Quote from: Ms.Independence on July 05, 2017, 04:33:19 PM
We will never really know. President Trump's pre-inaugural evening moved me to tears.  I am pleased  that he kept his promise and appointed a conservative justice.  He has shown some leadership and it is a shame that the DEM/RINO railroading is taking place. As I stated, I think it's premature at this time to assess his presidency. I do feel so far, we are heading in a more positive direction under President Trump than Bammy.  I feel I can  accurately assess the continued actions of the RINO's and DEMS; despicable and deplorable!

It is indeed still early, but I'm not ready to toss him to the side.  I'm pretty optimistic, and have accepted that I can't telegraph his moves.  I think in the deep DC game he's playing with the intel agencies, entrenchment, etc., we need someone pretty unconventional -- someone crazy enough to plow through and punch back.

And yes, it's a no brainer that Cruz would have won had Rubio dropped out.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 05, 2017, 04:21:11 PMThat being said, is trump actually doing anything that makes us like him? Are we as a people better with him? Or are we just going to decline further and further?

Only time will tell, he has not even been in a year yet.

QuoteWhy go with a lib who might grab your daughters ..... Because he's rich?

"Who might"  Hello MSM BS.

QuoteOur system seems screwed. We are literally arguing on behalf of someone who has been the worst of us and hasn't apologized for it.

You must be talking about b o and the Dem's.

QuoteAnd what's on the other hand? A bunch of people hating the white male hederosexual... We are backed in a bullshit corner.

You may be but I am not.  I don't live in the city.

QuoteThis game seems rigged.

It has been rigged for years, this is not new.

QuoteAm I wrong? If so, I'm listening.

It took over 60 years to be in this mess.  It will not change over night and that's what the NOW Generation thinks it can be done.

By the way. IF there were more "locker room talk" over the last 20 years we would not be in this mess.

Remember they had dueling with guns back in 1776.   

Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 05, 2017, 11:22:43 AM
Does anyone actually like him? If so, why? 

I think you forgot part of your question.  Shouldn't it be: Do you like Trump compared to (fill in the blank).

Quote from: redsun on July 05, 2017, 03:34:11 PM
Solar, young man, you are one of the few here who can see through the muck.

Yeah, I'm just a hardass Con refusing to give up my values.
I supported Cruz and still do. For me, nothing has changed, the gop'E is still the enemy, and now even more so since the Dim party is dead and the Establishment Marxists filled their void by moving left.

I don't see him as a democrat or a republican. He's an opportunist with a lot of liberal tendencies. He's dome some good things so far. The courts, the EPA, NATO. It's too early to really gauge him. He may be a liberal but he does seem to have the country's best interests at heart.

Of course him giving the media and the establishment the middle finger is worth the price of admission.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 05, 2017, 07:25:17 PM
I don't see him as a democrat or a republican. He's an opportunist with a lot of liberal tendencies. He's dome some good things so far. The courts, the EPA, NATO. It's too early to really gauge him. He may be a liberal but he does seem to have the country's best interests at heart.

Of course him giving the media and the establishment the middle finger is worth the price of admission.

Right now I see him as a 100 year + olds democrat.  You just don't see many people like that in this day and age.

Quote from: walkstall on July 05, 2017, 03:38:43 PM
Trust me Solar is not alone.

His actions so far have been encouraging, but he is still no conservative.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 05, 2017, 11:22:43 AM
Does anyone actually like him? If so, why? 

I didn't vote for Him, I'm a Cruz man...still am.. I got mad when my state wouldn't let me write in Ted Cruz so I didn't vote at all.however, I REALLY WISH I HAD VOTED TRUMP, I definitely will next time around.

Lot of discussion about if he is a Lib, a RINO etc etc. Trump is first and foremost a businessman, and Businessmen have to learn the art of playing BOTH side's of the political fence. If anything, Trump is an old fashion Democrat, cut from the same cloth as Democrats of my Parents era. Both were staunch Democrats, working class Irish, there wasn't a "liberal" bone in their body, they were probably more "conservative" than today's conservatives.

They believed in a WORK ETHIC, not entitlement, welfare was the ultimate shame unless you were a destitute widow with kids. You went to work on Monday, and went to Church on Sunday, Abortion was murder, screw regulation and Govt flunkies, keep your guns cleaned and oiled, hunting season is just around the corner. Stick up for your rights and
take no crap from anyone or anything. But vote Democrat because they are the party of the working man. anD THEY LOVED AMERICA....MY COUNTRY RIGHT OR WRONG.

Now I see some of that in Trump but the "lines" have become so blurred in the past twenty and then ten years that neither the Republican party nor the Democratic party is what it once was. The Dems have been hijacked by the extreme radicals, they re no longer "democrats" but socialists, it is now the MARXIST PARTY OF AMERICA, the party of the extreme left. THe pubs have become like Democrats of old, big Govt, big regs, big business keep our bank accounts replenished.

These past few months have been an epiphany for me and a lot of people in my neck of the woods (Virginia) who were wary of that "New Yorker" Trump. The level of Govt corruption is mind blowing, the Govt is almost in open rebellion against Trump, the Republican party is almost as great an enemy towards Trump as the Marxist Party....I do believe a number of Pubs would vote for his "impeachment" on these phony charges of "collusion" .

Little by little, inch by inch the truth is coming out and more and more Americans are seeing the light, even the Dems, those who still think the Democratic party is the party of their Fathers. This means MORE SUPPORT for Trump. The Political hacks don't know what the hell to do, his POPULAR support is growing and they can't figure out how to stop it.

Do I like him...YES I LIke him, I like the fact he is up in their faces, I like the fact he does not take their crap lying down, I like the fact he puts them in their place and I like the fact he is profane, raucous and rowdy, you don't deal with an unruly mob of A-holes by being a milktoast. He is acting like a hostile maniac...which is great, my only problem is he is not enough of a hostile maniac. If it were me, I be sending US Marshals around to these Sanctuary Cities and be subpeonea-ing voter regs. I'd march them out in handcuffs if they didn't comply and throw their asses in the back of a paddy wagon.

However, I have to agree that doing things slowly, properly and patiently is the way to begin. Two sayings  learned from my tenure in Asia apply here:

If you wait by the river long enough, you will see the body of your enemy float on by.

SLowly, Slowly catchee Monkey.

Patience, patience, the enemy is making mistakes daily and imploding...enjoy the show.

Quote from: walkstall on July 05, 2017, 03:38:43 PM
Trust me Solar is not alone.

Yep! 

Quote from: walkstall on July 05, 2017, 07:43:22 PM

Right now I see him as a 100 year + olds democrat.  You just don't see many people like that in this day and age.

Who would be the most liberal Republican president in the 20th Century? Eisenhower? By all accounts the Donks wanted him to run under their banner, and looking back at his various guns-and-butter speeches it sounds as if he outdid even Tricky Dick on leaning left. (China opening was inevitable; if not Nixon then Bush the Elder.)

But comparing Trump to ANY liberal Republican is not doing justice to either side, until more data is in hand. Feed him the rope. See what kind of knots he turns it into.

You are all wrong... The problem is not the person in the throne, but the fact that there is a throne to be sat in. You do all realize that you know what is best for you, and not the government? You do know that NO president ever cares about you, nor do they even know that you exist? Every president the same, and voting does not bring about change, and when it comes down to it, both parties are very similar, and they all achieve the same thing, a ruling class that is above the law (not morality), and that violently oppresses everyone else.

And I know that I am probably going to get a bunch of hate for this, but please before you get angry, think about what I am saying before you send the hate mail.

Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 01:43:28 PM
You are all wrong... The problem is not the person in the throne, but the fact that there is a throne to be sat in. You do all realize that you know what is best for you, and not the government? You do know that NO president ever cares about you, nor do they even know that you exist? Every president the same, and voting does not bring about change, and when it comes down to it, both parties are very similar, and they all achieve the same thing, a ruling class that is above the law (not morality), and that violently oppresses everyone else.

And I know that I am probably going to get a bunch of hate for this, but please before you get angry, think about what I am saying before you send the hate mail.

No, had you bothered to read this forum first, you find you're preaching to the choir.
We are not a Republican forum, we are a true Conservative forum, one that knows no party.
TEA...

Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 01:43:28 PM
You are all wrong... The problem is not the person in the throne, but the fact that there is a throne to be sat in. You do all realize that you know what is best for you, and not the government? You do know that NO president ever cares about you, nor do they even know that you exist? Every president the same, and voting does not bring about change, and when it comes down to it, both parties are very similar, and they all achieve the same thing, a ruling class that is above the law (not morality), and that violently oppresses everyone else.

And I know that I am probably going to get a bunch of hate for this, but please before you get angry, think about what I am saying before you send the hate mail.

Oh no.... you didn't take the entire bottle, did you?

Quote from: Solar on July 09, 2017, 01:46:53 PM
No, had you bothered to read this forum first, you find you're preaching to the choir.
We are not a Republican forum, we are a true Conservative forum, one that knows no party.
TEA...

Im saying that government is the problem and even minarchy is not a good enough solution, we have to go all of the way. Far too many people believe in the myth of authority.