RINO Paul Ryan's failed health care scheme that was deceptively purported to repeal Obamacare but didn't — keeping Obamacare's infrastructure in place and many of the free market-killing regulations, mandates and subsidies that caused health care insurance premiums and deductibles to unnecessarily skyrocket the past seven years.
Rather than take responsibility for getting duped by Paul Ryan
51%
, RINO John Boehner's hand-picked successor into supporting a bill that could not pass — a bill that only had a minuscule 17 percent approval from the American people — Trump threatened the House Freedom Caucus — saying that "we must fight them" and the Democrats in the 2018 elections.
http://politistick.com/trump-declares-war-conservatives-rinocare-fail/
Nobody liked the repeal because Americans mainly support medicare for all, and like medicare and medicaid.
The freedom caucus turned against the bill because the public beat down congress door to maintain key provisions of the ACA.
I.E. expanded medicaid, pre-existing conditions, staying on your parents plans longer.
The American people do not support in majorities the freedom caucus plans period. Its not even close. To have their will overrun the majority would be to advocated marxism.
Its that simple. They had to change and change and change the bill because republicans were getting hammered at home.
IMO, Sanders is going to introduce a single payer in the next week and trumps gonna hop on board and its going to happen.
The TEA party is over.
Not against conservatives either. Against extreme neo-reactionary republicans.
Quote from: blake allyn on March 30, 2017, 10:08:00 AM
Nobody liked the repeal because Americans mainly support medicare for all, and like medicare and medicaid.
The freedom caucus turned against the bill because the public beat down congress door to maintain key provisions of the ACA.
I.E. expanded medicaid, pre-existing conditions, staying on your parents plans longer.
The American people do not support in majorities the freedom caucus plans period. Its not even close. To have their will overrun the majority would be to advocated marxism.
Its that simple. They had to change and change and change the bill because republicans were getting hammered at home.
IMO, Sanders is going to introduce a single payer in the next week and trumps gonna hop on board and its going to happen.
The TEA party is over.
We've been over this and you admitted you lied when you made this same ridiculous claim earlier.
Admit it, your claim is representative of libs in NY proper, not the rest of the nation.
And no, TEA is not dead, you can't kill American values, they do not die.
Quote from: Solar on March 30, 2017, 10:15:50 AM
We've been over this and you admitted you lied when you made this same ridiculous claim earlier.
Admit it, your claim is representative of libs in NY proper, not the rest of the nation.
And no, TEA is not dead, you can't kill American values, they do not die.
I admitted I lied about what?
You just lied. Grow up.
American values have changed. They used to be slavery.
Now we have joined the rest of the world in our population supporting medicare for all. For 40 years polls have shown that over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
The freedom(marxist) caucus is dead. Thank god.
The marxists lost. Thank god.
Quote from: blake allyn on March 30, 2017, 10:27:27 AM
I admitted I lied about what?
You just lied. Grow up.
Bull Shit!!! You made that same ridiculous claim about the majority of the nation supporting socialized medicine, I proved you wrong using the Gallup poll you posted, so cut the crap!
If I have to go dig it up to prove you wrong again, it will be the last time we'll see your posts.
QuoteAmerican values have changed. They used to be slavery.
Now we have joined the rest of the world in our population supporting medicare for all. For 40 years polls have shown that over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
The freedom(marxist) caucus is dead. Thank god.
The marxists lost. Thank god.
Back that shit up with proof! I'm getting sick of your bull shit trolling, we're not that kind of forum, we speak only truth here, not this made up emotional outrage lib shit you're pulling.
Now either back up your claim or admit you lied.
Quote from: Solar on March 30, 2017, 11:59:16 AM
Bull Shit!!! You made that same ridiculous claim about the majority of the nation supporting socialized medicine, I proved you wrong using the Gallup poll you posted, so cut the crap!
If I have to go dig it up to prove you wrong again, it will be the last time we'll see your posts.
Back that shit up with proof! I'm getting sick of your bull shit trolling, we're not that kind of forum, we speak only truth here, not this made up emotional outrage lib shit you're pulling.
Now either back up your claim or admit you lied.
First off I have no clue what bs claim you are making that I lied. But I will provide numerous polls below showing majority support for federally funded healthcare guranteed for all.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/191504/majority-support-idea-fed-funded-healthcare-system.aspx
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/03/27/how-do-americans-feel-about-single-payer-health-care-its-complicated/?utm_term=.9a5b19e055da
http://pnhp.org/blog/2015/12/17/kaiser-poll-58-of-americans-support-medicare-for-all/
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/SunMo_poll_0209.pdf
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/new-poll-finds-large-increase-in-support-for-government-backed-health-care-coverage-over-past-year
The poll also found that a 63 percent to 21 percent majority favors a universal health care system -- by party affiliation the breakdown is 33 percent Republican, 87 percent Democrat and 61 percent independent. And a 76 percent to 24 percent majority also agrees that since most other advanced countries can afford to provide universal health insurance, so could this country.
"In addition, an overwhelming 84 percent to 16 percent majority believes that having a system that ensures that sick people get the care they need is a moral issue. That includes 75 percent of Republicans and 91 percent of Democrats."
http://www.theharrispoll.com/politics/Health-Care-Moral-Issue.html
I can keep going sand going and going and going!!
You lied, you marxist, because you continue to assert I lied when I didn't.
You have been exposed as the hack you are. Nobody agrees with your garbage tea party politics.
Quote from: blake allyn on March 30, 2017, 12:37:20 PM
First off I have no clue what bs claim you are making that I lied. But I will provide numerous polls below showing majority support for federally funded healthcare guranteed for all.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/191504/majority-support-idea-fed-funded-healthcare-system.aspx
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/03/27/how-do-americans-feel-about-single-payer-health-care-its-complicated/?utm_term=.9a5b19e055da
http://pnhp.org/blog/2015/12/17/kaiser-poll-58-of-americans-support-medicare-for-all/
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/SunMo_poll_0209.pdf
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/new-poll-finds-large-increase-in-support-for-government-backed-health-care-coverage-over-past-year
The poll also found that a 63 percent to 21 percent majority favors a universal health care system -- by party affiliation the breakdown is 33 percent Republican, 87 percent Democrat and 61 percent independent. And a 76 percent to 24 percent majority also agrees that since most other advanced countries can afford to provide universal health insurance, so could this country.
"In addition, an overwhelming 84 percent to 16 percent majority believes that having a system that ensures that sick people get the care they need is a moral issue. That includes 75 percent of Republicans and 91 percent of Democrats."
http://www.theharrispoll.com/politics/Health-Care-Moral-Issue.html
I can keep going sand going and going and going!!
You lied, you marxist, because you continue to assert I lied when I didn't.
You have been exposed as the hack you are. Nobody agrees with your garbage tea party politics.
Are those the same polling sources that said Hillary would win?
Quote from: taxed on March 30, 2017, 01:20:16 PM
Are those the same polling sources that said Hillary would win?
Not all polling sources said hillary would win moron. Perhaps you dont know what a margin of error is?
However, predicting and election result and polling on an issue are two entirely different things for reasons bovious to a 5 year old, but not to idiots with their head in the sand.
I'm not sure the majority polls are accurate, but I don't think they are relevant. The last time I checked, this is a constitutional Republic and not a Democracy. Besides the election, what the majority wants should have little influence on our rule of government because majorities can go the wrong way relative to our Constitutional foundation.
Our country was founded on and should continue to pursue less government control - not more; e.g., eliminate government controlled health care. I'm behind the Freedom Caucus. And Trump has a good path to take - repeal any government led health care and put the decisions back into the hands of those who work for it and can pay for it.
Quote from: blake allyn on March 30, 2017, 12:37:20 PM
First off I have no clue what bs claim you are making that I lied. But I will provide numerous polls below showing majority support for federally funded healthcare guranteed for all.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/191504/majority-support-idea-fed-funded-healthcare-system.aspx
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/03/27/how-do-americans-feel-about-single-payer-health-care-its-complicated/?utm_term=.9a5b19e055da
http://pnhp.org/blog/2015/12/17/kaiser-poll-58-of-americans-support-medicare-for-all/
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/SunMo_poll_0209.pdf
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/new-poll-finds-large-increase-in-support-for-government-backed-health-care-coverage-over-past-year
The poll also found that a 63 percent to 21 percent majority favors a universal health care system -- by party affiliation the breakdown is 33 percent Republican, 87 percent Democrat and 61 percent independent. And a 76 percent to 24 percent majority also agrees that since most other advanced countries can afford to provide universal health insurance, so could this country.
"In addition, an overwhelming 84 percent to 16 percent majority believes that having a system that ensures that sick people get the care they need is a moral issue. That includes 75 percent of Republicans and 91 percent of Democrats."
http://www.theharrispoll.com/politics/Health-Care-Moral-Issue.html
I can keep going sand going and going and going!!
You lied, you marxist, because you continue to assert I lied when I didn't.
You have been exposed as the hack you are. Nobody agrees with your garbage tea party politics.
You and I both know this is not the poll you originally cited.
Do you want to keep moving the goal post and take a timeout, or concede you lied?
Don't play this game kid, I will kick your ass and expose you for the idiot you are. You don't have near enough years to step up with the big dogs, you wet behind the ears little shit.
Quote from: blake allyn on March 30, 2017, 01:25:56 PM
Not all polling sources said hillary would win moron. Perhaps you dont know what a margin of error is?
However, predicting and election result and polling on an issue are two entirely different things for reasons bovious to a 5 year old, but not to idiots with their head in the sand.
When should we pay attention to them?
Quote from: blake allyn on March 30, 2017, 10:08:00 AM
Nobody liked the repeal because Americans mainly support medicare for all, and like medicare and medicaid.
The freedom caucus turned against the bill because the public beat down congress door to maintain key provisions of the ACA.
I.E. expanded medicaid, pre-existing conditions, staying on your parents plans longer.
The American people do not support in majorities the freedom caucus plans period. Its not even close. To have their will overrun the majority would be to advocated marxism.
Its that simple. They had to change and change and change the bill because republicans were getting hammered at home.
IMO, Sanders is going to introduce a single payer in the next week and trumps gonna hop on board and its going to happen.
The TEA party is over.
YOU LIE.......!
Quote from: Solar on March 30, 2017, 01:53:28 PM
You and I both know this is not the poll you originally cited.
Do you want to keep moving the goal post and take a timeout, or concede you lied?
Don't play this game kid, I will kick your ass and expose you for the idiot you are. You don't have near enough years to step up with the big dogs, you wet behind the ears little shit.
Hey toiled I have urined on 50 times, I cited 6 polls there. You told me not to cite the same one you idiot so I didn.t
I see you have no response for these you piece of garbage. I own you.
Quote from: blake allyn on March 30, 2017, 04:04:20 PM
Hey toiled I have urined on 50 times, I cited 6 polls there. You told me not to cite the same one you idiot so I didn.t
"Hey toiled I have urined on 50 times"? WTF? :lol: :lol: :lol:
QuoteI see you have no response for these you piece of garbage. I own you.
I told you don't make me dig up your old post to prove you're a liar, but you did, and now you will take a timeout and learn to act like an adult.
Quote from: Solar on March 28, 2017, 02:13:32 PM
So in essence, you lied when you claimed "poll that 60% of the pop wants single payer."
"Overall, 43% of Democrats and Democratic leaners support a so-called single payer approach,"
Your response:
Quote from: blake allyn on March 28, 2017, 02:23:59 PM
Your right, I should have said medicare for all. I wasn't lying misspoke. But you are correct.
http://theresurgent.com/freedom-caucus-mic-drops-on-trump-threat/
QuoteWell apparently those Tweets did nothing to scare caucus members – in fact they may have had exactly the opposite effect, as noted by the great responses from today and earlier in the week mentioned in a Roll Call story from earlier today:
Rep. Trent Franks (AZ): "If somebody can get to the right of me in the primary, God bless him."
Caucus chairman Rep. Mark Meadows (NC): "I don't know of too many people who can challenge me from the right."
Rep. Scott DesJarlais (TN): "In my district, we're very conservative, so if he gets me out office, he's going to get someone more conservative than me."
Virginia Rep. Dave Brat offered his own theory as to what may have led to the President's posts.
"Whoever is in the President's ear isn't giving him the full story on what we're trying to achieve," Brat said.
Franks also seemed to point a finger at establishment Republicans in what may have been a veiled reference to Speaker Paul Ryan.
"I think Congress failed the President rather than the other way around, and I can understand his frustration."
For his part, Ryan apparently also understands but stopped well short of defending the Freedom Caucus.
I love the Trump rallies and Breitbart who boo'd (rightfully) Paul Ryan at every turn, yet Trump wants to get them on board to support Ryan's plan?
This whole thing is just odd.
Quote from: taxed on March 30, 2017, 06:07:47 PM
http://theresurgent.com/freedom-caucus-mic-drops-on-trump-threat/
I love the Trump rallies and Breitbart who boo'd (rightfully) Paul Ryan at every turn, yet Trump wants to get them on board to support Ryan's plan?
This whole thing is just odd.
Trumpsters are eerily quiet, but those that are commenting are livid, screaming that they were lied to, embarrassed because so many people had warned them that he was a lib and they defended him.
I kind of feel sorry for them, they invested all this
'Emotion' into his getting elected, and then this happens, some seem to be on the verge of a breakdown.
Quote from: Solar on March 30, 2017, 07:35:02 PM
Trumpsters are eerily quiet, but those that are commenting are livid, screaming that they were lied to, embarrassed because so many people had warned them that he was a lib and they defended him.
I kind of feel sorry for them, they invested all this 'Emotion' into his getting elected, and then this happens, some seem to be on the verge of a breakdown.
I have a close Trumper friend and he's pissed in a major way. He kept saying "Trump said during the campaign....." and I had to remind him how we had to navigate all that. He hates Paul Ryan and when I framed it that Trump is aligning with Ryan and attacking those who want to repeal, he about melted down.
Quote from: taxed on March 30, 2017, 07:38:47 PM
I have a close Trumper friend and he's pissed in a major way. He kept saying "Trump said during the campaign....." and I had to remind him how we had to navigate all that. He hates Paul Ryan and when I framed it that Trump is aligning with Ryan and attacking those who want to repeal, he about melted down.
I felt like poking the ol stick into the wound, but I don't think they need my help going over the edge. I don't want to be responsible for a Trumper going Postal.
Trump has tomorrow to repair this bull shit, or he can kiss a majority of his base support goodbye. Monday will be too late, too many getting together overt a Spring BBQ, discussing of all things, how Trump screwed them.
Quote from: blake allyn on March 30, 2017, 10:12:25 AM
Not against conservatives either. Against extreme neo-reactionary republicans.
Okay, Bright Eyes. Trot out your definition of what you just drooled.
Quote from: blake allyn on March 30, 2017, 04:04:20 PM
Hey toiled I have urined on 50 times, I cited 6 polls there. You told me not to cite the same one you idiot so I didn.t
I see you have no response for these you piece of garbage. I own you.
No, drooler, you do not. As for your "urined" 50 times, you wanna translate that drool?
Quote from: Solar on March 30, 2017, 07:46:54 PM
I felt like poking the ol stick into the wound, but I don't think they need my help going over the edge. I don't want to be responsible for a Trumper going Postal.
Trump has tomorrow to repair this bull shit, or he can kiss a majority of his base support goodbye. Monday will be too late, too many getting together overt a Spring BBQ, discussing of all things, how Trump screwed them.
That's a good point... like election seasons over Thanksgiving. Needless to say it will be interesting.
Quote from: taxed on March 30, 2017, 08:07:44 PM
That's a good point... like election seasons over Thanksgiving. Needless to say it will be interesting.
Or Cinco De Mayo, when they get drunk and question his commitment to the wall.
Remember how vocal this group was during the campaign? No doubt they'll let him know just how angry they are as soon as
Soros starts funding rabble rousers across the country.I think we can count on that like the sun coming up in the morning....
This disagreement between Trump and the Freedom Caucus will be short lived. Trump will figure out he needs them.
Quote from: supsalemgr on March 31, 2017, 05:21:26 AM
This disagreement between Trump and the Freedom Caucus will be short lived. Trump will figure out he needs them.
I can't believe someone didn't tell him, the FC and TEA are one in the same as his entire base, they're all connected ideologically.
We aren't like a group of libs, from gay to Feminazi and Muscum, all of which despise one another.
No, we all agree on the basics, that it's for the good of the nation.
Someone better straighten his ass out fast or it's the beginning of his end.
Quote from: supsalemgr on March 31, 2017, 05:21:26 AM
This disagreement between Trump and the Freedom Caucus will be short lived. Trump will figure out he needs them.
I had a thought. What if Trump told the Freedom Caucus he was going to throw them under the bus in order to gain steps toward working with some Dims on some topics - to get that voting block to break up a little. It's a total conspiracy theory, but it's an interesting one. No - I have no evidence of it. Just wishing.
Is there any hope that some of the Dims will peal off of the party line if Trump shows them a path to participating and not wasting their sorry Dim careers losing again and again? If that happened, it would be a major win - and get our government spending their time on productive things rather than revisiting what happened in the last election - again and again (and again).
Quote from: topside on March 31, 2017, 05:42:31 AM
I had a thought. What if Trump told the Freedom Caucus he was going to throw them under the bus in order to gain steps toward working with some Dims on some topics - to get that voting block to break up a little. It's a total conspiracy theory, but it's an interesting one. No - I have no evidence of it. Just wishing.
Is there any hope that some of the Dims will peal off of the party line if Trump shows them a path to participating and not wasting their sorry Dim careers losing again and again? If that happened, it would be a major win - and get our government spending their time on productive things rather than revisiting what happened in the last election - again and again (and again).
You aren't alone, his entire base is hoping there's a valid explanation for the nonsense, though I fear there is not because trump has always been a Dim.
Quote from: Solar on March 31, 2017, 05:52:36 AM
You aren't alone, his entire base is hoping there's a valid explanation for the nonsense, though I fear there is not because trump has always been a Dim.
Yep, the emperor is removing his clothes.
Quote from: s3779m on March 31, 2017, 06:08:11 AM
Yep, the emperor is removing his clothes.
Aye' and a hideous sight it is...
Quote from: topside on March 31, 2017, 05:42:31 AM
I had a thought. What if Trump told the Freedom Caucus he was going to throw them under the bus in order to gain steps toward working with some Dims on some topics - to get that voting block to break up a little. It's a total conspiracy theory, but it's an interesting one. No - I have no evidence of it. Just wishing.
Is there any hope that some of the Dims will peal off of the party line if Trump shows them a path to participating and not wasting their sorry Dim careers losing again and again? If that happened, it would be a major win - and get our government spending their time on productive things rather than revisiting what happened in the last election - again and again (and again).
This strategy will not work for Trump. I live n Mark Meadows' district. His response was he can't find someone to the right of him. He knows the makeup of his district.
Quote from: supsalemgr on March 31, 2017, 08:11:18 AM
This strategy will not work for Trump. I live n Mark Meadows' district. His response was he can't find someone to the right of him. He knows the makeup of his district.
First - good job NC in putting Mark Meadows in congress that is about our founding values. Well done!
I'm trying to interpret what you are saying. In doing so I found this:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/mark-meadows-says-freedom-caucus-will-go-along-with-ahca-if-it-kills-community-rating-and-ehb-regulations/article/2618940 (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/mark-meadows-says-freedom-caucus-will-go-along-with-ahca-if-it-kills-community-rating-and-ehb-regulations/article/2618940)
which shines some light on how much the Freedom Caucus was bending to give Trump a win ... and how little Trump / Ryan would bend. You know, I didn't hear this perspective in any of the dialogue about the AHCA negotiations (or lack thereof). Only that the RINOs would only ask the Pubs to vote for it to show unity - even though they couldn't explain it.
It's crazy that the Pubs have complained about ACA for seven years but when they finally got their chance, they didn't have a plan that they could explain. It's like they thought repeal for seven years and when they got the steering wheel, they had to make up some replace crap. Trump can thank the RINO influcence for that early failure. But really, after seven years they didn't have a solid plan that all could understand of what they would propose to do? Really? That was very embarrassing. It think the Freedom Caucus knew exactly what to do - repeal ACA!
Anyway, back to your post Supsalemgr: You identify that Meadows says there is no one to the right of him. He's in the Freedom Caucus, so I get that all in Congress are to the lefft of this true Conservative group. But I think you're saying more - please clarify if you are. I think you are saying that his statement is an indicator that the FC was surprised by Trump's position. How are you relating your post to the possibility that the Freedom Caucus could agree to let Trump throw them under the bus to make some ground with any fence-sitting Dims? I'm probably missing something obvious.
Quote from: topside on March 31, 2017, 08:45:25 AM
First - good job NC in putting Mark Meadows in congress that is about our founding values. Well done!
I'm trying to interpret what you are saying. In doing so I found this:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/mark-meadows-says-freedom-caucus-will-go-along-with-ahca-if-it-kills-community-rating-and-ehb-regulations/article/2618940 (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/mark-meadows-says-freedom-caucus-will-go-along-with-ahca-if-it-kills-community-rating-and-ehb-regulations/article/2618940)
which shines some light on how much the Freedom Caucus was bending to give Trump a win ... and how little Trump / Ryan would bend. You know, I didn't hear this perspective in any of the dialogue about the AHCA negotiations (or lack thereof). Only that the RINOs would only ask the Pubs to vote for it to show unity - even though they couldn't explain it.
It's crazy that the Pubs have complained about ACA for seven years but when they finally got their chance, they didn't have a plan that they could explain. It's like they thought repeal for seven years and when they got the steering wheel, they had to make up some replace crap. Trump can thank the RINO influcence for that early failure. But really, after seven years they didn't have a solid plan that all could understand of what they would propose to do? Really? That was very embarrassing. It think the Freedom Caucus knew exactly what to do - repeal ACA!
Anyway, back to your post Supsalemgr: You identify that Meadows says there is no one to the right of him. He's in the Freedom Caucus, so I get that all in Congress are to the lefft of this true Conservative group. But I think you're saying more - please clarify if you are. I think you are saying that his statement is an indicator that the FC was surprised by Trump's position. How are you relating your post to the possibility that the Freedom Caucus could agree to let Trump throw them under the bus to make some ground with any fence-sitting Dims? I'm probably missing something obvious.
The basis of my original was pretty straight forward. My district is in the mountains of WNC and quite conservative. Meadows and most of the FC have similar makeups. My district went strongly for Trump, not as much as for hm as against the liberal polices of Hillary and the left. Meadows' strength of victory was much stronger than Trumps.
Quote from: supsalemgr on March 31, 2017, 09:33:37 AM
The basis of my original was pretty straight forward. My district is in the mountains of WNC and quite conservative. Meadows and most of the FC have similar makeups. My district went strongly for Trump, not as much as for hm as against the liberal polices of Hillary and the left. Meadows' strength of victory was much stronger than Trumps.
Rgr. that - thanks for the clarification.
The House Freedom Caucus fired back at President Trump on Friday morning, saying that the conservative group has kept its promise on healthcare and its vow to fully repeal ObamaCare.
Trump took to Twitter on Thursday, lashing out at three members of the Freedom Caucus over healthcare — Chairman Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) and Reps. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) and Raúl Labrador (R-Idaho) — and threatening to back primary challenges against caucus members in 2018.
If they would get on board, Trump wrote, "we would have both great healthcare and massive tax cuts & reform." Trump asked where the trio of lawmaker had gone.
".@RealDonaldTrump We are where we've always been: committed to keeping our promise," the Freedom Caucus responded in a series of tweets Friday.
"Repeal includes eliminating the costly Obamacare regs that are driving up Americans' premiums. We can do better than a plan that only 17% of Americans support. #KeepOurPromise."
Trump and conservatives clashed over the House GOP's bill to repeal and replace ObamaCare, which was pulled from the House floor one week ago.
Freedom Caucus members argued that the American Health Care Act didn't go far enough. They wanted a faster rollback of Medicaid expansion and argued that the proposed tax credits to help purchase insurance was a new government entitlement.
House conservatives pushed back on Trump's social media attacks. Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.), a Freedom Caucus member, ripped the president for bullying, and Labrador, who was called out in Trump's tweet, shot back in his own tweet.
"Freedom Caucus stood with u when others ran. Remember who your real friends are. We're trying to help u succeed," Labrador tweeted.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/326667-freedom-caucus-fires-back-at-trump-were-keeping-our-promise-on
You Crossed the Line Trump!!!
"'The president asked me to look you square in the eyes and to say that he hoped that you voted 'no' on this bill so he could run (a primary challenger) against you in 2018,'" Sanford said Mulvaney told him.
He added that Mulvaney made it clear he did not want to deliver the message but did so at Trump's insistence.
"I've never had anyone, over my time in politics, put it to me as directly as that," Sanford said, perhaps understating just how monumental it is for a sitting president to openly go after members of his own party.
Sanford also isn't alone in bearing the brunt of Trump's ire. On Thursday, a week after GOP leaders canceled the vote on the health care bill, Trump tweeted he had no qualms about targeting the entire Freedom Caucus next year.
http://www.postandcourier.com/news/south-carolina-u-s-rep-mark-sanford-trump-threatened-to/article_47e680c2-155e-11e7-883e-5f89fc5a8c7b.htmlhttp://www.postandcourier.com/news/south-carolina-u-s-rep-mark-sanford-trump-threatened-to/article_47e680c2-155e-11e7-883e-5f89fc5a8c7b.html
Quote from: Solar on March 31, 2017, 10:49:18 AM
You Crossed the Line Trump!!!
"'The president asked me to look you square in the eyes and to say that he hoped that you voted 'no' on this bill so he could run (a primary challenger) against you in 2018,'" Sanford said Mulvaney told him.
He added that Mulvaney made it clear he did not want to deliver the message but did so at Trump's insistence.
"I've never had anyone, over my time in politics, put it to me as directly as that," Sanford said, perhaps understating just how monumental it is for a sitting president to openly go after members of his own party.
Sanford also isn't alone in bearing the brunt of Trump's ire. On Thursday, a week after GOP leaders canceled the vote on the health care bill, Trump tweeted he had no qualms about targeting the entire Freedom Caucus next year.
http://www.postandcourier.com/news/south-carolina-u-s-rep-mark-sanford-trump-threatened-to/article_47e680c2-155e-11e7-883e-5f89fc5a8c7b.htmlhttp://www.postandcourier.com/news/south-carolina-u-s-rep-mark-sanford-trump-threatened-to/article_47e680c2-155e-11e7-883e-5f89fc5a8c7b.html
After supporting and agreeing with much of what Trump has done since inauguration, he is losing ground with me if he keeps up this battle against conservatives.
Quote from: supsalemgr on March 31, 2017, 11:07:28 AM
After supporting and agreeing with much of what Trump has done since inauguration, he is losing ground with me if he keeps up this battle against conservatives.
I'll keep quiet and on the sideline, but from here on out, he's a turd on my shit list.
Quote from: Solar on March 31, 2017, 11:13:41 AM
I'll keep quiet and on the sideline, but from here on out, he's a turd on my shit list.
I really thought trump would wait for a second term to prove he is a liberal.
Quote from: s3779m on March 31, 2017, 11:37:27 AM
I really thought trump would wait for a second term to prove he is a liberal.
Yeah, at least get through his first 100 days. I'm skulking around the web and the Trumpers are beside themselves, even seeing threats...
Quote from: Solar on March 31, 2017, 12:02:51 PM
Yeah, at least get through his first 100 days. I'm skulking around the web and the Trumpers are beside themselves, even seeing threats...
...the same Trumpers who were pushing the "Lyin' Ted" narrative. Who did they think they were going against? Such dumbasses..
Quote from: taxed on March 31, 2017, 04:52:13 PM
...the same Trumpers who were pushing the "Lyin' Ted" narrative. Who did they think they were going against? Such dumbasses..
Has to be awfully painful to find out you backed a liar.
Now they know how we felt when Trump siphoned off votes from Cruz.
So what did we get in the end? Just another RINO, just like the last 40 years, minus Reagan.
Quote from: Solar on March 31, 2017, 05:02:56 PM
Has to be awfully painful to find out you backed a liar.
Now they know how we felt when Trump siphoned off votes from Cruz.
So what did we get in the end? Just another RINO, just like the last 40 years, minus Reagan.
They've left the door open for the Dems. Actually, they've left the door open and left bowls of food...
Wrong Trump, OJT is over, you can't test theories out in the WH and use the base as your whipping boy when you fail miserably!
Adults learn early in life, that when you fuck up, you own it and you move on, you don't blame others for your failures, especially the people that put you in office, you dumb ass!
President Trump brought his chaos-and-loyalty theory of management into the White House, relying on competing factions, balanced by trusted family members, with himself perched atop as the gut-instinct decider. He now realizes this approach has flopped, and feels baffled and paralyzed by how to fix it, numerous friends and advisers tell us.
"Trump is thinking through his frustrations," said one Washington wise man close to the West Wing. "The team didn't put the windows in right."
The chaos dimension has created far more chaos than anticipated. Come nightfall, Trump is often on the phone with billionaire, decades-long friends, commiserating and critiquing his own staff. His most important advisers are often working the phone themselves, trashing colleagues and either spreading or beating down rumors of turmoil and imminent changes.
This has created a toxic culture of intense suspicion and insecurity. The drama is worse than what you read.
Behind the curtain: Axios' Jonathan Swan today sat in Reince Priebus' office with Steve Bannon, Jared Kushner, and Reince's deputy, Katie Walsh, who — fed up with the internal "Game of Thrones," and treated with suspicion by some prominent West Wing colleagues — is leaving to help launch Trump's outside political group, America First Policies.
https://www.axios.com/trump-baffled-and-brooding-searches-for-a-new-approach-2337876385.html
Excellent monologue from Loesch on Tea Party and Freedom Caucus...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAByNAsPj5Y
Quote from: taxed on March 31, 2017, 05:19:06 PM
Excellent monologue from Loesch on Tea Party and Freedom Caucus...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAByNAsPj5Y
I watched it earlier and she spelled it out, that Trump attacked the wrong crowd.
I'm telling ya, he not only doubled down on stupid, he bet the House and is still counting his losses.
Quote from: Solar on March 31, 2017, 05:17:04 PM
Wrong Trump, OJT is over, you can't test theories out in the WH and use the base as your whipping boy when you fail miserably!
Adults learn early in life, that when you fuck up, you own it and you move on, you don't blame others for your failures, especially the people that put you in office, you dumb ass!
President Trump brought his chaos-and-loyalty theory of management into the White House, relying on competing factions, balanced by trusted family members, with himself perched atop as the gut-instinct decider. He now realizes this approach has flopped, and feels baffled and paralyzed by how to fix it, numerous friends and advisers tell us.
"Trump is thinking through his frustrations," said one Washington wise man close to the West Wing. "The team didn't put the windows in right."
The chaos dimension has created far more chaos than anticipated. Come nightfall, Trump is often on the phone with billionaire, decades-long friends, commiserating and critiquing his own staff. His most important advisers are often working the phone themselves, trashing colleagues and either spreading or beating down rumors of turmoil and imminent changes.
This has created a toxic culture of intense suspicion and insecurity. The drama is worse than what you read.
Behind the curtain: Axios' Jonathan Swan today sat in Reince Priebus' office with Steve Bannon, Jared Kushner, and Reince's deputy, Katie Walsh, who — fed up with the internal "Game of Thrones," and treated with suspicion by some prominent West Wing colleagues — is leaving to help launch Trump's outside political group, America First Policies.
https://www.axios.com/trump-baffled-and-brooding-searches-for-a-new-approach-2337876385.html
One of Trump's greatest personal challenges is that he needs to take a humble pill then line up with stable, foundational, tried-and-true virtuous principles, backed with commensurate actions, and not get caught in the quagmire of politics that shifts like sand with every wind. Assign people to keep the politics off his back while he works the knitting ... the promises that got him elected. He has the power to make things move with Congress and good people available to him if he will vet them based on their principles and experience; then let them do their jobs. Don't pretend that the Dims are going to cooperate - there is a foundational gap between their principles and our constitutional principels: socialism and popularism vs. running a Republic!
President Trump ... do what is right under our founding principles and not what expedient or popular. The Conservatives will help you find that path! You have so many people at your disposal to help you find a product path in the right direction. That's not the Dims for sure. It's not the RINOs for sure. It's not the Godless for sure. Going the right direction usually pays off - and even when it doesn't then you still have the confidence that you worked to move our nation in a productive direction.
I'm on my knees praying - I hope he gains a better vantage point soon. Not giving up - still have hope.
Quote from: topside on April 01, 2017, 06:53:34 AM
One of Trump's greatest personal challenges is that he needs to take a humble pill then line up with stable, foundational, tried-and-true virtuous principles, backed with commensurate actions, and not get caught in the quagmire of politics that shifts like sand with every wind. Assign people to keep the politics off his back while he works the knitting ... the promises that got him elected. He has the power to make things move with Congress and good people available to him if he will vet them based on their principles and experience; then let them do their jobs. Don't pretend that the Dims are going to cooperate - there is a foundational gap between their principles and our constitutional principels: socialism and popularism vs. running a Republic!
President Trump ... do what is right under our founding principles and not what expedient or popular. The Conservatives will help you find that path! You have so many people at your disposal to help you find a product path in the right direction. That's not the Dims for sure. It's not the RINOs for sure. It's not the Godless for sure. Going the right direction usually pays off - and even when it doesn't then you still have the confidence that you worked to move our nation in a productive direction.
I'm on my knees praying - I hope he gains a better vantage point soon. Not giving up - still have hope.
:lol:...Oh wait, you were serious? J/K :wink:
The problem is, Trump's values are not of a Conservative nature, so I'm not sure he can see where he's made a mistake, let alone understand how to repair it.
Hell, I'm not even certain he can make the connection as to what he was elected to do because what he envisioned and what his supporters want are two different visions totally.
His goal was to get elected, his sales experience is that of grandiose sales pitches and once the deal is done, others are charged with enacting them, promises broken aren't really lies broken in his world, it's just how business is done.
Thing is, he wanted a socialized healthcare system and Conservatives stood in his way. In his world he is CEO, he decides what the people need, what is best for the bugs/little people and he had decided that we would have socialized medicine Trump style and those that stand in his way are the enemy and must be defeated.
I've worked with these people in the past, they are not normal on yours and my standards, they are narcissists, they have never experienced what it means to be without money and power, budget every month for the bare necessities of life is a foreign concept for them.
What he does understand is debt, running a project on OPM (other peoples Money) is how business is done and that once it's paid off, revenue is the dividend, so running up the National Debt is part and parcel to running the country/business.
Yes, he thinks he is doing us a favor by forcing socialized healthcare on us, that the debt is to be absorbed as part of doing business.
Does this make sense? I know it may be hard to grasp because it's not our reality, but it is how trump lives and he sees himself as a King among Kings. To challenge him is seen as treasonous, regardless of your values because his vision of America's needs is superior to everyone else's.
Quote from: Solar on April 01, 2017, 07:29:23 AM
:lol:...Oh wait, you were serious? J/K :wink:
The problem is, Trump's values are not of a Conservative nature, so I'm not sure he can see where he's made a mistake, let alone understand how to repair it.
Hell, I'm not even certain he can make the connection as to what he was elected to do because what he envisioned and what his supporters want are two different visions totally.
His goal was to get elected, his sales experience is that of grandiose sales pitches and once the deal is done, others are charged with enacting them, promises broken aren't really lies broken in his world, it's just how business is done.
Thing is, he wanted a socialized healthcare system and Conservatives stood in his way. In his world he is CEO, he decides what the people need, what is best for the bugs/little people and he had decided that we would have socialized medicine Trump style and those that stand in his way are the enemy and must be defeated.
I've worked with these people in the past, they are not normal on yours and my standards, they are narcissists, they have never experienced what it means to be without money and power, budget every month for the bare necessities of life is a foreign concept for them.
What he does understand is debt, running a project on OPM (other peoples Money) is how business is done and that once it's paid off, revenue is the dividend, so running up the National Debt is part and parcel to running the country/business.
Yes, he thinks he is doing us a favor by forcing socialized healthcare on us, that the debt is to be absorbed as part of doing business.
Does this make sense? I know it may be hard to grasp because it's not our reality, but it is how trump lives and he sees himself as a King among Kings. To challenge him is seen as treasonous, regardless of your values because his vision of America's needs is superior to everyone else's.
I wish I could argue with you ... but I can't. I just pray for a miracle that something shifts in him. There's no human reason to expect it to happen - hence the praying part.
Quote from: topside on April 01, 2017, 07:48:21 AM
I wish I could argue with you ... but I can't. I just pray for a miracle that something shifts in him. There's no human reason to expect it to happen - hence the praying part.
I know what you mean, I too held out hope in the beginning, but his actions are killing what little hope I had that he had our backs.
For me, the upside to all of this is, I didn't have an emotional investment in his winning, a belief that he was telling the truth during the campaign, because all along I believed he was the Dim his history showed him to be, that his claim of being a New Yorker with NY values was a signal to all the libs in the country to just be patient.
So no, I'm not devastated like all those that argued with us that he was a conservative, just disappointed that they didn't listen to us when we tried to warn them.
But all is not lost, at least he isn't Clinton, if anything, just another Bush/RINO.
There's always 2020. Here's looking to the future.
Well i'm done with Trump. I wash my hands with him. He's not only crossed the line he drew the red line in the sand. No reason at all to support this liberal democrat any longer.
Trump doesn't want to drain the swamp he wants to bottle it up and sell that stinky swamp water to the American people. I'm not buying it any longer.
Now it's time for me to sit back and watch him, the media, the big government republicans go down in flames with their love/hate relationship while I laugh my butt off.
I stand with my Conservatives friends in Congress and I salute my Conservative friends in the Freedom Caucus for saving us from Trumpcare.
Maybe the wrong "binary choice" won in Nov. 2016....! At least we knew where Hillary stood not so much with Trump.
I'm so friggin mad at this war on Conservatives bull crap if there was grounds to impeach this SOB I would get a crate of Georgia Peaches and hand them out in the name of the Freedom Caucus...!
Check this bullshit out.
Trump admin tells supporters to PRIMARY a Freedom Caucus Republican...
The Trump administration is putting some muscle behind its heated anti-Freedom Caucus rhetoric.
Dan Scavino is Trump's Director of Social Media and Senior Advisor, and he tweeted this just now:
.@realDonaldTrump is bringing auto plants & jobs back to Michigan. @justinamash is a big liability.#TrumpTrain, defeat him in primary.
READ MORE.....
http://therightscoop.com/trump-admin-tells-supporters-to-primary-a-freedom-caucus-republican/
He fails to realize, it was TEA that put Trump in office, not libs.
Trump, it's one thing to shoot yourself in the foot, but did you really need to use C-4?
Quote from: Solar on April 01, 2017, 01:35:48 PM
He fails to realize, it was TEA that put Trump in office, not libs.
Trump, it's one thing to shoot yourself in the foot, but did you really need to use C-4?
I'm guessing here he was aiming between his eyes and missed.
And the war continues. This is why only donate to the candidate not to the organisations.
Pro-Trump groups may help the president stage primaries against Republicans
Political groups loyal to President Trump could make good on his threat to back primary challenges against congressional Republicans who oppose his agenda.
Trump is warning conservative House Republicans who have opposed his health care initiative that he might try and oust them next year when they stand for re-nomination.
Except under extraordinary circumstances, GOP rules prohibit the party committees, such as the Republican National Committee, which Trump controls, from working against incumbents.
READ MORE....
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pro-trump-groups-may-help-the-president-stage-primaries-against-republicans/article/2619355
Quote from: Bronx on April 05, 2017, 09:53:13 AM
And the war continues. This is why only donate to the candidate not to the organisations.
Pro-Trump groups may help the president stage primaries against Republicans
Political groups loyal to President Trump could make good on his threat to back primary challenges against congressional Republicans who oppose his agenda.
Trump is warning conservative House Republicans who have opposed his health care initiative that he might try and oust them next year when they stand for re-nomination.
Except under extraordinary circumstances, GOP rules prohibit the party committees, such as the Republican National Committee, which Trump controls, from working against incumbents.
READ MORE....
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pro-trump-groups-may-help-the-president-stage-primaries-against-republicans/article/2619355
He better get his shit together, because those libs aren't loyal in the least.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_apr5
Quote from: Bronx on April 05, 2017, 09:53:13 AM
And the war continues. This is why only donate to the candidate not to the organisations.
Pro-Trump groups may help the president stage primaries against Republicans
Political groups loyal to President Trump could make good on his threat to back primary challenges against congressional Republicans who oppose his agenda.
Trump is warning conservative House Republicans who have opposed his health care initiative that he might try and oust them next year when they stand for re-nomination.
Except under extraordinary circumstances, GOP rules prohibit the party committees, such as the Republican National Committee, which Trump controls, from working against incumbents.
READ MORE....
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pro-trump-groups-may-help-the-president-stage-primaries-against-republicans/article/2619355
My gut does not let me put much credence in this theory. Trump may be a neophyte politician, but he is no dummy. I think his rhetoric against the FC is just that - rhetoric. That meeting last night between Pence and the FC is an indication of what is going on.
Quote from: supsalemgr on April 05, 2017, 12:34:20 PM
My gut does not let me put much credence in this theory. Trump may be a neophyte politician, but he is no dummy. I think his rhetoric against the FC is just that - rhetoric. That meeting last night between Pence and the FC is an indication of what is going on.
Trump to Pence: What do you mean TEA put me in office? Pence: You ran as an outsider. They hate the Establishment! Trump, Oh Shit, I screwed up!
Yes, you did Donnie! :glare:
Quote from: supsalemgr on April 05, 2017, 12:34:20 PM
My gut does not let me put much credence in this theory. Trump may be a neophyte politician, but he is no dummy. I think his rhetoric against the FC is just that - rhetoric. That meeting last night between Pence and the FC is an indication of what is going on.
I respectfully disagree. I believe President Trump would like nothing more then the Conservatives to get out of his way. With the FC out of the way he can pass his big government republican/democrat agenda.
You just don't go yelling to the world on tweeter about how much hate he has for Conservatives. Words have meaning and his hate for the FC proves just that.
Sorry but all I can go by is what comes out of his own mouth. His words no mine.
Quote from: Bronx on April 05, 2017, 03:26:46 PM
I respectfully disagree. I believe President Trump would like nothing more then the Conservatives to get out of his way. With the FC out of the way he can pass his big government republican/democrat agenda.
You just don't go yelling to the world on tweeter about how much hate he has for Conservatives. Words have meaning and his hate for the FC proves just that.
Sorry but all I can go by is what comes out of his own mouth. His words no mine.
Agree Bronx. Trying to guess intent is filled with problems. You have to take the words and actions at face value.
Quote from: Bronx on April 05, 2017, 03:26:46 PM
I respectfully disagree. I believe President Trump would like nothing more then the Conservatives to get out of his way. With the FC out of the way he can pass his big government republican/democrat agenda.
You just don't go yelling to the world on tweeter about how much hate he has for Conservatives. Words have meaning and his hate for the FC proves just that.
Sorry but all I can go by is what comes out of his own mouth. His words no mine.
2018 is going to be really interesting. I think the middle RINOs are going to take a lot of incoming and are probably panicking right now.
Quote from: taxed on April 05, 2017, 10:25:23 PM
2018 is going to be really interesting. I think the middle RINOs are going to take a lot of incoming and are probably panicking right now.
Here's hoping the Tea movement can make more gains. There really is not going to be that much difference on the ballets between the rinos supporting trump and the dims who don't support trump, both are liberal and will campaign as such with bigger promises of spending and nothing getting done. They will be fighting for who will be in control but will we be able to see the difference. I see bigger differences in the rep. primaries. The candidates who will stand out will be the ones who back the tea movement. Imho, trump did not have any coattails for any candidate and it is starting to look like he sure won't have any for 2018, hell, he might not even have a coat by then. Even in a worst case, it would be very hard for the dims to get the senate.
Anyone want to guess if Trump has a shot at reelection?
Quote from: Solar on April 18, 2017, 11:32:46 AM
Anyone want to guess if Trump has a shot at reelection?
I am staying with my original thought that he will not seek reelection.
Quote from: supsalemgr on April 18, 2017, 11:59:52 AM
I am staying with my original thought that he will not seek reelection.
I honestly hope you're right.
Quote from: supsalemgr on April 18, 2017, 11:59:52 AM
I am staying with my original thought that he will not seek reelection.
From what I can see Trump is not saying or doing things seeking reelection as of yet. The job may grow on him and he may like the job, just don't see that yet.
Quote from: walkstall on April 18, 2017, 01:11:36 PM
From what I can see Trump is not saying or doing things seeking reelection as of yet. The job may grow on him and he may like the job, just don't see that yet.
We'll know in his last 18 months. If suddenly he finds Conservatism, he's running for a 2nd term.
TEA won't give a shit, ti's the full 48 that counts.
Quote from: walkstall on April 18, 2017, 01:11:36 PM
From what I can see Trump is not saying or doing things seeking reelection as of yet. The job may grow on him and he may like the job, just don't see that yet.
I believe he jumped into the race initially because he saw a huge opportunity on the GOP side; he saw a hole, a bunch of disgruntled voters in the GOP base and went for it and at the same time saw an opportunity to make a whole lot of money and to halt the conservative movement. I also think that at some point in time either he couldn't stand the thought of losing after he realized just how much of a following he had or the Clintons crossed him at one time or another.
I predict he won't run another term; either his son-in-law Kushner or his son will run....but they might just surprise everyone and run on the DEM side.
Quote from: Ms.Independence on April 18, 2017, 02:40:52 PM
I believe he jumped into the race initially because he saw a huge opportunity on the GOP side; he saw a hole, a bunch of disgruntled voters in the GOP base and went for it and at the same time saw an opportunity to make a whole lot of money and to halt the conservative movement. I also think that at some point in time either he couldn't stand the thought of losing after he realized just how much of a following he had or the Clintons crossed him at one time or another.
I predict he won't run another term; either his son-in-law Kushner or his son will run....but they might just surprise everyone and run on the DEM side.
Now why would that surprise anyone? Did they change party's for good old dad? :rolleyes: