Trump Bans Bump-stocks

Started by Solar, December 18, 2018, 08:35:45 AM

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If this is true, I still have no issue with it. Trump has been saying for months he would do this, so it really doesn't come as a surprise.

Trump admin. amends regulations to clarify that bump stocks are "machine guns" and illegal
When the rule takes effect, individuals who have bump stocks have 90 days to turn them in to authorities or destroy them. After that point, it will be illegal to own them - NPR
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Unconstitutional. Second Amendment does not say what kind of arms. If government has big guns, we need big guns. That's how it works.
With all these lawyers with cameras on the street i'm shocked we have so much crime in the world.

There is constitutional law and there is law and order. This challenge to law and order is always the start to loosing our constitutional rights.

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Solar

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on December 18, 2018, 08:51:55 AM
Unconstitutional. Second Amendment does not say what kind of arms. If government has big guns, we need big guns. That's how it works.
Guns are one thing, additions are not covered, that's how they'll get away with it. Though, I do agree, any prohibition on the 2nd is unconstitutional.
I just don't care about this, I've always seen it as a novelty, like more chrome on a car, it does nothing to improve its performance, bump stock are not an improvement or guarantee you will hit your target.
But if someone wants to weight their car down with ore chrome, that's their business.

But again, I do agree, what Trump is doing is unconstitutional and will be challenged all the way to SCOTUS.
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Quote from: Solar on December 18, 2018, 09:12:39 AM
Guns are one thing, additions are not covered, that's how they'll get away with it. Though, I do agree, any prohibition on the 2nd is unconstitutional.
I just don't care about this, I've always seen it as a novelty, like more chrome on a car, it does nothing to improve its performance, bump stock are not an improvement or guarantee you will hit your target.
But if someone wants to weight their car down with ore chrome, that's their business.

But again, I do agree, what Trump is doing is unconstitutional and will be challenged all the way to SCOTUS.

I think we are on the same page on this matter. The equipment is not necessary, but I don't like any infringement upon the 2nd Amendment.
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Quote from: supsalemgr on December 18, 2018, 10:20:57 AM
I think we are on the same page on this matter. The equipment is not necessary, but I don't like any infringement upon the 2nd Amendment.

Don't see the word "accessories" in the Second Amendment text.

This is why we are in the condition we are at. Allowing/not allowing things because of a "greater" cause.
With all these lawyers with cameras on the street i'm shocked we have so much crime in the world.

There is constitutional law and there is law and order. This challenge to law and order is always the start to loosing our constitutional rights.

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Solar

It's things like this that shows Trump is not a Conservative, Patriot, yes, Conservative, no. No Conservative would ignore the truth of the Bill of Rights, fact is, govt has no say when it comes to the 2nd, that was the purpose of the Bill of Rights, restricting government at every turn.
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Hmm...

So are they saying a Colt Buntline Special you can no longer put a stock on it.  I have been shooting one for years.   :confused:
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That's fine. The constitutionality is very suspect and will probably be challenged. The real battle begins in January where the democrats are preparing a bill that will outlaw private gun sales.

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Quote from: The Boo Man... on December 18, 2018, 07:49:16 PM
That's fine. The constitutionality is very suspect and will probably be challenged. The real battle begins in January where the democrats are preparing a bill that will outlaw private gun sales.
Don't know, a ban on machine guns has been up held by the scotus, and I can see where an attachment in which its only purpose is to turn a semi auto in a functioning machine gun would also be banned. I dont see the scotus getting into the details of trigger pull, ect. but will concentrate on the fact that a bump stock's only purpose is to make a semi auto fire faster than other wise.

Solar

Quote from: s3779m on December 19, 2018, 12:22:02 AM
Don't know, a ban on machine guns has been up held by the scotus, and I can see where an attachment in which its only purpose is to turn a semi auto in a functioning machine gun would also be banned. I dont see the scotus getting into the details of trigger pull, ect. but will concentrate on the fact that a bump stock's only purpose is to make a semi auto fire faster than other wise.
Wouldn't it be interesting if this were to shine a spotlight on the illegality of the govt interfering with the Bill of Rights, particularly the machine gun and sawed off shotgun?
Bot of of which were illegal rulings by a court overstepping its authority in an area it was specifically prohibited from entering.
Time to educate the public.
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Who's this confiscation fooling...? The ATF, DEA, FBI, and CIA would love to have fingerprints, mugshot, and DNA on everyone. Someone is testing the waters by getting their feet wet.

The ATF is all over YouTube and they know first hand that you don't need a bump stock to make your semi automatic rifle automatic. Hell your belt loop on your pants can act as one.

Here you can pick you own video to watch.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=belt+loop+as+bump+stock

I'm very surprise President Trump even entertained this never mine signing it.





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Solar

Quote from: Bronx on December 19, 2018, 09:18:47 AM
Who's this confiscation fooling...? The ATF, DEA, FBI, and CIA would love to have fingerprints, mugshot, and DNA on everyone. Someone is testing the waters by getting their feet wet.

The ATF is all over YouTube and they know first hand that you don't need a bump stock to make your semi automatic rifle automatic. Hell your belt loop on your pants can act as one.

Here you can pick you own video to watch.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=belt+loop+as+bump+stock

I'm very surprise President Trump even entertained this never mine signing it.
Add too that, 3D printing, where there's no record of a transaction, and the govt is lost.
I expect to see this crap challenged in court.
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Quote from: Solar on December 19, 2018, 09:27:46 AM
Add too that, 3D printing, where there's no record of a transaction, and the govt is lost.
I expect to see this crap challenged in court.

I agree with that. Naw a day's anyone can 3D print their own bump stock, so I'm not sure how much it is going to actually stop people from having them. The way I see it this has been talked about since Las Vegas. It was coming sooner or later maybe more so as an appeasement to the left to detract from their main topic point of banning real guns.

Solar

Quote from: ConservativeInCT on December 19, 2018, 10:32:22 AM
I agree with that. Naw a day's anyone can 3D print their own bump stock, so I'm not sure how much it is going to actually stop people from having them. The way I see it this has been talked about since Las Vegas. It was coming sooner or later maybe more so as an appeasement to the left to detract from their main topic point of banning real guns.
I know my stance sounds contradictory here, but the reason this bump stock ban BS doesn't bother me, is simply because a real machine gun gives the option of three round burst, full auto or single shot.
A bump stock requires concentration, not so much on the target, but the ability to keep it repeating, which distracts from the actual target.
To use one takes practice, so when it comes down to an actual gun fight, you want control and accuracy and wasting ammo inn hopes of hitting your target is self defeating.
I've been in a gun fight, people have no idea what goes through your mind, and concentrating on making a weapon repeat is the last thing you want to concentrate on.
With a 3D printer, one can actually turn many weapons into three rnd burst units, much more effective when trying to hit a target.
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Quote from: Solar on December 19, 2018, 06:42:58 AM
Wouldn't it be interesting if this were to shine a spotlight on the illegality of the govt interfering with the Bill of Rights, particularly the machine gun and sawed off shotgun?
Bot of of which were illegal rulings by a court overstepping its authority in an area it was specifically prohibited from entering.
Time to educate the public.
Your right, it was an illegal overstepping by the court. Just a random thought, how would/could the scotus rule the ban on bump stocks is unconstitutional with out the same ruling on machine guns?