Quote from: supsalemgr on March 31, 2017, 08:11:18 AM
This strategy will not work for Trump. I live n Mark Meadows' district. His response was he can't find someone to the right of him. He knows the makeup of his district.

First - good job NC in putting Mark Meadows in congress that is about our founding values. Well done!

I'm trying to interpret what you are saying. In doing so I found this:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/mark-meadows-says-freedom-caucus-will-go-along-with-ahca-if-it-kills-community-rating-and-ehb-regulations/article/2618940

which shines some light on how much the Freedom Caucus was bending to give Trump a win ... and how little Trump / Ryan would bend. You know, I didn't hear this perspective in any of the dialogue about the AHCA negotiations (or lack thereof). Only that the RINOs would only ask the Pubs to vote for it to show unity - even though they couldn't explain it.

It's crazy that the Pubs have complained about ACA for seven years but when they finally got their chance, they didn't have a plan that they could explain. It's like they thought repeal for seven years and when they got the steering wheel, they had to make up some replace crap. Trump can thank the RINO influcence for that early failure. But really, after seven years they didn't have a solid plan that all could understand of what they would propose to do? Really? That was very embarrassing. It think the Freedom Caucus knew exactly what to do - repeal ACA!

Anyway, back to your post Supsalemgr: You identify that Meadows says there is no one to the right of him. He's in the Freedom Caucus, so I get that all in Congress are to the lefft of this true Conservative group. But I think you're saying more - please clarify if you are. I think you are saying that his statement is an indicator that the FC was surprised by Trump's position. How are you relating your post to the possibility that the Freedom Caucus could agree to let Trump throw them under the bus to make some ground with any fence-sitting Dims? I'm probably missing something obvious.

Quote from: topside on March 31, 2017, 08:45:25 AM
First - good job NC in putting Mark Meadows in congress that is about our founding values. Well done!

I'm trying to interpret what you are saying. In doing so I found this:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/mark-meadows-says-freedom-caucus-will-go-along-with-ahca-if-it-kills-community-rating-and-ehb-regulations/article/2618940

which shines some light on how much the Freedom Caucus was bending to give Trump a win ... and how little Trump / Ryan would bend. You know, I didn't hear this perspective in any of the dialogue about the AHCA negotiations (or lack thereof). Only that the RINOs would only ask the Pubs to vote for it to show unity - even though they couldn't explain it.

It's crazy that the Pubs have complained about ACA for seven years but when they finally got their chance, they didn't have a plan that they could explain. It's like they thought repeal for seven years and when they got the steering wheel, they had to make up some replace crap. Trump can thank the RINO influcence for that early failure. But really, after seven years they didn't have a solid plan that all could understand of what they would propose to do? Really? That was very embarrassing. It think the Freedom Caucus knew exactly what to do - repeal ACA!

Anyway, back to your post Supsalemgr: You identify that Meadows says there is no one to the right of him. He's in the Freedom Caucus, so I get that all in Congress are to the lefft of this true Conservative group. But I think you're saying more - please clarify if you are. I think you are saying that his statement is an indicator that the FC was surprised by Trump's position. How are you relating your post to the possibility that the Freedom Caucus could agree to let Trump throw them under the bus to make some ground with any fence-sitting Dims? I'm probably missing something obvious.

The basis of my original was pretty straight forward. My district is in the mountains of WNC and quite conservative. Meadows and most of the FC have similar makeups. My district went strongly for Trump, not as much as for hm as against the liberal polices of Hillary and the left. Meadows' strength of victory was much stronger than Trumps.

Quote from: supsalemgr on March 31, 2017, 09:33:37 AM
The basis of my original was pretty straight forward. My district is in the mountains of WNC and quite conservative. Meadows and most of the FC have similar makeups. My district went strongly for Trump, not as much as for hm as against the liberal polices of Hillary and the left. Meadows' strength of victory was much stronger than Trumps.

Rgr. that - thanks for the clarification.

The House Freedom Caucus fired back at President Trump on Friday morning, saying that the conservative group has kept its promise on healthcare and its vow to fully repeal ObamaCare.

Trump took to Twitter on Thursday, lashing out at three members of the Freedom Caucus over healthcare — Chairman Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) and Reps. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) and Raúl Labrador (R-Idaho) — and threatening to back primary challenges against caucus members in 2018.

If they would get on board, Trump wrote, "we would have both great healthcare and massive tax cuts & reform." Trump asked where the trio of lawmaker had gone.

".@RealDonaldTrump We are where we've always been: committed to keeping our promise," the Freedom Caucus responded in a series of tweets Friday.

"Repeal includes eliminating the costly Obamacare regs that are driving up Americans' premiums. We can do better than a plan that only 17% of Americans support. #KeepOurPromise."
Trump and conservatives clashed over the House GOP's bill to repeal and replace ObamaCare, which was pulled from the House floor one week ago.

Freedom Caucus members argued that the American Health Care Act didn't go far enough. They wanted a faster rollback of Medicaid expansion and argued that the proposed tax credits to help purchase insurance was a new government entitlement.

House conservatives pushed back on Trump's social media attacks. Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.), a Freedom Caucus member, ripped the president for bullying, and Labrador, who was called out in Trump's tweet, shot back in his own tweet.

"Freedom Caucus stood with u when others ran. Remember who your real friends are. We're trying to help u succeed," Labrador tweeted.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/326667-freedom-caucus-fires-back-at-trump-were-keeping-our-promise-on

You Crossed the Line Trump!!!

"'The president asked me to look you square in the eyes and to say that he hoped that you voted 'no' on this bill so he could run (a primary challenger) against you in 2018,'" Sanford said Mulvaney told him.

He added that Mulvaney made it clear he did not want to deliver the message but did so at Trump's insistence.

"I've never had anyone, over my time in politics, put it to me as directly as that," Sanford said, perhaps understating just how monumental it is for a sitting president to openly go after members of his own party.

Sanford also isn't alone in bearing the brunt of Trump's ire. On Thursday, a week after GOP leaders canceled the vote on the health care bill, Trump tweeted he had no qualms about targeting the entire Freedom Caucus next year.
http://www.postandcourier.com/news/south-carolina-u-s-rep-mark-sanford-trump-threatened-to/article_47e680c2-155e-11e7-883e-5f89fc5a8c7b.htmlhttp://www.postandcourier.com/news/south-carolina-u-s-rep-mark-sanford-trump-threatened-to/article_47e680c2-155e-11e7-883e-5f89fc5a8c7b.html

Quote from: Solar on March 31, 2017, 10:49:18 AM
You Crossed the Line Trump!!!

"'The president asked me to look you square in the eyes and to say that he hoped that you voted 'no' on this bill so he could run (a primary challenger) against you in 2018,'" Sanford said Mulvaney told him.

He added that Mulvaney made it clear he did not want to deliver the message but did so at Trump's insistence.

"I've never had anyone, over my time in politics, put it to me as directly as that," Sanford said, perhaps understating just how monumental it is for a sitting president to openly go after members of his own party.

Sanford also isn't alone in bearing the brunt of Trump's ire. On Thursday, a week after GOP leaders canceled the vote on the health care bill, Trump tweeted he had no qualms about targeting the entire Freedom Caucus next year.
http://www.postandcourier.com/news/south-carolina-u-s-rep-mark-sanford-trump-threatened-to/article_47e680c2-155e-11e7-883e-5f89fc5a8c7b.htmlhttp://www.postandcourier.com/news/south-carolina-u-s-rep-mark-sanford-trump-threatened-to/article_47e680c2-155e-11e7-883e-5f89fc5a8c7b.html

After supporting and agreeing with much of what Trump has done since inauguration, he is losing ground with me if he keeps up this battle against conservatives.

Quote from: supsalemgr on March 31, 2017, 11:07:28 AM
After supporting and agreeing with much of what Trump has done since inauguration, he is losing ground with me if he keeps up this battle against conservatives.

I'll keep quiet and on the sideline, but from here on out, he's a turd on my shit list.

Quote from: Solar on March 31, 2017, 11:13:41 AM
I'll keep quiet and on the sideline, but from here on out, he's a turd on my shit list.

I really thought trump would wait for a second term to prove he is a liberal.

Quote from: s3779m on March 31, 2017, 11:37:27 AM
I really thought trump would wait for a second term to prove he is a liberal.

Yeah, at least get through his first 100 days. I'm skulking around the web and the Trumpers are beside themselves, even seeing threats...

Quote from: Solar on March 31, 2017, 12:02:51 PM
Yeah, at least get through his first 100 days. I'm skulking around the web and the Trumpers are beside themselves, even seeing threats...

...the same Trumpers who were pushing the "Lyin' Ted" narrative.  Who did they think they were going against?  Such dumbasses..

Quote from: taxed on March 31, 2017, 04:52:13 PM
...the same Trumpers who were pushing the "Lyin' Ted" narrative.  Who did they think they were going against?  Such dumbasses..

Has to be awfully painful to find out you backed a liar.
Now they know how we felt when Trump siphoned off votes from Cruz.
So what did we get in the end? Just another RINO, just like the last 40 years, minus Reagan.

Quote from: Solar on March 31, 2017, 05:02:56 PM
Has to be awfully painful to find out you backed a liar.
Now they know how we felt when Trump siphoned off votes from Cruz.
So what did we get in the end? Just another RINO, just like the last 40 years, minus Reagan.

They've left the door open for the Dems.  Actually, they've left the door open and left bowls of food...

Wrong Trump, OJT is over, you can't test theories out in the WH and use the base as your whipping boy when you fail miserably!
Adults learn early in life, that when you fuck up, you own it and you move on, you don't blame others for your failures, especially the people that put you in office, you dumb ass!

President Trump brought his chaos-and-loyalty theory of management into the White House, relying on competing factions, balanced by trusted family members, with himself perched atop as the gut-instinct decider. He now realizes this approach has flopped, and feels baffled and paralyzed by how to fix it, numerous friends and advisers tell us.

"Trump is thinking through his frustrations," said one Washington wise man close to the West Wing. "The team didn't put the windows in right."

The chaos dimension has created far more chaos than anticipated. Come nightfall, Trump is often on the phone with billionaire, decades-long friends, commiserating and critiquing his own staff. His most important advisers are often working the phone themselves, trashing colleagues and either spreading or beating down rumors of turmoil and imminent changes.

This has created a toxic culture of intense suspicion and insecurity. The drama is worse than what you read.

Behind the curtain: Axios' Jonathan Swan today sat in Reince Priebus' office with Steve Bannon, Jared Kushner, and Reince's deputy, Katie Walsh, who — fed up with the internal "Game of Thrones," and treated with suspicion by some prominent West Wing colleagues — is leaving to help launch Trump's outside political group, America First Policies.
https://www.axios.com/trump-baffled-and-brooding-searches-for-a-new-approach-2337876385.html

Excellent monologue from Loesch on Tea Party and Freedom Caucus...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAByNAsPj5Y

Quote from: taxed on March 31, 2017, 05:19:06 PM
Excellent monologue from Loesch on Tea Party and Freedom Caucus...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAByNAsPj5Y

I watched it earlier and she spelled it out, that Trump attacked the wrong crowd.
I'm telling ya, he not only doubled down on stupid, he bet the House and is still counting his losses.