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Trump Declares War Against Conservatives
« on: March 30, 2017, 09:23:22 AM »
God, I hate to be an "I TOLD YA SO", but...

Republican President Donald Trump declared a political jihad on Thursday morning against the principled constitutional conservatives who opposed RINO Paul Ryan’s failed health care scheme that was deceptively purported to repeal Obamacare but didn’t — keeping Obamacare’s infrastructure in place and many of the free market-killing regulations, mandates and subsidies that caused health care insurance premiums and deductibles to unnecessarily skyrocket the past seven years.

Rather than take responsibility for getting duped by Paul Ryan 
51%
, RINO John Boehner’s hand-picked successor into supporting a bill that could not pass — a bill that only had a minuscule 17 percent approval from the American people — Trump threatened the House Freedom Caucus — saying that “we must fight them” and the Democrats in the 2018 elections.
http://politistick.com/trump-declares-war-conservatives-rinocare-fail/
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Re: Trump Declares War Against Conservatives
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2017, 10:08:00 AM »
Nobody liked the repeal because Americans mainly support medicare for all, and like medicare and medicaid.

The freedom caucus turned against the bill because the public beat down congress door to maintain key provisions of the ACA.

I.E.  expanded medicaid, pre-existing conditions, staying on your parents plans longer.


The American people do not support in majorities the freedom caucus plans period.  Its not even close.  To have their will overrun the majority would be to advocated marxism.

Its that simple.  They had to change and change and change the bill because republicans were getting hammered at home. 

IMO, Sanders is going to introduce a single payer in the next week and trumps gonna hop on board and its going to happen.   

The TEA party is over.

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Re: Trump Declares War Against Conservatives
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2017, 10:12:25 AM »
Not against conservatives either.  Against extreme neo-reactionary republicans.

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Re: Trump Declares War Against Conservatives
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2017, 10:15:50 AM »
Nobody liked the repeal because Americans mainly support medicare for all, and like medicare and medicaid.

The freedom caucus turned against the bill because the public beat down congress door to maintain key provisions of the ACA.

I.E.  expanded medicaid, pre-existing conditions, staying on your parents plans longer.


The American people do not support in majorities the freedom caucus plans period.  Its not even close.  To have their will overrun the majority would be to advocated marxism.

Its that simple.  They had to change and change and change the bill because republicans were getting hammered at home. 

IMO, Sanders is going to introduce a single payer in the next week and trumps gonna hop on board and its going to happen.   

The TEA party is over.
We've been over this and you admitted you lied when you made this same ridiculous claim earlier.
Admit it, your claim is representative of libs in NY proper, not the rest of the nation.
And no, TEA is not dead, you can't kill American values, they do not die.
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Re: Trump Declares War Against Conservatives
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2017, 10:27:27 AM »
We've been over this and you admitted you lied when you made this same ridiculous claim earlier.
Admit it, your claim is representative of libs in NY proper, not the rest of the nation.
And no, TEA is not dead, you can't kill American values, they do not die.

I admitted I lied about what?

You just lied.  Grow up.

American values have changed.  They used to be slavery.

Now we have joined the rest of the world in our population supporting medicare for all. For 40 years polls have shown that over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

The freedom(marxist) caucus is dead.  Thank god.

The marxists lost.  Thank god.

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Re: Trump Declares War Against Conservatives
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2017, 11:59:16 AM »
I admitted I lied about what?

You just lied.  Grow up.
Bull Shit!!! You made that same ridiculous claim about the majority of the nation supporting socialized medicine, I proved you wrong using the Gallup poll you posted, so cut the crap!
If I have to go dig it up to prove you wrong again, it will be the last time we'll see your posts.

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American values have changed.  They used to be slavery.

Now we have joined the rest of the world in our population supporting medicare for all. For 40 years polls have shown that over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

The freedom(marxist) caucus is dead.  Thank god.

The marxists lost.  Thank god.
Back that shit up with proof! I'm getting sick of your bull shit trolling, we're not that kind of forum, we speak only truth here, not this made up emotional outrage lib shit you're pulling.
Now either back up your claim or admit you lied.
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Re: Trump Declares War Against Conservatives
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2017, 12:37:20 PM »
Bull Shit!!! You made that same ridiculous claim about the majority of the nation supporting socialized medicine, I proved you wrong using the Gallup poll you posted, so cut the crap!
If I have to go dig it up to prove you wrong again, it will be the last time we'll see your posts.
Back that shit up with proof! I'm getting sick of your bull shit trolling, we're not that kind of forum, we speak only truth here, not this made up emotional outrage lib shit you're pulling.
Now either back up your claim or admit you lied.

First off I have no clue what bs claim you are making that I lied.  But I will provide numerous polls below showing majority support for federally funded healthcare guranteed for all.



http://www.gallup.com/poll/191504/majority-support-idea-fed-funded-healthcare-system.aspx
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/03/27/how-do-americans-feel-about-single-payer-health-care-its-complicated/?utm_term=.9a5b19e055da
http://pnhp.org/blog/2015/12/17/kaiser-poll-58-of-americans-support-medicare-for-all/
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/SunMo_poll_0209.pdf
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/new-poll-finds-large-increase-in-support-for-government-backed-health-care-coverage-over-past-year

The poll also found that a 63 percent to 21 percent majority favors a universal health care system -- by party affiliation the breakdown is 33 percent Republican, 87 percent Democrat and 61 percent independent. And a 76 percent to 24 percent majority also agrees that since most other advanced countries can afford to provide universal health insurance, so could this country.

"In addition, an overwhelming 84 percent to 16 percent majority believes that having a system that ensures that sick people get the care they need is a moral issue. That includes 75 percent of Republicans and 91 percent of Democrats."

http://www.theharrispoll.com/politics/Health-Care-Moral-Issue.html

I can keep going sand going and going and going!!

You lied, you marxist, because you continue to assert I lied when I didn't.

You have been exposed as the hack you are.  Nobody agrees with your garbage tea party politics.

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Re: Trump Declares War Against Conservatives
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2017, 01:20:16 PM »
First off I have no clue what bs claim you are making that I lied.  But I will provide numerous polls below showing majority support for federally funded healthcare guranteed for all.



http://www.gallup.com/poll/191504/majority-support-idea-fed-funded-healthcare-system.aspx
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/03/27/how-do-americans-feel-about-single-payer-health-care-its-complicated/?utm_term=.9a5b19e055da
http://pnhp.org/blog/2015/12/17/kaiser-poll-58-of-americans-support-medicare-for-all/
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/SunMo_poll_0209.pdf
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/new-poll-finds-large-increase-in-support-for-government-backed-health-care-coverage-over-past-year

The poll also found that a 63 percent to 21 percent majority favors a universal health care system -- by party affiliation the breakdown is 33 percent Republican, 87 percent Democrat and 61 percent independent. And a 76 percent to 24 percent majority also agrees that since most other advanced countries can afford to provide universal health insurance, so could this country.

"In addition, an overwhelming 84 percent to 16 percent majority believes that having a system that ensures that sick people get the care they need is a moral issue. That includes 75 percent of Republicans and 91 percent of Democrats."

http://www.theharrispoll.com/politics/Health-Care-Moral-Issue.html

I can keep going sand going and going and going!!

You lied, you marxist, because you continue to assert I lied when I didn't.

You have been exposed as the hack you are.  Nobody agrees with your garbage tea party politics.

Are those the same polling sources that said Hillary would  win?

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Re: Trump Declares War Against Conservatives
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2017, 01:25:56 PM »
Are those the same polling sources that said Hillary would  win?

Not all polling sources said hillary would win moron.  Perhaps you dont know what a margin of error is?


However, predicting and election result and polling on an issue are two entirely different things for reasons bovious to a 5 year old, but not to idiots with their head in the sand. 


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Re: Trump Declares War Against Conservatives
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2017, 01:52:25 PM »
I'm not sure the majority polls are accurate, but I don't think they are relevant. The last time I checked, this is a constitutional Republic and not a Democracy. Besides the election, what the majority wants should have little influence on our rule of government because majorities can go the wrong way relative to our Constitutional foundation. 

Our country was founded on and should continue to pursue less government control - not more; e.g., eliminate government controlled health care. I'm behind the Freedom Caucus. And Trump has a good path to take - repeal any government led health care and put the decisions back into the hands of those who work for it and can pay for it. 

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Re: Trump Declares War Against Conservatives
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2017, 01:53:28 PM »
First off I have no clue what bs claim you are making that I lied.  But I will provide numerous polls below showing majority support for federally funded healthcare guranteed for all.



http://www.gallup.com/poll/191504/majority-support-idea-fed-funded-healthcare-system.aspx
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/03/27/how-do-americans-feel-about-single-payer-health-care-its-complicated/?utm_term=.9a5b19e055da
http://pnhp.org/blog/2015/12/17/kaiser-poll-58-of-americans-support-medicare-for-all/
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/SunMo_poll_0209.pdf
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/new-poll-finds-large-increase-in-support-for-government-backed-health-care-coverage-over-past-year

The poll also found that a 63 percent to 21 percent majority favors a universal health care system -- by party affiliation the breakdown is 33 percent Republican, 87 percent Democrat and 61 percent independent. And a 76 percent to 24 percent majority also agrees that since most other advanced countries can afford to provide universal health insurance, so could this country.

"In addition, an overwhelming 84 percent to 16 percent majority believes that having a system that ensures that sick people get the care they need is a moral issue. That includes 75 percent of Republicans and 91 percent of Democrats."

http://www.theharrispoll.com/politics/Health-Care-Moral-Issue.html

I can keep going sand going and going and going!!

You lied, you marxist, because you continue to assert I lied when I didn't.

You have been exposed as the hack you are.  Nobody agrees with your garbage tea party politics.
You and I both know this is not the poll you originally cited.
Do you want to keep moving the goal post and take a timeout, or concede you lied?
Don't play this game kid, I will kick your ass and expose you for the idiot you are. You don't have near enough years to step up with the big dogs, you wet behind the ears little shit.
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Re: Trump Declares War Against Conservatives
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2017, 01:53:35 PM »
Not all polling sources said hillary would win moron.  Perhaps you dont know what a margin of error is?


However, predicting and election result and polling on an issue are two entirely different things for reasons bovious to a 5 year old, but not to idiots with their head in the sand.

When should we pay attention to them?

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Re: Trump Declares War Against Conservatives
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2017, 02:06:40 PM »
Nobody liked the repeal because Americans mainly support medicare for all, and like medicare and medicaid.

The freedom caucus turned against the bill because the public beat down congress door to maintain key provisions of the ACA.

I.E.  expanded medicaid, pre-existing conditions, staying on your parents plans longer.


The American people do not support in majorities the freedom caucus plans period.  Its not even close.  To have their will overrun the majority would be to advocated marxism.

Its that simple.  They had to change and change and change the bill because republicans were getting hammered at home. 

IMO, Sanders is going to introduce a single payer in the next week and trumps gonna hop on board and its going to happen.   

The TEA party is over.

YOU LIE.......!
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Re: Trump Declares War Against Conservatives
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2017, 04:04:20 PM »
You and I both know this is not the poll you originally cited.
Do you want to keep moving the goal post and take a timeout, or concede you lied?
Don't play this game kid, I will kick your ass and expose you for the idiot you are. You don't have near enough years to step up with the big dogs, you wet behind the ears little shit.
Hey toiled I have urined on 50 times, I cited 6 polls there.  You told me not to cite the same one you idiot so I didn.t


I see you have no response for these you piece of garbage.  I own you.

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Re: Trump Declares War Against Conservatives
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2017, 04:17:02 PM »
Hey toiled I have urined on 50 times, I cited 6 polls there.  You told me not to cite the same one you idiot so I didn.t
"Hey toiled I have urined on 50 times"? WTF? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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I see you have no response for these you piece of garbage.  I own you.

I told you don't make me dig up your old post to prove you're a liar, but you did, and now you will take a timeout and learn to act like an adult.
So in essence, you lied when you claimed "poll that 60% of the pop wants single payer."

"Overall, 43% of Democrats and Democratic leaners support a so-called single payer approach,"

Your response:
Your right, I should have said medicare for all.  I wasn't lying misspoke.  But you are correct.
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