Quote from: Hoofer on May 28, 2016, 08:59:32 AM
Can I take a whack at that...?

I this political climate - a Biden / Warren ticket crushes them all.  Soon as Hillary departs the race, it's a "given" - Biden is in, Warren is just warming up the audience till it happens...

Why a Biden win?

Biden automatically has the inside track, Warren has the hard core commie/leftie support.
Biden is the liberal "mannerisms" equivalent of Ronald Reagan, an "aw shucks, good-ole-boy" who only wants the best for the country - and he's trustworthy.  Naturally appealing, apart from being a political disaster (and an A$$hole). 

Paul Ryan should have crushed him in the last debate - yet, even a condescending Biden came off looking good.  Biden wins on personality alone, sadly.  Watching that debate with wifey, all the points & statistics Ryan offered were swept away by the smarmy, cocky, "smiling" a$$hole.  If the TV had "ears" it would have gone deaf from the yelling.

The media will prop up, support and cover up anything harmful to Elisabeth Warren.  Warren is the "angry left" of America, without saying it, they know she'll "get even" with those "bastards".  Take no prisoners and sue their a$$es, throw them in jail with a hungry or horny Pit Bull.  Sanders is 'old school' and 'chump change' to Warren.  Warren is the NEW Progressive, with new whacky ideas that excite the nare-do-wells of the left.  And best of all (for them), her appeal is cross-generational, from Boomers to Millennials - Warren has been in their dreams for decades.

Oh, rumor has it, Biden is a "major A$$hole" ... Meh, never would have guess, huh?

Warren does concern me. She is like Obama, far leftist, relatively an unknown unless you are paying attention and would energize the loons. Much rather run against Hillary.

For Biden to enter the race would be very difficult MHO..  Most states would allow it from what I understand ( to late for a third party candidate)  I think if shrill gets out were stuck with Sanders and I cant even begin to wonder how that will turn out. To many like him. I am part of a Homesteader group in my area and I was surprised to see that atleast half are Bernie fans and will vote for him.

Quote from: AmericanMom on May 28, 2016, 01:16:33 PM
For Biden to enter the race would be very difficult MHO..  Most states would allow it from what I understand ( to late for a third party candidate)  I think if shrill gets out were stuck with Sanders and I cant even begin to wonder how that will turn out. To many like him. I am part of a Homesteader group in my area and I was surprised to see that atleast half are Bernie fans and will vote for him.

Just as the GOPe owns the Republican candidate selection, the Donkey's own the Democrat candidate selection process.  If Hillary and Bernie "knifed it out" in a debate - and both died, no doubt, there would be a Democrat candidate - Biden is perfect for a late entry run.   

I am the "Farmer's Husband" on our Homestead...  14lbs of strawberries off a tiny pyramid/raised bed, and 2 ice cream buckets of peas...  eggs in the incubator, steers in the front field - I worked 17hrs yesterday/last night - there ain't nothing like garden fresh to come home to!

Half the Homesteaders by you are Bernie fans?   Are they smoking home-grown produce?  Bernie is so politically and environmentally correct, he'll cap every fireplace and wood burning stove.

Quote from: Hoofer on May 26, 2016, 05:12:15 AM
What would happen to Trump support if Hillary was jailed? 
Really, this argument, "well, at least Trump isn't Hillary, and we don't want Hillary in the WH!", somehow becomes "political bleach" making Donald politically spotless...?

OK, remove Hillary, health, jail, who knows - she's gone.... so is the Trump-a-loon rallying cry and his political campaign.   And, if Trump continues his hard left-hand turn, wins the WH, and governs LEFT of Hillary, "Well, golly, gee wizz, at least Hillary isn't in the WH!"

Kit, you're a heck of a lot smarter than this, I've read your posts - come'on, man, you and I know this is the lamest reason for backing Donald Trump.  Seriously consider the scenario of Donald vs another Dem with less political baggage than Hillary - the guy flat out LOSES.

I'm really trying HARD to find a single positive reason to support Donald Trump - none, nada, zip, nothing - so we're reduced down to, the best reason is... he's NOT Hillary?

Trump heralds the death of the anti-traditional cultural shift under the obama-regime.  That's what I want.  The death of 'weaponized secularism', as Reihan Salam calls it:

http://www.nationalreview.com/agenda/381975/weaponized-secularism-reihan-salam

While chasing the mirage of theocracy, social liberals are increasingly embracing a weaponized secularism. This has led to sharp conflicts between right and left, and traditionalists seem to be finding themselves on the losing side of these debates as often as not. Going forward, though, I wonder if weaponized secularism will prove more divisive within the Democratic Party, which must appeal to the emphatically secular and the emphatically religious alike.

I think Trump will splinter the Democrats throughout the Summer, because liberalism is a rigid dogma.  It can't bend (Repubs/conservatives are in constant flux... libs can't conceive of someone not remaining liberal).  It splinters. 

Trump is going to slay political correctness and intellectual elitism. 

Cruz showed no signs of doing that.  -Bashing Trump while professional rioters forced Trump to cancel an event in Chicago.  That's the kind of weakness you don't want sharing your foxhole.         

Quote from: quiller on May 26, 2016, 05:35:17 AM
Kit? Quick question.

By now we know what a miserable job public schools have done toward educating us in civics and how government really works. Percentage of total population which DOES vote is horrifyingly small. So many of the plebes simply stopped caring.

So my question revolves around what Joe Q. or Mary Q. Voter knows about poly-tricks. Who succeeds whom? Vice-President, or former Secretary of State? Who has nobody seriously investigating him, and the one with the traditional ironclad reason for running...because so many OTHER Veeps have done so and a few even won (imagine that!).

My question, squire, is this: who would win? Trump or Biden? And why?

Trump.  Because Biden's status quo.  It's over for those people this cycle.

A likely Trump VP-choice might be Texas Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick, who's leading the fight against obama's bathroom-law.

Trump wins because he brings a conservative-friendly blank canvas to light.  He's not going to flounder and flail in the Office.  That's silly to even speculate.  Clinton's the one who flew Air Force One out to LA to get a haircut, a week into his Presidency.  They had to bring in David Gergen to teach him how to be presidential. 

Quote from: kit saginaw on May 28, 2016, 07:58:47 PM
Trump.  Because Biden's status quo.  It's over for those people this cycle.

Trump wins because he brings a conservative-friendly blank canvas to light.  H

Did you actually say that with a straight face?

"Don't Need Conservatives to Support Me"
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/05/08/trump-i-have-principles-dont-need-conservatives-to-support-me/

Quote from: kit saginaw on May 28, 2016, 07:31:04 PM
Trump heralds the death of the anti-traditional cultural shift under the obama-regime.  That's what I want.  The death of 'weaponized secularism', as Reihan Salam calls it:

http://www.nationalreview.com/agenda/381975/weaponized-secularism-reihan-salam

While chasing the mirage of theocracy, social liberals are increasingly embracing a weaponized secularism. This has led to sharp conflicts between right and left, and traditionalists seem to be finding themselves on the losing side of these debates as often as not. Going forward, though, I wonder if weaponized secularism will prove more divisive within the Democratic Party, which must appeal to the emphatically secular and the emphatically religious alike.

I think Trump will splinter the Democrats throughout the Summer, because liberalism is a rigid dogma.  It can't bend (Repubs/conservatives are in constant flux... libs can't conceive of someone not remaining liberal).  It splinters. 

Trump is going to slay political correctness and intellectual elitism. 

Cruz showed no signs of doing that.  -Bashing Trump while professional rioters forced Trump to cancel an event in Chicago.  That's the kind of weakness you don't want sharing your foxhole.         

I disagree with the author - what we're seeing is a split Democrat party, because of Hillary Clinton's negatives.  Bernie wouldn't have a bit of traction with a strong Democrat candidate - if you're a Dem, you've got a really serious problem... nobody worth voting for!  Those folks are pulling the Trump lever for the Primaries.  If/when Biden gets drafted, there will be a giant sucking sound as he pulls back the Democrat vote from Hillary, Bernie & Trump.

We are the recipients of the Hillary/Bernie problem, they've swamped the Trump primary vote, which is falsely giving Trump a lead over Ted Cruz.   Trump continues to court the Sanders vote, hoping that will be enough to unseat Hillary, while we conservatives are completely ignored by Trump.  The Trump vote will evaporate for the General (as Solar so apty put it).   

Without Joe Biden, "they" are screwed, without Ted Cruz, "we" are screwed.

What we really got is 3 (active) weak democrats, Sanders, Clinton & Trump.  If we want to point out the "reason" for this mess, it's Hillary Clinton!  It's perfectly clear to conservatives, the Democratic vote is spreading over the electorate like oil over water - Trump is not the GOPe killer, he's the Dem infiltrator!  The GOPe "killer" is TED CRUZ.  Now the MSM is trying to supress and kill off the Cruz revolution - did we expect anything less?   MSM would love to see BOTH parties go 100% DEMOCRAT - Donald Trump is their answer, he is the gift they've been wishing for - Ted Cruz is the LAST THING the MSM wants.

QuoteTrump is going to slay political correctness and intellectual elitism.

Only an idiot or a Dem political tool can make such a STUPID statement!  What kind of inside the beltway logic comes up with that kind of upside down, MSM wishful thinking?   Before I finished reading the sentence, I instinctively KNEW it was for brainwashed Republican consumption.  That's the stuff you wish for - but know, without any doubt, Donald Trump epitomizes political correctness and elitism - he's practiced it his ENTIRE LIFE!   

Ted Cruz is proven 100% correct again, Trump is a New York liberal, an elitist to the core - with every intention of running your life according to HIS brand of political correctness.

Kit - open your eyes, man, you're being used, your vote isn't needed for Trump, their mantra is, "Anyone but Cruz"...

Quote from: Hoofer on May 29, 2016, 10:11:52 AM
I disagree with the author - what we're seeing is a split Democrat party, because of Hillary Clinton's negatives.  Bernie wouldn't have a bit of traction with a strong Democrat candidate - if you're a Dem, you've got a really serious problem... nobody worth voting for!  Those folks are pulling the Trump lever for the Primaries.  If/when Biden gets drafted, there will be a giant sucking sound as he pulls back the Democrat vote from Hillary, Bernie & Trump.

We are the recipients of the Hillary/Bernie problem, they've swamped the Trump primary vote, which is falsely giving Trump a lead over Ted Cruz.   Trump continues to court the Sanders vote, hoping that will be enough to unseat Hillary, while we conservatives are completely ignored by Trump.  The Trump vote will evaporate for the General (as Solar so apty put it).   

Without Joe Biden, "they" are screwed, without Ted Cruz, "we" are screwed.

What we really got is 3 (active) weak democrats, Sanders, Clinton & Trump.  If we want to point out the "reason" for this mess, it's Hillary Clinton!  It's perfectly clear to conservatives, the Democratic vote is spreading over the electorate like oil over water - Trump is not the GOPe killer, he's the Dem infiltrator!  The GOPe "killer" is TED CRUZ.  Now the MSM is trying to supress and kill off the Cruz revolution - did we expect anything less?   MSM would love to see BOTH parties go 100% DEMOCRAT - Donald Trump is their answer, he is the gift they've been wishing for - Ted Cruz is the LAST THING the MSM wants.
   
Only an idiot or a Dem political tool can make such a STUPID statement!  What kind of inside the beltway logic comes up with that kind of upside down, MSM wishful thinking?   Before I finished reading the sentence, I instinctively KNEW it was for brainwashed Republican consumption.  That's the stuff you wish for - but know, without any doubt, Donald Trump epitomizes political correctness and elitism - he's practiced it his ENTIRE LIFE!   

Ted Cruz is proven 100% correct again, Trump is a New York liberal, an elitist to the core - with every intention of running your life according to HIS brand of political correctness.

Kit - open your eyes, man, you're being used, your vote isn't needed for Trump, their mantra is, "Anyone but Cruz"...

I think they actually believe the Trump facade is real, that a NY Lib actually believes the lies he spews, the very same guy, that just two years ago, was so out of touch with the Right, he had to hire a team to study talk radio and the right to find out what their hot button issues were.
Seriously. How disconnected does one have to be from ordinary life, that they spend millions having someone educate them on what it is to be a conservative?

It would be like me trying to understand the inner workings and disputes of the Irish culture, a place I know next to nothing about, but with the right amount of cash, I could hire someone to teach me.
But why would I need to know what the hot button issues are in the country, unless....I was trying to infiltrate a party I have absolutely no connection to.
But do you think for one minute these Trumpanzees asked a single pertinent question?

Quote from: Solar on May 29, 2016, 11:26:01 AM
I think they actually believe the Trump facade is real, that a NY Lib actually believes the lies he spews, the very same guy, that just two years ago, was so out of touch with the Right, he had to hire a team to study talk radio and the right to find out what their hot button issues were.
Seriously. How disconnected does one have to be from ordinary life, that they spend millions having someone educate them on what it is to be a conservative?

It would be like me trying to understand the inner workings and disputes of the Irish culture, a place I know next to nothing about, but with the right amount of cash, I could hire someone to teach me.
But why would I need to know what the hot button issues are in the country, unless....I was trying to infiltrate a party I have absolutely no connection to.
But do you think for one minute these Trumpanzees asked a single pertinent question?

With my career in sales I know how important identifying hot buttons is. The idea is to probe for what is the hot button. Once that is identified the sale is made because the client will then BUY and not be sold. This is what Trump has done. Why do you think it said he liked LIV's. They have more easily identifiable hot buttons and his rhetoric confirms that.

Quote from: supsalemgr on May 29, 2016, 12:38:20 PM
With my career in sales I know how important identifying hot buttons is. The idea is to probe for what is the hot button. Once that is identified the sale is made because the client will then BUY and not be sold. This is what Trump has done. Why do you think it said he liked LIV's. They have more easily identifiable hot buttons and his rhetoric confirms that.

I remember when TV first came out and how it changed politics.  President Kennedy saw what it could do for him others followed. 

Quote from: supsalemgr on May 29, 2016, 12:38:20 PM
With my career in sales I know how important identifying hot buttons is. The idea is to probe for what is the hot button. Once that is identified the sale is made because the client will then BUY and not be sold. This is what Trump has done. Why do you think it said he liked LIV's. They have more easily identifiable hot buttons and his rhetoric confirms that.

Exactly!!!!
LIV/Libs are emotional idiots, they react instead of think, keep them focused on drama and they'll eat out of your hands and lick your boots in worship.
Trump is a salesman, that all he knows. He knows absolutely zero about the Constitution, yet his brain dead followers think he'll perform miracles.
Which is why the Nationalist in him is scary, if not down right dangerous...

Quote from: walkstall on May 29, 2016, 01:01:35 PM
I remember when TV first came out and how it changed politics.  President Kennedy saw what it could do for him others followed.

Richard Nixon lost the election on TV. The thug looked thuggish. Voters took heed.

Quote from: quiller on May 30, 2016, 12:59:07 AM
Richard Nixon lost the election on TV. The thug looked thuggish. Voters took heed.

The Radio audience said Nixon won -  the television audience saw a sweating, nervous Nixon, and a dry, confident Kennedy, who won.

Quote from: Solar on May 29, 2016, 11:26:01 AM
I think they actually believe the Trump facade is real, that a NY Lib actually believes the lies he spews, the very same guy, that just two years ago, was so out of touch with the Right, he had to hire a team to study talk radio and the right to find out what their hot button issues were.
Seriously. How disconnected does one have to be from ordinary life, that they spend millions having someone educate them on what it is to be a conservative?

It would be like me trying to understand the inner workings and disputes of the Irish culture, a place I know next to nothing about, but with the right amount of cash, I could hire someone to teach me.
But why would I need to know what the hot button issues are in the country, unless....I was trying to infiltrate a party I have absolutely no connection to.
But do you think for one minute these Trumpanzees asked a single pertinent question?

Dead on.  All I can add, which is little, but rather obvious - Trump's defense of his ever evolving political positions is with Democrat talking points & positions.  He's so unfamiliar with Conservatism, by nature he defaults to Liberal Logic in defense mode.  It's no wonder his "offense mode" is name-calling.

Quote from: Hoofer on May 30, 2016, 07:19:36 AM
Dead on.  All I can add, which is little, but rather obvious - Trump's defense of his ever evolving political positions is with Democrat talking points & positions.  He's so unfamiliar with Conservatism, by nature he defaults to Liberal Logic in defense mode.  It's no wonder his "offense mode" is name-calling.

Exactly! How do stupid people debate?