Does anyone actually like him? If so, why? :popcorn:
I do. He's sending libs into a frenzy like I've never seen before.
But is that enough? Just to enjoy the wide spread crying of a group of extremists?
I've been laying off of the political realm a while only picking up bits here and there, so I'm curious, what's yalls actual opinion of this guy, and what good has and will come from his presidency, IYO?
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 05, 2017, 11:28:32 AM
But is that enough?
No. He's been taking a cleaver to chunks of the EPA (which alone is worth it), pushing to kill the ACA scam, staying firm and aggresive on the geopolitical front, supporting law enforcement, mitigating the influx of illegals and muzzies, and more. I have no complaints up to this point. Best of all, he's re-aligning the lib media.
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Just to enjoy the wide spread crying of a group of extremists?
That's like chocolate sauce on a banana split.
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I've been laying off of the political realm a while only picking up bits here and there, so I'm curious, what's yalls actual opinion of this guy, and what good has and will come from his presidency, IYO?
Some liberal stuff is going to get by, but he's going after deep rooted issues that are hurting our society, like immigration, EPA, media, etc.
Thanks for the reply.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 05, 2017, 11:22:43 AM
Does anyone actually like him? If so, why? :popcorn:
I would not say actually like him. But the man is doing things that a RINO would not do. No CIC can do everything they said they would do. If they could then we would not need the legislative body of our country. Just look at all the EO's he has clean up in 6 months and he is not done with them all yet.
He is calling the MSM what they are fake news for over the last 45 to 50 yeas. Just look at all the fake headlines everyday. They say one thing but when you open them up, it is not what they are implying in the headlines.
IF the Dem MSM is on his ass 24/7 then Trump is doing something right. I have no problems right now call him our CIC.
Trump is unlike b o who has spent eight full years harming "his people."
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 05, 2017, 11:22:43 AM
Does anyone actually like him? If so, why? :popcorn:
My opinion hasn't changed one bit, he's still a lib, hated by Dims, ruled by leftist RINO, and trying to fulfill campaign promises while being hogtied by leftist GOP.
He's done some great stuff, but when he claims he's willing to work with the left to shove Trump/Commiecare down our throats, merely confirms what we all knew all along, he's a lib in RINO clothing.
Let's see ... he lied about Cruz, called his wife ugly, called his father a murderer, verbally attacked several others and made the comment that he could shoot someone and not lose votes... and his 'locker room' talk is unacceptable. He's been a NY liberal for most of his life and has strong liberal ties. As for his presidency, it's way too early to make an accurate unbiased assessment.
Solar, young man, you are one of the few here who can see through the muck.
Quote from: redsun on July 05, 2017, 03:34:11 PM
Solar, young man, you are one of the few here who can see through the muck.
Trust me Solar is not alone.
Quote from: Ms.Independence on July 05, 2017, 03:25:33 PM
Let's see ... he lied about Cruz, called his wife ugly, called his father a murderer, verbally attacked several others and made the comment that he could shoot someone and not lose votes... and his 'locker room' talk is unacceptable. He's been a NY liberal for most of his life and has strong liberal ties. As for his presidency, it's way too early to make an accurate unbiased assessment.
True, but none of that would have been relevant if Rubio had dropped earlier.
Quote from: walkstall on July 05, 2017, 01:25:54 PM
I would not say actually like him.
That's the thing, my conservative friends don't like him. They don't like that he's a "lib"
As Solar has said, and they don't like his "locker room talk," as well. But they "dont see a better option." My lib friends are living in la la land, wishing for things they won't fight for and still seeming to win everything, even the bathroom gay target agenda. basically they are winning because they own Hollywood and cnn. All he while trump is seemingly far from presidential and we are becoming the minority, and hated because of our skin color and heterosexuality.
That being said, is trump actually doing anything that makes us like him? Are we as a people better with him? Or are we just going to decline further and further?
Why go with a lib who might grab your daughters ..... Because he's rich?
Our system seems screwed. We are literally arguing on behalf of someone who has been the worst of us and hasn't apologized for it.
And what's on the other hand? A bunch of people hating the white male hederosexual... We are backed in a bullshit corner.
This game seems rigged.
Am I wrong? If so, I'm listening.
Quote from: taxed on July 05, 2017, 03:38:47 PM
True, but none of that would have been relevant if Rubio had dropped earlier.
We will never really know. President Trump's pre-inaugural evening moved me to tears. I am pleased that he kept his promise and appointed a conservative justice. He has shown some leadership and it is a shame that the DEM/RINO railroading is taking place. As I stated, I think it's premature at this time to assess his presidency. I do feel so far, we are heading in a more positive direction under President Trump than Bammy. I feel I can accurately assess the continued actions of the RINO's and DEMS; despicable and deplorable!
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 05, 2017, 04:21:11 PM
That's the thing, my conservative friends don't like him. They don't like that he's a "lib"
As Solar has said, and they don't like his "locker room talk," as well. But they "dont see a better option." My lib friends are living in la la land, wishing for things they won't fight for and still seeming to win everything,
Huh?
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even the bathroom gay target agenda.
Those are state issues.
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basically they are winning because they own Hollywood and cnn.
Have you been paying attention to what's happening to CNN and their ratings?
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All he while trump is seemingly far from presidential
Correct...
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and we are becoming the minority, and hated because of our skin color and heterosexuality.
No we're not. All that stuff dies down as their troughs are cut. The EPA, etc... For example, when was the last time you saw a BLM protest?
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That being said, is trump actually doing anything that makes us like him?
I've been in business for a long time, so I just don't care about liking or not liking someone. I care about what gets done.
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Are we as a people better with him? Or are we just going to decline further and further?
I guess I don't know what the hell you're talking about.
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Why go with a lib who might grab your daughters .....
Try not to let people on TV tell you what to think and feel. Use your brain.
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Because he's rich?
Our system seems screwed. We are literally arguing on behalf of someone who has been the worst of us and hasn't apologized for it.
I'm too busy to judge someone who I don't know personally. I can judge him by results. My candidate lost, so I can cry about it or move on.
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And what's on the other hand? A bunch of people hating the white male hederosexual... We are backed in a bullshit corner.
You probably live in different areas than I do. I haven't really encountered any anti-white stuff. If you have, you should probably move.
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This game seems rigged.
Am I wrong? If so, I'm listening.
I think you need to quit moping. He's the President, and he's been doing good.
Quote from: Ms.Independence on July 05, 2017, 04:33:19 PM
We will never really know. President Trump's pre-inaugural evening moved me to tears. I am pleased that he kept his promise and appointed a conservative justice. He has shown some leadership and it is a shame that the DEM/RINO railroading is taking place. As I stated, I think it's premature at this time to assess his presidency. I do feel so far, we are heading in a more positive direction under President Trump than Bammy. I feel I can accurately assess the continued actions of the RINO's and DEMS; despicable and deplorable!
It is indeed still early, but I'm not ready to toss him to the side. I'm pretty optimistic, and have accepted that I can't telegraph his moves. I think in the deep DC game he's playing with the intel agencies, entrenchment, etc., we need someone pretty unconventional -- someone crazy enough to plow through and punch back.
And yes, it's a no brainer that Cruz would have won had Rubio dropped out.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 05, 2017, 04:21:11 PMThat being said, is trump actually doing anything that makes us like him? Are we as a people better with him? Or are we just going to decline further and further?
Only time will tell, he has not even been in a year yet.
QuoteWhy go with a lib who might grab your daughters ..... Because he's rich?
"Who might" Hello MSM BS.
QuoteOur system seems screwed. We are literally arguing on behalf of someone who has been the worst of us and hasn't apologized for it.
You must be talking about b o and the Dem's.
QuoteAnd what's on the other hand? A bunch of people hating the white male hederosexual... We are backed in a bullshit corner.
You may be but I am not. I don't live in the city.
QuoteThis game seems rigged.
It has been rigged for years, this is not new.
QuoteAm I wrong? If so, I'm listening.
It took over 60 years to be in this mess. It will not change over night and that's what the NOW Generation thinks it can be done.
By the way. IF there were more "locker room talk" over the last 20 years we would not be in this mess.
Remember they had dueling with guns back in 1776. :lol:
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 05, 2017, 11:22:43 AM
Does anyone actually like him? If so, why? :popcorn:
I think you forgot part of your question. Shouldn't it be: Do you like Trump compared to
(fill in the blank).
Quote from: redsun on July 05, 2017, 03:34:11 PM
Solar, young man, you are one of the few here who can see through the muck.
Yeah, I'm just a hardass Con refusing to give up my values. :biggrin:
I supported Cruz and still do. For me, nothing has changed, the gop'E is still the enemy, and now even more so since the Dim party is dead and the Establishment Marxists filled their void by moving left.
I don't see him as a democrat or a republican. He's an opportunist with a lot of liberal tendencies. He's dome some good things so far. The courts, the EPA, NATO. It's too early to really gauge him. He may be a liberal but he does seem to have the country's best interests at heart.
Of course him giving the media and the establishment the middle finger is worth the price of admission.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 05, 2017, 07:25:17 PM
I don't see him as a democrat or a republican. He's an opportunist with a lot of liberal tendencies. He's dome some good things so far. The courts, the EPA, NATO. It's too early to really gauge him. He may be a liberal but he does seem to have the country's best interests at heart.
Of course him giving the media and the establishment the middle finger is worth the price of admission.
Right now I see him as a 100 year + olds democrat. You just don't see many people like that in this day and age.
Quote from: walkstall on July 05, 2017, 03:38:43 PM
Trust me Solar is not alone.
:thumbup: His actions so far have been encouraging, but he is still no conservative.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 05, 2017, 11:22:43 AM
Does anyone actually like him? If so, why? :popcorn:
I didn't vote for Him, I'm a Cruz man...still am.. I got mad when my state wouldn't let me write in Ted Cruz so I didn't vote at all.however, I REALLY WISH I HAD VOTED TRUMP, I definitely will next time around.
Lot of discussion about if he is a Lib, a RINO etc etc. Trump is first and foremost a businessman, and Businessmen have to learn the art of playing BOTH side's of the political fence. If anything, Trump is an old fashion Democrat, cut from the same cloth as Democrats of my Parents era. Both were staunch Democrats, working class Irish, there wasn't a "liberal" bone in their body, they were probably more "conservative" than today's conservatives.
They believed in a WORK ETHIC, not entitlement, welfare was the ultimate shame unless you were a destitute widow with kids. You went to work on Monday, and went to Church on Sunday, Abortion was murder, screw regulation and Govt flunkies, keep your guns cleaned and oiled, hunting season is just around the corner. Stick up for your rights and
take no crap from anyone or anything. But vote Democrat because they are the party of the working man. anD THEY LOVED AMERICA....MY COUNTRY RIGHT OR WRONG.
Now I see some of that in Trump but the "lines" have become so blurred in the past twenty and then ten years that neither the Republican party nor the Democratic party is what it once was. The Dems have been hijacked by the extreme radicals, they re no longer "democrats" but socialists, it is now the MARXIST PARTY OF AMERICA, the party of the extreme left. THe pubs have become like Democrats of old, big Govt, big regs, big business keep our bank accounts replenished.
These past few months have been an epiphany for me and a lot of people in my neck of the woods (Virginia) who were wary of that "New Yorker" Trump. The level of Govt corruption is mind blowing, the Govt is almost in open rebellion against Trump, the Republican party is almost as great an enemy towards Trump as the Marxist Party....I do believe a number of Pubs would vote for his "impeachment" on these phony charges of "collusion" .
Little by little, inch by inch the truth is coming out and more and more Americans are seeing the light, even the Dems, those who still think the Democratic party is the party of their Fathers. This means MORE SUPPORT for Trump. The Political hacks don't know what the hell to do, his POPULAR support is growing and they can't figure out how to stop it.
Do I like him...YES I LIke him, I like the fact he is up in their faces, I like the fact he does not take their crap lying down, I like the fact he puts them in their place and I like the fact he is profane, raucous and rowdy, you don't deal with an unruly mob of A-holes by being a milktoast. He is acting like a hostile maniac...which is great, my only problem is he is not enough of a hostile maniac. If it were me, I be sending US Marshals around to these Sanctuary Cities and be subpeonea-ing voter regs. I'd march them out in handcuffs if they didn't comply and throw their asses in the back of a paddy wagon.
However, I have to agree that doing things slowly, properly and patiently is the way to begin. Two sayings learned from my tenure in Asia apply here:
If you wait by the river long enough, you will see the body of your enemy float on by.SLowly, Slowly catchee Monkey.Patience, patience, the enemy is making mistakes daily and imploding...enjoy the show.
Quote from: walkstall on July 05, 2017, 07:43:22 PM
Right now I see him as a 100 year + olds democrat. You just don't see many people like that in this day and age.
Who would be the most liberal Republican president in the 20th Century? Eisenhower? By all accounts the Donks wanted him to run under their banner, and looking back at his various guns-and-butter speeches it sounds as if he outdid even Tricky Dick on leaning left. (China opening was inevitable; if not Nixon then Bush the Elder.)
But comparing Trump to ANY liberal Republican is not doing justice to either side, until more data is in hand. Feed him the rope. See what kind of knots he turns it into.
You are all wrong... The problem is not the person in the throne, but the fact that there is a throne to be sat in. You do all realize that you know what is best for you, and not the government? You do know that NO president ever cares about you, nor do they even know that you exist? Every president the same, and voting does not bring about change, and when it comes down to it, both parties are very similar, and they all achieve the same thing, a ruling class that is above the law (not morality), and that violently oppresses everyone else.
And I know that I am probably going to get a bunch of hate for this, but please before you get angry, think about what I am saying before you send the hate mail.
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 01:43:28 PM
You are all wrong... The problem is not the person in the throne, but the fact that there is a throne to be sat in. You do all realize that you know what is best for you, and not the government? You do know that NO president ever cares about you, nor do they even know that you exist? Every president the same, and voting does not bring about change, and when it comes down to it, both parties are very similar, and they all achieve the same thing, a ruling class that is above the law (not morality), and that violently oppresses everyone else.
And I know that I am probably going to get a bunch of hate for this, but please before you get angry, think about what I am saying before you send the hate mail.
No, had you bothered to read this forum first, you find you're preaching to the choir.
We are not a Republican forum, we are a true Conservative forum, one that knows no party.
TEA...
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 01:43:28 PM
You are all wrong... The problem is not the person in the throne, but the fact that there is a throne to be sat in. You do all realize that you know what is best for you, and not the government? You do know that NO president ever cares about you, nor do they even know that you exist? Every president the same, and voting does not bring about change, and when it comes down to it, both parties are very similar, and they all achieve the same thing, a ruling class that is above the law (not morality), and that violently oppresses everyone else.
And I know that I am probably going to get a bunch of hate for this, but please before you get angry, think about what I am saying before you send the hate mail.
Oh no.... you didn't take the entire bottle, did you?
Quote from: Solar on July 09, 2017, 01:46:53 PM
No, had you bothered to read this forum first, you find you're preaching to the choir.
We are not a Republican forum, we are a true Conservative forum, one that knows no party.
TEA...
Im saying that government is the problem and even minarchy is not a good enough solution, we have to go all of the way. Far too many people believe in the myth of authority.
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 01:53:20 PM
Im saying that government is the problem and even minarchy is not a good enough solution, we have to go all of the way. Far too many people believe in the myth of authority.
What do you propose? Give us your plan.
Quote from: taxed on July 09, 2017, 01:53:51 PM
What do you propose? Give us your plan.
The best outcome would be a world without rulers (anarchy), and a voluntary society.
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 01:56:00 PM
The best outcome would be a world without rulers (anarchy), and a voluntary society.
I didn't ask you for your hopes and dreams. I asked you for your plan. Do you have one, or are you just needing a shoulder to cry on?
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 01:56:00 PM
The best outcome would be a world without rulers (anarchy), and a voluntary society.
Oh good God, a LIBostructionist?
That's a Lib turned LIBeratrian/anarchist, destroy all structure and let the chips fall where they may.
Son, let me be the first to tell you, you'll be the first to die in your new society.
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 01:56:00 PM
The best outcome would be a world without rulers (anarchy), and a voluntary society.
And you think your being walked on now. :lol:
They tell me Utopia will be after I am dead.
Quote from: Solar on July 09, 2017, 01:59:32 PM
Oh good God, a LIBostructionist?
That's a Lib turned LIBeratrian/anarchist, destroy all structure and let the chips fall where they may.
Son, let me be the first to tell you, you'll be the first to die in your new society.
I saw him first!!! He looks tasty...
Quote from: taxed on July 09, 2017, 02:00:08 PM
I saw him first!!! He looks tasty...
OK, but I get all his new camo gear he just bought for the occasion, mine's shot after 60 years of huntin libs.
Quote from: taxed on July 09, 2017, 01:57:52 PM
I didn't ask you for your hopes and dreams. I asked you for your plan. Do you have one, or are you just needing a shoulder to cry on?
No I do not need a shoulder to cry on. The plan is anarchy. We stop believing that this small group of people that we call government has any control over us, and as soon as that happens, we will not be bound by any laws. And that brings up a question, what is a law? A law is a threat, it is a statement made by the government saying that all of the people who live in the US will follow these rules and if they don't we will cage them. When it comes down to it, people are better able to decide what is best for them instead of some goons 300 miles away. We don't need the police and military, we don't need laws to know right from wrong, and we don't need tax collectors sealing from us without our consent. These are just very general statements I am making, I can explain in more detail later.
Quote from: Solar on July 09, 2017, 02:03:03 PM
OK, but I get all his new camo gear he just bought for the occasion, mine's shot after 60 years of huntin libs.
He outgrew most of it anyway, getting nice and plump in his mother's basement.....
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 02:03:36 PM
No I do not need a shoulder to cry on. The plan is anarchy. We stop believing that this small group of people that we call government has any control over us, and as soon as that happens, we will not be bound by any laws. And that brings up a question, what is a law? A law is a threat, it is a statement made by the government saying that all of the people who live in the US will follow these rules and if they don't we will cage them. When it comes down to it, people are better able to decide what is best for them instead of some goons 300 miles away. We don't need the police and military, we don't need laws to know right from wrong, and we don't need tax collectors sealing from us without our consent. These are just very general statements I am making, I can explain in more detail later.
This is the problem with reformed libs, you misdirect your anger, you want to destroy everything and consequence be damned.
Learn some damned history, from anarchy invariably comes a despot communist promising to stop all the suffering, only to create even more suffering.
Seriously, crack a God Damned history book!
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 02:03:36 PM
No I do not need a shoulder to cry on. The plan is anarchy. We stop believing that this small group of people that we call government has any control over us, and as soon as that happens, we will not be bound by any laws. And that brings up a question, what is a law? A law is a threat, it is a statement made by the government saying that all of the people who live in the US will follow these rules and if they don't we will cage them. When it comes down to it, people are better able to decide what is best for them instead of some goons 300 miles away. We don't need the police and military, we don't need laws to know right from wrong, and we don't need tax collectors sealing from us without our consent. These are just very general statements I am making, I can explain in more detail later.
Oh, sounds cool. Where will you live?
Quote from: Solar on July 09, 2017, 02:07:55 PM
This is the problem with reformed libs, you misdirect your anger, you want to destroy everything and consequence be damned.
Learn some damned history, from anarchy invariably comes a despot communist promising to stop all the suffering, only to create even more suffering.
Seriously, crack a God Damned history book!
Why do you believe we need government? Why do you think that people can not interact with each other voluntarily?
Quote from: taxed on July 09, 2017, 02:10:30 PM
Oh, sounds cool. Where will you live?
What do you mean where will you live? Are you asking about private property or is this a question relating to borders?
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 02:13:05 PM
What do you mean where will you live? Are you asking about private property or is this a question relating to borders?
Sure. How will you live comfortably? How will you protect it? I just want to know, because a bunch of friends of mine will come by and take all your stuff.
Quote from: taxed on July 09, 2017, 02:14:07 PM
Sure. How will you live comfortably? How will you protect it? I just want to know, because a bunch of friends of mine will come by and take all your stuff.
Now why did you go and tell him that? :lol:
Quote from: taxed on July 09, 2017, 02:14:07 PM
Sure. How will you live comfortably? How will you protect it? I just want to know, because a bunch of friends of mine will come by and take all your stuff.
I have the right do defend my life, home and things, just like everyone else, and as long as I am not the one initiating violence, I am morally allowed to use what force is necessary to defend myself and my things. And you are implying that people will immediately start stealing form people because we don't have laws (words written on paper) to prevent them from stealing. Just because we dont have tax collectors to steal our money and police to violently enforce laws if we do not comply with them, nobody will be able to function, and everyone will start committing immoral acts. That is just absurd.
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 02:10:36 PM
Why do you believe we need government? Why do you think that people can not interact with each other voluntarily?
Seriously? Look around outside your little suburban bubble, people are killing one another for no reason, Marxists want to destroy this nation as well, which is why the Dim party created Black Lies Matters, KKK, why they align with CPUSA, and any number of racist and hate groups, yes, they, just like you, want anarchy.
I want the rule of law so children can safely play outside, that mothers can shop safely at the store to feed their family when their father gets home from a hard days work.
Think about that. You claim that we fall for lies, yet here you are playing right into their hands.
Do you really want to subject your mother to a society where everything she cares about is in danger or threat?
Quote from: Solar on July 09, 2017, 02:19:06 PM
Seriously? Look around outside your little suburban bubble, people are killing one another for no reason, Marxists want to destroy this nation as well, which is why the Dim party created Black Lies Matters, KKK, why they align with CPUSA, and any number of racist and hate groups, yes, they, just like you, want anarchy.
I want the rule of law so children can safely play outside, that mothers can shop safely at the store to feed their family when their father gets home from a hard days work.
Think about that. You claim that we fall for lies, yet here you are playing right into their hands.
Do you really want to subject your mother to a society where everything she cares about is in danger or threat?
"If men were angels, no government would be necessary". -James Madison Federalist 51. I assume you have all read the federalist papers, and if you have not, you really should. I am assuming that you have a very similar viewpoint to Madison, and that you believe that most people are bad in nature. Madison states that we need government because people are not perfect. So because we are not perfect and cant be trusted to live our own lives, we need to have all of these irresponsible people vote and elevate one irresponsible person to immense power to control everyone else. Think about how stupid that is.
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 02:18:52 PM
I have the right do defend my life, home and things,
You're right, and I have the right to take it. You don't have a deed or anything on your area, and I really like the fire pit you have set up, so I'm just going to take it.
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just like everyone else, and as long as I am not the one initiating violence, I am morally allowed to use what force is necessary to defend myself and my things.
I agree. I like a fighter... makes it fun...
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And you are implying that people will immediately start stealing form people because we don't have laws (words written on paper) to prevent them from stealing.
Immediately? Depends how hungry they are.
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Just because we dont have tax collectors to steal our money
We don't need income taxes. The IRS should be abolished.
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and police to violently enforce laws if we do not comply with them,
I'm OK with police enforcing the law...
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nobody will be able to function, and everyone will start committing immoral acts. That is just absurd.
Not everybody. Some will be nice and peaceful. Others will try and take what they want. If someone doesn't have respect for one's private property while we have laws, why would they when there are no laws?
Quote from: taxed on July 09, 2017, 02:24:15 PM
You're right, and I have the right to take it. You don't have a deed or anything on your area, and I really like the fire pit you have set up, so I'm just going to take it.
I agree. I like a fighter... makes it fun...
Immediately? Depends how hungry they are.
We don't need income taxes. The IRS should be abolished.
I'm OK with that.
Not everybody. Some will be nice and peaceful. Others will try and take what they want. If someone doesn't have respect for one's private property while we have laws, why would they when there are no laws?
Can we both agree that most people will not do what you are saying? And remember that you can hire people to protect you if you really find it necessary, because all of those services will be privatized. In addition, you should know that its not much different that what is going on now. We have property taxes mortgages ect, and if I fail to pay them, my house and everything is taken away. In the anarchist society, the only threat to my land and things are evil people, and when you look at the world, you can see that most people do not want violence. You can see that when people get into car crashes. Most of them are peaceful and each person just exchanges information, sometimes they may yell at each other, and even fewer times they may get into a physical fight, but it very rarely escalates past that.
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 02:24:14 PM
"If men were angels, no government would be necessary". -James Madison Federalist 51. I assume you have all read the federalist papers, and if you have not, you really should. I am assuming that you have a very similar viewpoint to Madison, and that you believe that most people are bad in nature. Madison states that we need government because people are not perfect. So because we are not perfect and cant be trusted to live our own lives, we need to have all of these irresponsible people vote and elevate one irresponsible person to immense power to control everyone else. Think about how stupid that is.
Are you smarter than James Madison?
Quote from: taxed on July 09, 2017, 02:29:23 PM
Are you smarter than James Madison?
I am saying he had the wrong Ideas.
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 02:24:14 PM
"If men were angels, no government would be necessary". -James Madison Federalist 51. I assume you have all read the federalist papers, and if you have not, you really should.
We're Conservatives, all Conservatives see it as a requisite.
QuoteI am assuming that you have a very similar viewpoint to Madison, and that you believe that most people are bad in nature.
No, you are reading his statement wrong. He never said he believes most people are bad.
QuoteMadison states that we need government because people are not perfect. So because we are not perfect and cant be trusted to live our own lives, we need to have all of these irresponsible people vote and elevate one irresponsible person to immense power to control everyone else. Think about how stupid that is.
Again you butcher the meaning of our Founding documents.
Do you even know why we have a Bill of Rights, or why we have a Constitution?
Obviously not, because you just spouted the exact opposite of its existence. They created it so the States would have control, not the other way around.
We have only ourselves and those generations before us who grew govt to what it is today, which is why it is our responsibility to purge the party's of Marxists, yes, both party's, and most importantly the gop'E.
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 02:29:13 PM
Can we both agree that most people will not do what you are saying? And remember that you can hire people to protect you if you really find it necessary, because all of those services will be privatized. In addition, you should know that its not much different that what is going on now. We have property taxes mortgages ect, and if I fail to pay them, my house and everything is taken away. In the anarchist society, the only threat to my land and things are evil people, and when you look at the world, you can see that most people do not want violence. You can see that when people get into car crashes. Most of them are peaceful and each person just exchanges information, sometimes they may yell at each other, and even fewer times they may get into a physical fight, but it very rarely escalates past that.
I also understand the argument you are trying to make, but lets be honest, you are misrepresenting the number of people that will come to take my stuff. Ask your neighbors, if there were no rules, would they go to some random persons house and steal all of their stuff or any of their stuff, just because.
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 02:29:13 PM
Can we both agree that most people will not do what you are saying?
I see you don't live Chicago, Illinois.
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 02:29:13 PM
Can we both agree that most people will not do what you are saying?
I can't agree, because I don't know. I think people will be forced to hunker down at first and figure out what's going on. The scenario you talk about will happen, sooner than later if we get an EMP attack, volcano eruption, or some such scenario that isn't beyond the real of possibility. After that, people's hunger and desire to live take priority over any feelings you might have. Invaders have been raiding and pillaging villages and communities all over the world since the beginning of time. I don't want that. I like knowing my property is my property, protected by the enforcement of law.
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And remember that you can hire people to protect you if you really find it necessary,
How? With what money? Also, I have that right now. It's called "the police".
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because all of those services will be privatized.
I'll get more people and just take all your stuff, and force your security to work for me.
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In addition, you should know that its not much different that what is going on now. We have property taxes mortgages ect, and if I fail to pay them, my house and everything is taken away.
All I have to do is be halfway productive in our society and that won't happen. You are making the mistake of using income taxes as a justification for your stupid system. Most of us on this forum think the IRS should be abolished and the Sixteenth Amendment be repealed.
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In the anarchist society, the only threat to my land and things are evil people, and when you look at the world, you can see that most people do not want violence. You can see that when people get into car crashes. Most of them are peaceful and each person just exchanges information, sometimes they may yell at each other, and even fewer times they may get into a physical fight, but it very rarely escalates past that.
That's sweet. I'll remember that as I take all your cattle and rape the women in your village. I hope you have blonds...
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 02:36:26 PM
I also understand the argument you are trying to make, but lets be honest, you are misrepresenting the number of people that will come to take my stuff. Ask your neighbors, if there were no rules, would they go to some random persons house and steal all of their stuff or any of their stuff, just because.
It happens with rules and laws. Why would it not happen without?
Quote from: Solar on July 09, 2017, 02:34:55 PM
We're Conservatives, all Conservatives see it as a requisite.No, you are reading his statement wrong. He never said he believes most people are bad.
Again you butcher the meaning of our Founding documents.
Do you even know why we have a Bill of Rights, or why we have a Constitution?
Obviously not, because you just spouted the exact opposite of its existence. They created it so the States would have control, not the other way around.
We have only ourselves and those generations before us who grew govt to what it is today, which is why it is our responsibility to purge the party's of Marxists, yes, both party's, and most importantly the gop'E.
You can not go back to the constitution and the bill of rights, it didn't work, and going back to it wont work either. That is doing the same thing again and expecting different results.
Quote from: taxed on July 09, 2017, 02:38:12 PM
It happens with rules and laws. Why would it not happen without?
You are blowing the number of bad people completely out of proportion.
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 02:29:13 PM
Can we both agree that most people will not do what you are saying?
Absolutely not! When shit hits the fan, and it will, people will be out for themselves, only, get in my way and you die, quickly, that's the law of the jungle and survival.
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QuoteAnd remember that you can hire people to protect you if you really find it necessary, because all of those services will be privatized.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
And your armed security force will outnumber you and take what you have.
In addition, you should know that its not much different that what is going on now. We have property taxes mortgages ect, and if I fail to pay them, my house and everything is taken away. In the anarchist society, the only threat to my land and things are evil people, and when you look at the world, you can see that most people do not want violence.
Why are you under the illusion they'll fight on your terms? Hell, if I want to kill you, I'll just burn you out. just sayin...
QuoteYou can see that when people get into car crashes. Most of them are peaceful and each person just exchanges information, sometimes they may yell at each other, and even fewer times they may get into a physical fight, but it very rarely escalates past that.
Wow, I seriously suggest y ou crack a history book.
Quote from: Solar on July 09, 2017, 02:41:48 PM
Absolutely not! When shit hits the fan, and it will, people will be out for themselves, only, get in my way and you die, quickly, that's the law of the jungle and survival.
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And your armed security force will outnumber you and take what you have.
In addition, you should know that its not much different that what is going on now. We have property taxes mortgages ect, and if I fail to pay them, my house and everything is taken away. In the anarchist society, the only threat to my land and things are evil people, and when you look at the world, you can see that most people do not want violence.
Why are you under the illusion they'll fight on your terms? Hell, if I want to kill you, I'll just burn you out. just sayin...
Wow, I seriously suggest y ou crack a history book.
Your views of the world are a projection of your consciousness... You have a very low view of humanity.
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 02:36:26 PM
I also understand the argument you are trying to make, but lets be honest, you are misrepresenting the number of people that will come to take my stuff. Ask your neighbors, if there were no rules, would they go to some random persons house and steal all of their stuff or any of their stuff, just because.
I'm almost certain, under the right circumstances, they'd kill me and take my stuff to survive, I have more than they do, and in a couple of weeks when their food runs out, they won't ask politely a second time..
Do any of you know anything about the Occult? If not I suggest you look into it. Very interesting stuff.
Quote from: Solar on July 09, 2017, 02:44:15 PM
I'm almost certain, under the right circumstances, they'd kill me and take my stuff to survive, I have more than they do, and in a couple of weeks when their food runs out, they won't ask politely a second time..
Your views of the world are a projection of your consciousness... You have a very low view of humanity.
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 02:43:36 PM
Your views of the world are a projection of your consciousness... You have a very low view of humanity.
Move to Chicago Illinois if humanity is soooooo nice. :lol:
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 02:45:01 PM
Do any of you know anything about the Occult? If not I suggest you look into it. Very interesting stuff.
Oh no... not another Anton LaVey follower....
Quote from: walkstall on July 09, 2017, 02:46:08 PM
Move to Chicago Illinois if humanity is soooooo nice. :lol:
Chicago is messed up because of government, no place is naturally like that.
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 02:45:40 PM
Your views of the world are a projection of your consciousness... You have a very low view of humanity.
I have a positive view of humanity. I understand we're mostly good, but we need laws to keep the nuts in place.
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 02:39:33 PM
You can not go back to the constitution and the bill of rights, it didn't work, and going back to it wont work either. That is doing the same thing again and expecting different results.
Nothing last forever, that's just the way life is, but do you not agree, it was the best document ever written, where putting the people in charge of their own destinies ever existed?
With that in mind, what do you propose after you destroy society? Keep in mind, they'll do it again, so how would you prevent a repeat of history?
Quote from: taxed on July 09, 2017, 02:46:45 PM
Oh no... not another Anton LaVey follower....
No, I am not a satanist, but most people are, even though they do not know it.
Quote from: Solar on July 09, 2017, 02:48:02 PM
Nothing last forever, that's just the way life is, but do you not agree, it was the best document ever written, where putting the people in charge of their own destinies ever existed?
With that in mind, what do you propose after you destroy society? Keep in mind, they'll do it again, so how would you prevent a repeat of history?
You are saying that one possible outcome of anarchy is that we end up back where we are right now. That does not sound like a terrible thing to me.
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 02:43:36 PM
Your views of the world are a projection of your consciousness... You have a very low view of humanity.
Yes, I do, because I've been around long enough to experience it up close and personal.
That doesn't mean I don't look for the best in humanity, I just know it has a propensity for violence.
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 02:48:14 PM
No, I am not a satanist, but most people are, even though they do not know it.
Sounds good. Let me know if you ever figure out that anachary plan. If you're too lazy to read history, at least start watching some "The Walking Dead". I don't want to live like that.
Quote from: taxed on July 09, 2017, 02:50:29 PM
Sounds good. Let me know if you ever figure out that anachary plan. If you're too lazy to read history, at least start watching some "The Walking Dead". I don't want to live like that.
Negan=Government
Quote from: taxed on July 09, 2017, 02:50:29 PM
Sounds good. Let me know if you ever figure out that anachary plan. If you're too lazy to read history, at least start watching some "The Walking Dead". I don't want to live like that.
And since you are obviously stuck in your ways and are unwilling to open your mind to the possibility that you are wrong, what is your plan? I am open minded and will give you a courtesy that you did not give me.
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 02:52:12 PM
Negan=Government
I'm sure you're a sweet boy. Just be sure to turn off your corporate-made Macbook Pro after you're done posting.
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 02:49:58 PM
You are saying that one possible outcome of anarchy is that we end up back where we are right now. That does not sound like a terrible thing to me.
If that's the case, then why are you endorsing anarchy, why not have faith in your fellow man in helping him correct the problem rather than destroy it in total?
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 02:54:12 PM
And since you are obviously stuck in your ways and are unwilling to open your mind to the possibility that you are wrong, what is your plan? I am open minded and will give you a courtesy that you did not give me.
I'm older than you and have thought about this a million times. It's part of getting older and gaining experience as to how things work and how people behave, hence why I encourage you to learn through this.
Once you get to a position where you're not young and strong, and you have things, savings, property, etc., you'll see the world from a different perspective.
Quote from: Solar on July 09, 2017, 02:54:25 PM
If that's the case, then why are you endorsing anarchy, why not have faith in your fellow man in helping him correct the problem rather than destroy it in total?
If government is the problem as you just stated, no matter what you do to it, government is still government, and will always be a problem until it does not exist. And to answer your question, humanity has been trying to create the ideal society for thousands of years, and it still has not happened. And the reason America is so great, is because it is the biggest step in the right direction. That is why it is the best place right now but why settle? Why should I accept something that is not the best it could be?
Quote from: taxed on July 09, 2017, 02:56:28 PM
I'm older than you and have thought about this a million times. It's part of getting older and gaining experience as to how things work and how people behave, hence why I encourage you to learn through this.
Once you get to a position where you're not young and strong, and you have things, savings, property, etc., you'll see the world from a different perspective.
Then help me learn. What is your ideal society then? I want to hear your ideas.
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 03:00:55 PM
Then help me learn. What is your ideal society then? I want to hear your ideas.
There is no ideal society, but I think we have the best one around.
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 02:54:12 PM
And since you are obviously stuck in your ways and are unwilling to open your mind to the possibility that you are wrong, what is your plan? I am open minded and will give you a courtesy that you did not give me.
Look, we get it, we hate what's become of our govt, each and every one of us wishes we could snap our fingers and make all the bad go away.
Hell, most of us would love to strap all the Marxist RINO to a rocket and set it off, but more than likely they'd enjoy it.
So we do what is necessary and see that they don't get reelected.
But one thing is certain, we're not quite yet at the point of anarchy, no, first we'll follow the laws before us and remove the govt in power, but most apparently wanted to give Trump a shot first, not this forum, but the majority that voted, so we're all willing to give him a shot, because that's what the law says.
Yes, we all wish we weren't in the mess we're in, but most of us like order so anarchism is out of the question, that is, until the day the govt turns its guns on the populace, then all bets are off.
Just think if the kids at Tiananmen square had the Second Amendment.
Quote from: Solar on July 09, 2017, 03:03:49 PM
Look, we get it, we hate what's become of our govt, each and every one of us wishes we could snap our fingers and make all the bad go away.
Hell, most of us would love to strap all the Marxist RINO to a rocket and set it off, but more than likely they'd enjoy it.
We are making progress... http://www.mars-one.com/
Quote from: Solar on July 09, 2017, 03:03:49 PM
Look, we get it, we hate what's become of our govt, each and every one of us wishes we could snap our fingers and make all the bad go away.
Hell, most of us would love to strap all the Marxist RINO to a rocket and set it off, but more than likely they'd enjoy it.
So we do what is necessary and see that they don't get reelected.
But one thing is certain, we're not quite yet at the point of anarchy, no, first we'll follow the laws before us and remove the govt in power, but most apparently wanted to give Trump a shot first, not this forum, but the majority that voted, so we're all willing to give him a shot, because that's what the law says.
Yes, we all wish we weren't in the mess we're in, but most of us like order so anarchism is out of the question, that is, until the day the govt turns its guns on the populace, then all bets are off.
Just think if the kids at Tiananmen square had the Second Amendment.
Activism and voting does not work, look at Colorado and the legalization of marijuana. They voted to have it legalized, but the federal government still raids houses and steals peoples things there.
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 02:58:35 PM
If government is the problem as you just stated, no matter what you do to it, government is still government, and will always be a problem until it does not exist. And to answer your question, humanity has been trying to create the ideal society for thousands of years, and it still has not happened. And the reason America is so great, is because it is the biggest step in the right direction. That is why it is the best place right now but why settle? Why should I accept something that is not the best it could be?
That's my point, there is no Utopia, never was and never will be as long as man is in charge.
It's sad that we require govt when you think about it, the trick is to not let it get oppressive, which is, in essence, what you advocate, law of the jungle, where might makes right, where you oppress others for your so called freedoms.
Quote from: Solar on July 09, 2017, 03:08:16 PM
That's my point, there is no Utopia, never was and never will be as long as man is in charge.
It's sad that we require govt when you think about it, the trick is to not let it get oppressive, which is, in essence, what you advocate, law of the jungle, where might makes right, where you oppress others for your so called freedoms.
It is not a right if you have to oppress others to get or maintain it.
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 03:08:08 PM
Activism and voting does not work, look at Colorado and the legalization of marijuana. They voted to have it legalized, but the federal government still raids houses and steals peoples things there.
Government is the problem, but we need some. In our society, things aren't perfect. In our justice system, some innocent people are wrongly convicted. Some guilty go free. There are cops who are bad apples, but we have many who are not and do want to keep order in their cities and areas. Some laws are too lenient, and others are too harsh. On and on, I would rather have the fight at the election booth rather than having to hunker down non-stop in a state of constant defense.
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 03:10:10 PM
It is not a right if you have to oppress others to get or maintain it.
Who is being oppressed? How?
Quote from: taxed on July 09, 2017, 03:11:58 PM
Government is the problem, but we need some. In our society, things aren't perfect. In our justice system, some innocent people are wrongly convicted. Some guilty go free. There are cops who are bad apples, but we have many who are not and do want to keep order in their cities and areas. Some laws are too lenient, and others are too harsh. On and on, I would rather have the fight at the election booth rather than having to hunker down non-stop in a state of constant defense.
I have to disagree with you, there, but my beliefs do not require you to believe what I believe.
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 03:10:10 PM
It is not a right if you have to oppress others to get or maintain it.
That's all anarchy is, a lack of law and order, where every man makes his own rules for survival.
And yes, where laws do not exist, you have a
Right to life, whatever it takes to survive, and if that means oppressing others, so be it, but just remember, they have the same Right to life, and taking yours may be necessary.
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 03:13:31 PM
I have to disagree with you, there, but my beliefs do not require you to believe what I believe.
So are you suggesting we all revert to tribes and local barter? I'm interested in what you consider order and how you plan to achieve it absent law and order.
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 03:13:31 PM
I have to disagree with you, there, but my beliefs do not require you to believe what I believe.
Our Constitution, upheld by the mean old government, agrees with you.
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 02:03:36 PM
No I do not need a shoulder to cry on. The plan is anarchy. We stop believing that this small group of people that we call government has any control over us, and as soon as that happens, we will not be bound by any laws. And that brings up a question, what is a law? A law is a threat, it is a statement made by the government saying that all of the people who live in the US will follow these rules and if they don't we will cage them. When it comes down to it, people are better able to decide what is best for them instead of some goons 300 miles away. We don't need the police and military, we don't need laws to know right from wrong, and we don't need tax collectors sealing from us without our consent. These are just very general statements I am making, I can explain in more detail later.
Let's start with one specific. Government ACHIEVES its results by threat of force. It sometimes carries out that threat, either through National Guard or civilian police departments responding to specific events. To achieve those results, the use of weapons are involved, and since 2001 these same departments have militarized their own weapons to meet the continued threats from within.
Think deeply. How ya gonna round up your own army if government knows who you are and where to grab your gun? How are you anarchists going to outgun those who most want to remain in power?
Be specific. How?
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 02:47:38 PM
Chicago is messed up because of government, no place is naturally like that.
I see you don't get around much.
Seattle Wa.
Portland Or.
San Francisco Cal.
Washington D.C.
Quote from: walkstall on July 09, 2017, 03:28:19 PM
I see you don't get around much.
Seattle Wa.
Portland Or.
San Francisco Cal.
Washington D.C.
Modesto, Stockton, Oakland, Freemont, Compton, Detroit, or just name any liberal hub.
Quote from: Solar on July 09, 2017, 03:31:23 PM
Modesto, Stockton, Oakland, Freemont, Compton, Detroit, or just name any liberal hub.
If the state have a Dem governor their in deep shit.
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Round 2!
Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 02:43:36 PM
Your views of the world are a projection of your consciousness... You have a very low view of humanity.
I am not going to get heavily involved with this thread as Walks, Solar and Taxed are handling it just fine. However, after reading some of your posts I though that one highlighted sentence sums up where you are. We do not have a low view of all humanity, but we have a realistic view of it. There are evil people all around us and day to day survival depends upon identifying them and taking steps not to be harmed by them. Your fantasy world does not exist or ever will.
Quote from: supsalemgr on July 10, 2017, 04:35:18 AM
I am not going to get heavily involved with this thread as Walks, Solar and Taxed are handling it just fine. However, after reading some of your posts I though that one highlighted sentence sums up where you are. We do not have a low view of all humanity, but we have a realistic view of it. There are evil people all around us and day to day survival depends upon identifying them and taking steps not to be harmed by them. Your fantasy world does not exist or ever will.
Yep, it took the world multiple millennia' just to get this far.
That's why I said he needs to get out of his suburbanite bubble and discover the world around him.
One thing I learned traveling the world, is that human nature never changes, it's natural in the system of barter to not be taken, or take advantage of and get the most bang for your buck, that using intimidation without following through with threat, only because society follows certain rules backed up with a threat of retaliation from some form of govt.
Remove that govt and there is nothing to stop the formation of gangs and taking the place of govt, as in mob rule/Democracy, where the majority, or rather mob, empower themselves through numbers to combat resistance.
He's under the illusion these mobs will do the right thing. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2017, 06:45:47 AM
Yep, it took the world multiple millennia' just to get this far.
That's why I said he needs to get out of his suburbanite bubble and discover the world around him.
One thing I learned traveling the world, is that human nature never changes, it's natural in the system of barter to not be taken, or take advantage of and get the most bang for your buck, that using intimidation without following through with threat, only because society follows certain rules backed up with a threat of retaliation from some form of govt.
Remove that govt and there is nothing to stop the formation of gangs and taking the place of govt, as in mob rule/Democracy, where the majority, or rather mob, empower themselves through numbers to combat resistance.
He's under the illusion these mobs will do the right thing. :rolleyes:
Just a couple of examples in our country is south Chicago and parts of New Orleans.
Quote from: supsalemgr on July 10, 2017, 07:55:23 AM
Just a couple of examples in our country is south Chicago and parts of New Orleans.
Perfect example during the flood, and they still had a functioning govt in place..
Quote from: supsalemgr on July 10, 2017, 07:55:23 AM
Just a couple of examples in our country is south Chicago and parts of New Orleans.
This is just part of why his Utopia will not work and this is just the U.S.
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The most commonly cited statistic is that are about 2.3 million inmates on any given day. This statistic comes from a survey conducted by the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), a division of the U.S. Department of Justice, which found that on June 30, 2009, the United States housed 203,233 Federal prisoners, 1,326,547 State prisoners, and 767,620 detainees in local jails.
In addition, it is estimated that more than 80,000 youth are held in juvenile detention facilities on any given day. Before being deported, about 400,000 people a year pass through our Nation's immigration detention system, which is run principally by the Department of Homeland Security. BJS also estimates that during a year's time 12-13 million people are processed through the approximately 3,100 jail facilities throughout the Nation.
Finally, the Bureau of Indian Affairs oversees jails in Indian Country, and the Department of Defense has its own network of more than sixty detention facilities all over the globe. Hundreds of thousands more individuals are also housed in halfway houses and police lockups; no one knows the exact number.
more @
https://members.aja.org/About/StatisticsOfNote.aspx
To be quite honest, I don't. I don't think he stands for our values. I think he's trying to scam the GOP. He's not like Reagan who really cared and wanted to make changes. George W. Bush was kind of a disappointment but I at least trusted him. I'd be ok with Pence as our President. But Donald Trump is not a real Republican.
Quote from: Sandra2020 on July 15, 2017, 11:44:35 AM
To be quite honest, I don't. I don't think he stands for our values. I think he's trying to scam the GOP. He's not like Reagan who really cared and wanted to make changes. George W. Bush was kind of a disappointment but I at least trusted him. I'd be ok with Pence as our President. But Donald Trump is not a real Republican.
What's funny, is he's an admitted lib, yet he's still far Right of most of the gop'E.
Quote from: Sandra2020 on July 15, 2017, 11:44:35 AM
To be quite honest, I don't. I don't think he stands for our values. I think he's trying to scam the GOP. He's not like Reagan who really cared and wanted to make changes. George W. Bush was kind of a disappointment but I at least trusted him. I'd be ok with Pence as our President. But Donald Trump is not a real Republican.
Please. Do not try to combine conservatives and republicans into the same thing. They are not. There is not a dime's worth of difference between democrats and GOPe. This has been proven by the TEA movement since 2009. Fortunately, we have been successful in adding conservatives in the house, but the senate is still overrun by RINO's.
Quote from: Sandra2020 on July 15, 2017, 11:44:35 AM
To be quite honest, I don't. I don't think he stands for our values. I think he's trying to scam the GOP. He's not like Reagan who really cared and wanted to make changes. George W. Bush was kind of a disappointment but I at least trusted him. I'd be ok with Pence as our President. But Donald Trump is not a real Republican.
Is President Trump more liberal than Bush? Pence has the spine of a jellyfish.
Quote from: taxed on July 15, 2017, 12:56:05 PM
Is President Trump more liberal than Bush? Pence has the spine of a jellyfish.
So far, his Congress is spending more than any POTUS before him.
Quote from: Solar on July 15, 2017, 01:03:23 PM
So far, his Congress is spending more than any POTUS before him.
I consider it treason to spend like they have. We have plenty of space in the desert to "move" problems to.
Quote from: taxed on July 15, 2017, 02:11:54 PM
I consider it treason to spend like they have. We have plenty of space in the desert to "move" problems to.
Would it be wrong if we were to stuff these gop'E Marxists in Yucca nuclear waste facility, or would that pollute the earth too much?
Quote from: Solar on July 15, 2017, 06:16:51 PM
Would it be wrong if we were to stuff these gop'E Marxists in Yucca nuclear waste facility, or would that pollute the earth too much?
As long as we try and convert them into energy first...
Quote from: taxed on July 15, 2017, 06:19:26 PM
As long as we try and convert them into energy first...
See? THis is why you're my partner. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Solar on July 15, 2017, 06:51:50 PM
See? THis is why you're my partner. :thumbsup:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: taxed on July 15, 2017, 02:11:54 PM
I consider it treason to spend like they have. We have plenty of space in the desert to "move" problems to.
It appears McConnell is throwing money at some RINO senators to get their support for the healthcare bill.
Quote from: supsalemgr on July 16, 2017, 05:18:17 AM
It appears McConnell is throwing money at some RINO senators to get their support for the healthcare bill.
Sounds more and more like the RINO's have learn from the Dem's. Money can buy a vote.
Quote from: walkstall on July 16, 2017, 06:05:54 AM
Sounds more and more like the RINO's have learn from the Dem's. Money can buy a vote.
Orrr...Is it that the gop'E is nothing but Dims doing what comes naturally?
Quote from: Solar on July 16, 2017, 06:10:15 AM
Orrr...Is it that the gop'E is nothing but Dims doing what comes naturally?
Most of us have known this for some time. However, now they are being forced into showing their true colors.