First healthcare, now the wall, I'm not so sure now that Gorsuch will be confirmed. I fully understand the DEMS trying to block funding, but where's the support from our majority?? :cursing:
Trump's border wall funding will likely have to wait
Republicans in Congress are considering delaying a decision on President Trump's request for $1.5 billion this year to begin construction on a border wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.
Reuters reported Tuesday that some Republicans say that the money needed for the project would likely not be in a spending bill that must pass next month to avoid a government shutdown. Sen. Roy Blunt, R-Mo., told Reuters that funding could be considered "at a later time."
Trump promised that Mexico would pay for his wall, a demand Mexico has repeatedly rejected.
Trump's first budget proposal to Congress, a preliminary draft that was light on details, asked lawmakers for a $2.6 billion down payment for the wall. An internal report prepared for Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly estimated that a wall along the entire border would cost about $21 billion...
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/28/trumps-border-wall-funding-will-likely-have-to-wait.html
This is funny. The RINO are threatening Trump with the budget.
Remember when the Marxist refused to deal with Congress? That's right, it was congress that shut down government.
This is going to backfire on the Establishment big time, they don't have the podium Trump has.
Mexico is never going to pay for the wall, and if we were Mexican we would agree with that decision.
IMO, the wall will never get built. As things get closer to congressional elections it will become less and less likely.
I also view it as an unnecessary measure towards halting immigration. There are other more effective ways to deal with it.
Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 06:59:37 AM
Mexico is never going to pay for the wall, and if we were Mexican we would agree with that decision.
IMO, the wall will never get built. As things get closer to congressional elections it will become less and less likely.
I also view it as an unnecessary measure towards halting immigration. There are other more effective ways to deal with it.
If you owned property and a nicely landscaped home in a bad part of the state, would you not lock your home, would you not fence your property with and install a solid gate?
Or would you rely on the honor system to keep it safe?
SO you are saying build walls between the upper east side and queens?
The analogy is flawed. If I owned a rich home in bad part of the state, which is odd zoning, but lets assume. I would be far more worried about an American committing a crime there then a 12year old and his mother fleeing Honduras.
As I said, there are better ways to stop illegal immigration.
I would be much worried about Monsanto putting cancer in my air.
Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 06:59:37 AM
Mexico is never going to pay for the wall, and if we were Mexican we would agree with that decision.
IMO, the wall will never get built. As things get closer to congressional elections it will become less and less likely.
I also view it as an unnecessary measure towards halting immigration. There are other more effective ways to deal with it.
First, never say never. Secondly, why do you feel that a wall is unnecessary? A wall not only provides a much needed physical barrier but also provides a visual barrier as well. I would be interested in hearing what more effective ways do you feel there are?
Four things are needed IMHO for effective illegal immigration control. #1 Announce to the Mexican people that the U.S. has adopted a zero tolerance policy for illegal immigration and those coming across come across at the risk of now being shot. #2 Start immediate deportation of illegals sitting in our prisons and empty our schools of illegals and deport those families. #3 Cut off all social programs to illegals; including Medicaid, food stamps, social security disability etc. #4 Build a wall similar to the one in Israel and put effective manpower behind it.
Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 07:19:41 AM
SO you are saying build walls between the upper east side and queens?
The analogy is flawed. If I owned a rich home in bad part of the state, which is odd zoning, but lets assume. I would be far more worried about an American committing a crime there then a 12year old and his mother fleeing Honduras.
As I said, there are better ways to stop illegal immigration.
I would be much worried about Monsanto putting cancer in my air.
You might worry about those putting drugs in our children more than Monsanto. The wall does more than curb illegal immigration. It also acts as a barrier against drug and human traffiking. As you said, it's one option of several - and we need to use several to stop the flow at that border. Even more, it will pay for itself due to the curb in illegals that have to be processed time and time again. The cost for the wall is a big number but so is the cost to process illegals year after year.
Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 07:19:41 AM
SO you are saying build walls between the upper east side and queens?
The analogy is flawed. If I owned a rich home in bad part of the state, which is odd zoning, but lets assume. I would be far more worried about an American committing a crime there then a 12year old and his mother fleeing Honduras.
As I said, there are better ways to stop illegal immigration.
I would be much worried about Monsanto putting cancer in my air.
No, actually your analogy is very weak. First of all a 12 year old and his mother fleeing Honduras and coming into this country are committing a crime by entering this country ILLEGALLY.
I'm not going to do your research for you but the negative impact of illegal immigration on this country is staggering and significant. Websites like the Pew Research Center, FAIR and Numbers USA are good starting points to begin looking up that stats. Sure, the 12 year old coming in with his mom seems innocent enough, but once here, how many more from her family will follow behind her? How many will want to come into this country for xyz reason? Take a look at Europe...terrorists are coming in under the guise of being a refugee. Europe is a mess and yes ... walls are now being built. Rapes, murders, burglaries are rampant committed by these refugees are rampant in many countries over in Europe ... again ... a quick google search works wonders. Belgium, France, German, Denmark are all experiencing refugee/immigration problems.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/16/opinion/can-germany-be-honest-about-its-refugee-problems.html?_r=0
You still haven't expounded upon your statement of there are better ways to stop illegal immigration. What would those ways be?
Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 06:59:37 AM
Mexico is never going to pay for the wall, and if we were Mexican we would agree with that decision.
IMO, the wall will never get built. As things get closer to congressional elections it will become less and less likely.
I also view it as an unnecessary measure towards halting immigration. There are other more effective ways to deal with it.
Mexico or rather Mexicans can easily be made to pay for the wall.
Every week they send billions of dollars back to Mexico in remittance thru outlets like western union and Xoom among others. Taxings such remittance would be just one way to pay for a wall.
Then again withdrawing foreign aide to Mexico and other Latin American source countries such as Guatemala etc would be another.
And a wall is a psychological barrier as well as a physical one. Very important in this undeclared war on our country.
Quote from: Ms.Independence on March 29, 2017, 08:23:48 AM
First, never say never. Secondly, why do you feel that a wall is unnecessary? A wall not only provides a much needed physical barrier but also provides a visual barrier as well. I would be interested in hearing what more effective ways do you feel there are?
Four things are needed IMHO for effective illegal immigration control. #1 Announce to the Mexican people that the U.S. has adopted a zero tolerance policy for illegal immigration and those coming across come across at the risk of now being shot. #2 Start immediate deportation of illegals sitting in our prisons and empty our schools of illegals and deport those families. #3 Cut off all social programs to illegals; including Medicaid, food stamps, social security disability etc. #4 Build a wall similar to the one in Israel and put effective manpower behind it.
Well said! The immigrants at issue are ILLEGAL - that means a law has been broken. And the Marxist chose not to enforce the law which has contributed to why illegals with families have proliferated and are being torn apart. That is one legacy Obama should own.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on March 29, 2017, 08:45:25 AM
Mexico or rather Mexicans can easily be made to pay for the wall.
Every week they send billions of dollars back to Mexico in remittance thru outlets like western union and Xoom among others. Taxings such remittance would be just one way to pay for a wall.
Then again withdrawing foreign aide to Mexico and other Latin American source countries such as Guatemala etc would be another.
And a wall is a psychological barrier as well as a physical one. Very important in this undeclared war on our country.
I like your idea of withdrawing foreign aide to Mexico and others to pay for the wall, but I'm not so sure that the amount would equal what is needed to pay for the wall. Certainly drastically reducing the amount of aid we give to other countries is a starting point. There are other places to recoup some of the money needed; the United States gives approximately $8 billion yearly in mandatory payments as an example.
To not fund the wall now is going to be a huge mistake and it could very well hurt those running for re-election in 2018.
http://us-foreign-aid.insidegov.com/
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/06/16/america-pay-way-too-much-for-united-nations.html
Quote from: topside on March 29, 2017, 08:26:33 AM
You might worry about those putting drugs in our children more than Monsanto. The wall does more than curb illegal immigration. It also acts as a barrier against drug and human traffiking. As you said, it's one option of several - and we need to use several to stop the flow at that border. Even more, it will pay for itself due to the curb in illegals that have to be processed time and time again. The cost for the wall is a big number but so is the cost to process illegals year after year.
The drugs being put in our children are from Pharma. Or have you not been following the opioid epidemic?
Shall we build a wall around big pharma?
Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 07:19:41 AM
SO you are saying build walls between the upper east side and queens?
The analogy is flawed. If I owned a rich home in bad part of the state, which is odd zoning, but lets assume. I would be far more worried about an American committing a crime there then a 12year old and his mother fleeing Honduras.
As I said, there are better ways to stop illegal immigration.
I would be much worried about Monsanto putting cancer in my air.
So you didn't like the fact that my analogy made perfect sense, that you had to shift the narrative to fit with your straw man?
Those so called "families" crossing the border cut right through your property to get into the country, assuming you didn't fence your property, and since you don't believe in locks either, they raided your fridge and took all the valuables they could carry.
That's human nature, no matter how moral of a person you are, protecting your family is priority #1, and had you been home, your life was second to his family's well-being.
Gee, just think what a fence and door locks could do.
Last time, use the quote function so the responding party knows you were talking to them, and also, it makes the conversation easier for the lurker to follow, which we have in the thousands.
Our readers are just as important as our posting members, they're the reason we're here.
Quote from: Solar on March 29, 2017, 10:01:06 AM
So you didn't like the fact that my analogy made perfect sense, that you had to shift the narrative to fit with your straw man?
Those so called "families" crossing the border cut right through your property to get into the country, assuming you didn't fence your property, and since you don't believe in locks either, they raided your fridge and took all the valuables they could carry.
That's human nature, no matter how moral of a person you are, protecting your family is priority #1, and had you been home, your life was second to his family's well-being.
Gee, just think what a fence and door locks could do.
Last time, use the quote function so the responding party knows you were talking to them, and also, it makes the conversation easier for the lurker to follow, which we have in the thousands.
Our readers are just as important as our posting members, they're the reason we're here.
Your analogy is embarrassing. Under it, every country should have a wall. We should have won along the Atlantic seaboard, with Canada, and on the pacific. The ranchers along the border have mocked the wall as pointless.
If you are concerned about crime you would focus on the fact that the US commits more murders then any other country on earth. Immigrants comitt crimes at lesser rates then Americans. Many immigrants fly right into airports.
There is crime in every town in America. Does every house have a wall around it? Should every?
DO you know why immigrants are coming from central America? Do you know why parents are sending ten year old girls to escape? Do you know what a refugee is? Do you know at least 70% of them are considered refugees under international law? Do you know that the US has military bases all over the world in other countries which destroy the environment and often rape young girls like in Asia? DO you know US companies employ children in central America to make baseballs and harvest sugar for ten cents a day? Do you know how many refugees countries in the Middle East have take cause we have started wars with them? How many refugees did Iraq war create? Who took them in? You know about the coup in Honduras? Do you know about the 50 military coups in the 80s that destroyed Central America. The CIA paying drug lords. Do you know how we force them to buy our tobacco under threat of pulling another coup as Kerry did? Even though it kills far more people then drugs? Where is your concern for the opioid epidemic started by American companies right here? Wall them off? You know the role banks playing in the drug trade? You know most drugs come in via ship or plane? You know immigrants comitt less crimes then whites and blacks?
You are a joke, and in a one on one debate I would annihilate you. You aren't a republican. You are basically a fascist.
Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 09:42:53 AM
The drugs being put in our children are from Pharma. Or have you not been following the opioid epidemic?
Shall we build a wall around big pharma?
Your responses are ingenuine - you've exhibited the typical behavior that you're mind is made up despite facts and no amount of debate will ever change it. It took about a microsecond to find this secondary source: ...
QuoteHeroin consumed in the US comes mainly from Afghanistan and Mexico, members of the UN's International Narcotics Control Board (INCB), said in Mexico City on Wednesday, March 2.
INCB's 2015 report also revealed that exporters of the vast amount of opium planted in Afghanistan have their eyes set on distribution in the US's growing market, similar to heroin trafficked from Mexico.
http://www.businessinsider.com/heroin-in-the-us-from-mexico-and-afghanistan-2016-3 (http://www.businessinsider.com/heroin-in-the-us-from-mexico-and-afghanistan-2016-3)
Of course, you have to be careful with secondary sources. A secondary source just means that someone else may have pulled something out of their ass instead of me. But this seems reference seems solid enough for this discussion.
I've known many families that are dealing with this horrific issue. And it's costing our nation a lot in terms of policing it and care for those who get addicted. Slowing this is just another part of the benefit to be had when we build the wall.
Don't get me wrong - I wish there were a better alternative. But building a wall is a logical component of protecting our southern border and battling several big problems for the US: Illegal immigration, terrorist entry, drug and human trafficking.
Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 10:17:56 AM
Your analogy is embarrassing. Under it, every country should have a wall. We should have won along the Atlantic seaboard, with Canada, and on the pacific. The ranchers along the border have mocked the wall as pointless.
If you are concerned about crime you would focus on the fact that the US commits more murders then any other country on earth. Immigrants comitt crimes at lesser rates then Americans. Many immigrants fly right into airports.
There is crime in every town in America. Does every house have a wall around it? Should every?
DO you know why immigrants are coming from central America? Do you know why parents are sending ten year old girls to escape? Do you know what a refugee is? Do you know at least 70% of them are considered refugees under international law? Do you know that the US has military bases all over the world in other countries which destroy the environment and often rape young girls like in Asia? DO you know US companies employ children in central America to make baseballs and harvest sugar for ten cents a day? Do you know how many refugees countries in the Middle East have take cause we have started wars with them? How many refugees did Iraq war create? Who took them in? You know about the coup in Honduras? Do you know about the 50 military coups in the 80s that destroyed Central America. The CIA paying drug lords. Do you know how we force them to buy our tobacco under threat of pulling another coup as Kerry did? Even though it kills far more people then drugs? Where is your concern for the opioid epidemic started by American companies right here? Wall them off? You know the role banks playing in the drug trade? You know most drugs come in via ship or plane? You know immigrants comitt less crimes then whites and blacks?
You are a joke, and in a one on one debate I would annihilate you. You aren't a republican. You are basically a fascist.
Thanks for confirming you are a lib troll. It didn't take too long for you to begin disparaging and name calling.
Quote from: topside on March 29, 2017, 10:19:37 AM
Your responses are ingenuine - you've exhibited the typical behavior that you're mind is made up despite facts and no amount of debate will ever change it. It took about a microsecond to find this secondary source: ...
http://www.businessinsider.com/heroin-in-the-us-from-mexico-and-afghanistan-2016-3 (http://www.businessinsider.com/heroin-in-the-us-from-mexico-and-afghanistan-2016-3)
Of course, you have to be careful with secondary sources. A secondary source just means that someone else may have pulled something out of their ass instead of me. But this seems reference seems solid enough for this discussion.
I've known many families that are dealing with this horrific issue. And it's costing our nation a lot in terms of policing it and care for those who get addicted. Slowing this is just another part of the benefit to be had when we build the wall.
Don't get me wrong - I wish there were a better alternative. But building a wall is a logical component of protecting our southern border and battling several big problems for the US: Illegal immigration, terrorist entry, drug and human trafficking.
The opioids are in part leading to the increase in heroin use. They are interconneted. Heroin is not coming in through the border. Its coming in legally in cars, ships and planes.
Quote from: supsalemgr on March 29, 2017, 10:23:26 AM
Thanks for confirming you are a lib troll. It didn't take too long for you to begin disparaging and name calling.
Only name calling I see is you calling me a lib troll.
I also see me dominating him in the argument.
Thanks for responding to the content.
Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 10:25:05 AM
The opioids are in part leading to the increase in heroin use. They are interconneted. Heroin is not coming in through the border. Its coming in legally in cars, ships and planes.
""[Now] well over 95% of the drugs are moving on the water via container ships, non-commercial vessels, pleasure boats, sail boats, fishing boats. They also have fast boats which try to outrun our law enforcement assets."
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34934574
I win!
Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 10:25:05 AM
The opioids are in part leading to the increase in heroin use. They are interconneted. Heroin is not coming in through the border. Its coming in legally in cars, ships and planes.
Unfounded opinion - you need to do some homework. Back up your claims instead of pulling them out of your ass.
Quote from: topside on March 29, 2017, 10:31:41 AM
Unfounded opinion - you need to do some homework. Back up your claims instead of pulling them out of your ass.
I win again!!!
http://www.healthline.com/health-news/prescription-drugs-lead-to-addiction
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/29/health/gupta-unintended-consequences/
https://teens.drugabuse.gov/blog/post/prescription-opioid-abuse-can-lead-heroin-abuse
http://www.narconon.org/blog/heroin-addiction/5-reasons-prescription-addiction-turns-to-heroin/
Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 10:34:20 AM
I win again!!!
http://www.healthline.com/health-news/prescription-drugs-lead-to-addiction
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/29/health/gupta-unintended-consequences/
https://teens.drugabuse.gov/blog/post/prescription-opioid-abuse-can-lead-heroin-abuse
http://www.narconon.org/blog/heroin-addiction/5-reasons-prescription-addiction-turns-to-heroin/
So funny. You don't even know what issue we're talking about and you think you've won something? I guess if it makes you feel better. But already agree that opiod use may lead to use of other drugs - and you proved us both correct.
But we were talking about the amount of drugs that come across the southern borders being significant. I showed an article that identifies that the US southern border is a primary path for heroin. You changed the topic and went off in another direction to support this side topic. Nice job ... you're the winner! Wait ... what did you win? I guess you can have a participation trophy. Even that's a gift.
Quote from: topside on March 29, 2017, 10:45:07 AM
So funny. You don't even know what issue we're talking about and you think you've won something? I guess if it makes you feel better. But already agree that opiod use may lead to use of other drugs - and you proved us both correct.
But we were talking about the amount of drugs that come across the southern borders being significant. I showed an article that identifies that the US southern border is a primary path for heroin. You changed the topic and went off in another direction to support this side topic. Nice job ... you're the winner! Wait ... what did you win? I guess you can have a participation trophy. Even that's a gift.
I wrote: The opioids are in part leading to the increase in heroin use. They are interconneted. Heroin is not coming in through the border. Its coming in legally in cars, ships and planes.
you wrote: Unfounded opinion - you need to do some homework. Back up your claims instead of pulling them out of your ass.
Third loss in a row.
Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 10:17:56 AM
Your analogy is embarrassing. Under it, every country should have a wall. We should have won along the Atlantic seaboard, with Canada, and on the pacific. The ranchers along the border have mocked the wall as pointless.
Are Canadians flooding the border to enter the US illegally? Your analogies are something I'd expect from an ignorant child.
QuoteIf you are concerned about crime you would focus on the fact that the US commits more murders then any other country on earth. Immigrants comitt crimes at lesser rates then Americans. Many immigrants fly right into airports.
Dio you not agree, we are a nation of laws? So does it not make sense that if one are of our nation is seeing a huge influx of lawbreakers, we do all we can to stop it?
A fence is the first rational move, after that, security, law enforcement.
QuoteThere is crime in every town in America. Does every house have a wall around it? Should every?
Do they have locks on their doors?
QuoteDO you know why immigrants are coming from central America? Do you know why parents are sending ten year old girls to escape? Do you know what a refugee is?
Yes, because the Marxist party baited them with welfare.
QuoteDo you know at least 70% of them are considered refugees under international law?
Did you know that international law means dog shit where our Constitution is concerned?
QuoteDo you know that the US has military bases all over the world in other countries which destroy the environment and often rape young girls like in Asia? DO you know US companies employ children in central America to make baseballs and harvest sugar for ten cents a day? Do you know how many refugees countries in the Middle East have take cause we have started wars with them? How many refugees did Iraq war create? Who took them in? You know about the coup in Honduras? Do you know about the 50 military coups in the 80s that destroyed Central America. The CIA paying drug lords. Do you know how we force them to buy our tobacco under threat of pulling another coup as Kerry did? Even though it kills far more people then drugs? Where is your concern for the opioid epidemic started by American companies right here? Wall them off? You know the role banks playing in the drug trade? You know most drugs come in via ship or plane? You know immigrants comitt less crimes then whites and blacks?
POP! Hey Jim, that's a foul ball right out into leftist field. Yes Bob, you could say it had progressive written all over it.
QuoteYou are a joke, and in a one on one debate I would annihilate you. You aren't a republican. You are basically a fascist.
ROFL!!! Son, bring it on, I eat millennial like yo for snacks. But I think it's obvious you've lost this debate considering you ended pissed off and resorted to calling names. :wub:
Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 10:26:17 AM
Only name calling I see is you calling me a lib troll.
I also see me dominating him in the argument.
Thanks for responding to the content.
Lib troll is merely a clarifying word, not necessarily an insult.
And no son, you dominate nothing, far from it.
Hope you don't slink away defeated like many of those before you, getting their ass kicked, then claiming victory.
You wouldn't do that now, would you? :rolleyes:
Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 10:52:20 AM
I wrote: The opioids are in part leading to the increase in heroin use. They are interconneted. Heroin is not coming in through the border. Its coming in legally in cars, ships and planes.
you wrote: Unfounded opinion - you need to do some homework. Back up your claims instead of pulling them out of your ass.
Third loss in a row.
And you still won't even address the central topic in this sub-thread - so now you've now lost you're participation trophy.
I am the loser in this one - lost too much time with you in this thread. But I thought you might start a thoughtful discussion after you settled in a bit. Instead you seem to have a lot of random, unorganized issue on your mind. In the end, you have demonstrated that you're just another raving lefty.
I'll go on record saying that I respect Hispanics as much as any other nationality. As US citizens, we are brothers in arms who deserve the same shake as any other citizens. But as for those who want to come into the US illegally ... they need to ask and come through the front door instead of climbing through the window uninvited. A wall will help close the window.
Quote from: Solar on March 29, 2017, 11:09:09 AM
Lib troll is merely a clarifying word, not necessarily an insult.
And no son, you dominate nothing, far from it.
Hope you don't slink away defeated like many of those before you, getting their ass kicked, then claiming victory.
You wouldn't do that now, would you? :rolleyes:
Start a thread....just you and I one on one? Lets do this.
BTW I am not a liberal and hated Obama.
Re: Trump's border wall funding will likely have to wait
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Quote from: blake allyn on Today at 10:17:56 AM
Your analogy is embarrassing. Under it, every country should have a wall. We should have won along the Atlantic seaboard, with Canada, and on the pacific. The ranchers along the border have mocked the wall as pointless.
Are Canadians flooding the border to enter the US illegally? Your analogies are something I'd expect from an ignorant child.
No silly billy. We haven't colonized them and destroyed their societies. But what about the oceans? Cant terrorists get through Canada or drugs, which 95 percent are coming by sea? Silly billy.
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If you are concerned about crime you would focus on the fact that the US commits more murders then any other country on earth. Immigrants comitt crimes at lesser rates then Americans. Many immigrants fly right into airports.
Dio you not agree, we are a nation of laws? So does it not make sense that if one are of our nation is seeing a huge influx of lawbreakers, we do all we can to stop it?
A fence is the first rational move, after that, security, law enforcement.
I agree we are nation of laws. But thats irrelevant. The issue isn't whether we should stop illegal immigration the issue is how. A wall will do literally nothing to stem it. As have been factually pointed out to you. When it comes to drugs it will literally have zero effect.
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There is crime in every town in America. Does every house have a wall around it? Should every?
Do they have locks on their doors?
Yes, as do the southern ranchers. Do they all have walls around their homes? Obv not. You equate a lock with a wall? Hmmm
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DO you know why immigrants are coming from central America? Do you know why parents are sending ten year old girls to escape? Do you know what a refugee is?
Yes, because the Marxist party baited them with welfare.
There is no marxist party and immgrants have been coming here before even the new deal. But as your answer indicates, you have no clue why they are coming and what is exacerbting that desire. A simple look at the history of the region and modern day policies, such as the Honduras coup of a few years back, which you had no comment on cause you nothing about it.
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Do you know at least 70% of them are considered refugees under international law?
Did you know that international law means dog shit where our Constitution is concerned?
There is no contradiction as I am unaware the constitution has spoken on this issue. Refugees are not illegal immigrants. For example, if that were true, you would want all Cubans out of Florida. They were legitimate refugees escaping oppression as are those from central America. Under that warped logic, the turks should force their refugees back in to Syria be slaughtered. Such a horrible code to live by.
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Do you know that the US has military bases all over the world in other countries which destroy the environment and often rape young girls like in Asia? DO you know US companies employ children in central America to make baseballs and harvest sugar for ten cents a day? Do you know how many refugees countries in the Middle East have take cause we have started wars with them? How many refugees did Iraq war create? Who took them in? You know about the coup in Honduras? Do you know about the 50 military coups in the 80s that destroyed Central America. The CIA paying drug lords. Do you know how we force them to buy our tobacco under threat of pulling another coup as Kerry did? Even though it kills far more people then drugs? Where is your concern for the opioid epidemic started by American companies right here? Wall them off? You know the role banks playing in the drug trade? You know most drugs come in via ship or plane? You know immigrants comitt less crimes then whites and blacks?
POP! Hey Jim, that's a foul ball right out into leftist field. Yes Bob, you could say it had progressive written all over it.
No substantive remark cause you have no clue about any of it. All you know is to call anyone you disagree with a marxist. But you have no hsitorical knowledge, no insights, and without this little pond youd be a laughing stock.
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You are a joke, and in a one on one debate I would annihilate you. You aren't a republican. You are basically a fascist.
ROFL!!! Son, bring it on, I eat millennial like yo for snacks. But I think it's obvious you've lost this debate considering you ended pissed off and resorted to calling names. :wub:
There was no name calling outside of calling you a fascist to which you called me what a lib tard? If I am guilty of it as are you. No sorry it was marxist. Marixist=Facist. If you eat millenials for breakfast you must be a cannibal.
Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 10:52:20 AM
I wrote: The opioids are in part leading to the increase in heroin use. They are interconneted. Heroin is not coming in through the border. Its coming in legally in cars, ships and planes.
you wrote: Unfounded opinion - you need to do some homework. Back up your claims instead of pulling them out of your ass.
Third loss in a row.
I don't know exactly what your drug of choice is, but obviously it is clouding your ability to think with a clear head. Last time I checked, heroin and trafficking heroin was ILLEGAL ... saying it is coming in legally is absurd. Secondly, heroin DOES AND IS coming across the Mexican border; it is being smuggled in large part by the Mexican cartel; something that the U.S. has been fighting for decades.
Perhaps the use of the word 'smuggled' is throwing you ... smug·gle
ˈsməɡəl/
verb
verb: smuggle; 3rd person present: smuggles; past tense: smuggled; past participle: smuggled; gerund or present participle: smuggling
move (goods) illegally into or out of a country...
."Mexican cartels, however, have grown their share of the heroin market tremendously in recent years. Together, Mexican drug traffickers smuggled nearly a quarter-million pounds of heroin into the US in 2014, according to The Washington Post...."
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2016/mar/14/rob-portman/most-heroin-us-comes-over-mexican-
border/
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-heroin-coming-from-mexican-cartels
Quote from: Ms.Independence on March 29, 2017, 11:48:24 AM
I don't know exactly what your drug of choice is, but obviously it is clouding your ability to think with a clear head. Last time I checked, heroin and trafficking heroin was ILLEGAL ... saying it is coming in legally is absurd. Secondly, heroin DOES AND IS coming across the Mexican border; it is being smuggled in large part by the Mexican cartel; something that the U.S. has been fighting for decades.
Perhaps the use of the word 'smuggled' is throwing you ... smug·gle
ˈsməɡəl/
verb
verb: smuggle; 3rd person present: smuggles; past tense: smuggled; past participle: smuggled; gerund or present participle: smuggling
move (goods) illegally into or out of a country.
..."Mexican cartels, however, have grown their share of the heroin market tremendously in recent years. Together, Mexican drug traffickers smuggled nearly a quarter-million pounds of heroin into the US in 2014, according to The Washington Post...."
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2016/mar/14/rob-portman/most-heroin-us-comes-over-mexican-
border/
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-heroin-coming-from-mexican-cartels
I didn't say its coming in legally. I said it is comingin 95% via air and sea. The wall cant stop that.
You know I said that so not sure what you are trying to do here.
Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 12:00:26 PM
I didn't say its coming in legally. I said it is comingin 95% via air and sea. The wall cant stop that.
You know I said that so not sure what you are trying to do here.
You actually did write "legally" but I figured it was a mistake. But your point was that the ground smuggling was only a small fraction.
Again with the unsupported claims. Here a few facts to chew on - note that this is actually related to the topic we're discussing:
QuoteBack in the 1970s, the heroin on U.S. streets was the "black tar" variety, and much of it came from southeast Asia. In 2010, 80 percent of the heroin in the world came from poppy fields in Afghanistan, according to the Office of National Drug Control Policy.
So when Portman said that most of the heroin in America comes from Mexico's border, we were skeptical.
Portman, it turns out, has done his homework. The Drug Enforcement Administration's National Drug Threat Assessment of 2015 says that Mexico is the primary supplier of heroin to the United States.
"Southeast Asia was once the dominant supplier of heroin in the United States, but Southeast Asian heroin is now rarely detected in U.S. markets," the report state. "Mexico and, to a lesser extent, Colombia dominate the U.S. heroin market, because of their proximity, established transportation and distribution infrastructure, and ability to satisfy U.S. heroin demand."
The report also says that Mexican "transnational criminal organizations," (the DEA's term for drug-dealing gangs) "pose the greatest criminal drug threat to the United States; no other group is currently positioned to challenge them."
The National Drug Threat report notes that Colombian gangs were traditionally the suppliers of wholesale cocaine and heroin to Mexican and Dominican groups. But cartels in Mexico are ramping up their roles on the supply side -- opium production in Mexico increased by 50 percent in 2014.
Mexican labs also produce fentanyl, a synthetic painkiller that is 80 to 100 times stronger than morphine. Fentanyl is sometimes mixed with heroin or substituted for heroin, and the DEA reports more than 700 overdoses attributed to fentanyl between late 2013 and early 2015.
Drugs get past the U.S. borders mostly "by land, not by sea," said Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson, in the same March 8 hearing with Portman. And a 2015 Washington Post series on the surge of heroin puts the border detection rate at a scant 1.5 percent.
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2016/mar/14/rob-portman/most-heroin-us-comes-over-mexican-border/ (http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2016/mar/14/rob-portman/most-heroin-us-comes-over-mexican-border/)
Read carefully - much of our drugs are coming over the border by land. The more we stop coming in by land, the more we can put resources against other access methods.
Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 10:26:17 AM
Only name calling I see is you calling me a lib troll.
I also see me dominating him in the argument.
Thanks for responding to the content.
"You are a
joke, and in a one on one debate I would annihilate you. You aren't a republican. You are basically a
fascist."
Better brush up on your dictionary skills.
Quote from: topside on March 29, 2017, 12:12:57 PM
You actually did write "legally" but I figured it was a mistake. But your point was that the ground smuggling was only a small fraction.
Again with the unsupported claims. Here a few facts to chew on - note that this is actually related to the topic we're discussing:
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2016/mar/14/rob-portman/most-heroin-us-comes-over-mexican-border/ (http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2016/mar/14/rob-portman/most-heroin-us-comes-over-mexican-border/)
Read carefully - much of our drugs are coming over the border by land. The more we stop coming in by land, the more we can put resources against other access methods.
Of course some are, but as I said, most are coming through other means since stepping up border patrol.
Often at the border they will just throw the drugs over a fence and someone will pick them up.
You cannot stop entry of drugs into this country. Period. What you can do is legalize all drugs and as a result take the power away from criminals. Legalize, tax, and regulate and use proceeds to help with treatment.
Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 11:39:01 AM
Re: Trump's border wall funding will likely have to wait
« Reply #23 on: Today at 11:02:40 AM »
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Your analogy is embarrassing. Under it, every country should have a wall. We should have won along the Atlantic seaboard, with Canada, and on the pacific. The ranchers along the border have mocked the wall as pointless.
Are Canadians flooding the border to enter the US illegally? Your analogies are something I'd expect from an ignorant child.
No silly billy. We haven't colonized them and destroyed their societies. But what about the oceans? Cant terrorists get through Canada or drugs, which 95 percent are coming by sea? Silly billy.
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If you are concerned about crime you would focus on the fact that the US commits more murders then any other country on earth. Immigrants comitt crimes at lesser rates then Americans. Many immigrants fly right into airports.
Dio you not agree, we are a nation of laws? So does it not make sense that if one are of our nation is seeing a huge influx of lawbreakers, we do all we can to stop it?
A fence is the first rational move, after that, security, law enforcement.
I agree we are nation of laws. But thats irrelevant. The issue isn't whether we should stop illegal immigration the issue is how. A wall will do literally nothing to stem it. As have been factually pointed out to you. When it comes to drugs it will literally have zero effect.
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There is crime in every town in America. Does every house have a wall around it? Should every?
Do they have locks on their doors?
Yes, as do the southern ranchers. Do they all have walls around their homes? Obv not. You equate a lock with a wall? Hmmm
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DO you know why immigrants are coming from central America? Do you know why parents are sending ten year old girls to escape? Do you know what a refugee is?
Yes, because the Marxist party baited them with welfare.
There is no marxist party and immgrants have been coming here before even the new deal. But as your answer indicates, you have no clue why they are coming and what is exacerbting that desire. A simple look at the history of the region and modern day policies, such as the Honduras coup of a few years back, which you had no comment on cause you nothing about it.
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Do you know at least 70% of them are considered refugees under international law?
Did you know that international law means dog shit where our Constitution is concerned?
There is no contradiction as I am unaware the constitution has spoken on this issue. Refugees are not illegal immigrants. For example, if that were true, you would want all Cubans out of Florida. They were legitimate refugees escaping oppression as are those from central America. Under that warped logic, the turks should force their refugees back in to Syria be slaughtered. Such a horrible code to live by.
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Do you know that the US has military bases all over the world in other countries which destroy the environment and often rape young girls like in Asia? DO you know US companies employ children in central America to make baseballs and harvest sugar for ten cents a day? Do you know how many refugees countries in the Middle East have take cause we have started wars with them? How many refugees did Iraq war create? Who took them in? You know about the coup in Honduras? Do you know about the 50 military coups in the 80s that destroyed Central America. The CIA paying drug lords. Do you know how we force them to buy our tobacco under threat of pulling another coup as Kerry did? Even though it kills far more people then drugs? Where is your concern for the opioid epidemic started by American companies right here? Wall them off? You know the role banks playing in the drug trade? You know most drugs come in via ship or plane? You know immigrants comitt less crimes then whites and blacks?
POP! Hey Jim, that's a foul ball right out into leftist field. Yes Bob, you could say it had progressive written all over it.
No substantive remark cause you have no clue about any of it. All you know is to call anyone you disagree with a marxist. But you have no hsitorical knowledge, no insights, and without this little pond youd be a laughing stock.
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You are a joke, and in a one on one debate I would annihilate you. You aren't a republican. You are basically a fascist.
ROFL!!! Son, bring it on, I eat millennial like yo for snacks. But I think it's obvious you've lost this debate considering you ended pissed off and resorted to calling names. :wub:
There was no name calling outside of calling you a fascist to which you called me what a lib tard? If I am guilty of it as are you. No sorry it was marxist. Marixist=Facist. If you eat millenials for breakfast you must be a cannibal.
WTF Is this crap, who were you quoting?
Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 11:20:40 AM
Start a thread....just you and I one on one? Lets do this.
BTW I am not a liberal and hated Obama.
OK, green energy, tell me why green energy is superior to coal, oil, Ng, nuclear, hydro, all sources currently in use.
Quote from: Solar on March 29, 2017, 12:33:57 PM
WTF Is this crap, who were you quoting?
I replied in green to your lame responses to me. Sorry the formatting looks so bad.
One on debate solar? Just our own thread?
Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 12:36:54 PM
I replied in green to your lame responses to me. Sorry the formatting looks so bad.
One on debate solar? Just our own thread?
I gave you a topic just above your post, take your best shot.
Quote from: Solar on March 29, 2017, 12:44:17 PM
I gave you a topic just above your post, take your best shot.
COol topic. I'll start a thread.
Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 10:25:05 AM
The opioids are in part leading to the increase in heroin use. They are interconneted. Heroin is not coming in through the border. Its coming in legally in cars, ships and planes.
How would you know? Unless you are working in the DEA, Customs, border patrol or some other LEO agency tasked with drug interdiction/enforcement how would you know..... AND DO NOT QUOTE ME SOME REPORT BY SOME SO CALLED "NEWS" AGENCY. Quote me a credible Law Enforcement source such as the DEA or FBI.
While it is true that drugs to include opiods are smuggled into the country ILLEGALLY thru a variety of transport to include ship, plane, sea container and even old Soviet era submarines. HUMAN MULES smuggling drugs across the SOUTHWESTERN Border (And some from Canada) account for a significant portion of drugs brought into this country.
You are aware, are you not, that there is a narco terrorist war going on in Mexico with various cartels racking up a body count of about 60,000 known dead over the past few years...how many are still out buried in the desert yet undiscovered is anyone's guess.
These cartels CONTROL everything that comes across the SOUTHWESTERN border, drugs, money, guns and especially illegals....everybody pays. One way to pay is to carry a "package".
Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 07:19:41 AM
SO you are saying build walls between the upper east side and queens?
There's a difference between local US regions and a third world crap hole trying to invade us.
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The analogy is flawed.
No it isn't.
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If I owned a rich home
Like Bernie Sanders?
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in bad part of the state,
How can you tell if part of a state is "bad"?
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which is odd zoning, but lets assume. I would be far more worried about an American committing a crime there then a 12year old and his mother fleeing Honduras.
I'll let the Rockville girl's parents know...
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As I said, there are better ways to stop illegal immigration.
I agree, but then people say I get all Hitler like when I post my solutions...
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I would be much worried about Monsanto putting cancer in my air.
Cancer floats in the air? You really are gullible.
Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 09:42:53 AM
The drugs being put in our children are from Pharma. Or have you not been following the opioid epidemic?
Shall we build a wall around big pharma?
Why is there an epidemic?
Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 12:00:26 PM
I didn't say its coming in legally. I said it is comingin 95% via air and sea. The wall cant stop that.
You know I said that so not sure what you are trying to do here.
Yes, you did say coming in legally; and I quote:
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I wrote: The opioids are in part leading to the increase in heroin use. They are interconneted. Heroin is not coming in through the border.
Its coming in legally in cars, ships and planes. So ... if you'd provide some links to support your claim that heroin isn't coming across the border that would be welcomed. I provided a link stating that smuggling of heroin by the Mexican cartel is on the rise and therefore IS coming across the border illegally.
You asked what I am trying to do here? I'm giving you pertinent information that negates your claim that heroin isn't coming across the border.
Secondly, the primary aspect of the wall is to STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. You cut down on illegals coming across, you impact the coyotes and the Mexican cartel; thus you impact smuggling drugs across the border.
Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 10:17:56 AM
Your analogy is embarrassing. Under it, every country should have a wall.
Well, those countries would have a wall to keep their people in and from trying to enter our country, hence why we need a wall to keep them out. We're the best country on the planet, so I get it, but we have to keep these people out.
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We should have won along the Atlantic seaboard, with Canada, and on the pacific. The ranchers along the border have mocked the wall as pointless.
If you are concerned about crime you would focus on the fact that the US commits more murders then any other country on earth. Immigrants comitt crimes at lesser rates then Americans. Many immigrants fly right into airports.
Why are people swimming shark infested waters and rivers with alligators to come to our country with more crime? I thought they're looking for a better way of life?
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There is crime in every town in America.
Wrong. It's clear you don't live in the US with statements like that.
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Does every house have a wall around it? Should every?
Just those of us who can afford the extra security. It keeps the riff-raff out.
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DO you know why immigrants are coming from central America?
Because they're being incentivized to come here.
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Do you know why parents are sending ten year old girls to escape? Do you know what a refugee is? Do you know at least 70% of them are considered refugees under international law? Do you know that the US has military bases all over the world in other countries which destroy the environment and often rape young girls like in Asia? DO you know US companies employ children in central America to make baseballs and harvest sugar for ten cents a day? Do you know how many refugees countries in the Middle East have take cause we have started wars with them? How many refugees did Iraq war create? Who took them in? You know about the coup in Honduras? Do you know about the 50 military coups in the 80s that destroyed Central America. The CIA paying drug lords. Do you know how we force them to buy our tobacco under threat of pulling another coup as Kerry did? Even though it kills far more people then drugs? Where is your concern for the opioid epidemic started by American companies right here? Wall them off? You know the role banks playing in the drug trade? You know most drugs come in via ship or plane? You know immigrants comitt less crimes then whites and blacks?
Why are they coming to your country with all our crime? You said we have have the most. Why would they want that?
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You are a joke, and in a one on one debate I would annihilate you. You aren't a republican. You are basically a fascist.
Whoever told you that you're special lied to you. You've failed on every post so far. I'm going to politely ask that you start doing better.
Quote from: Ms.Independence on March 29, 2017, 08:59:36 AM
I like your idea of withdrawing foreign aide to Mexico and others to pay for the wall, but I'm not so sure that the amount would equal what is needed to pay for the wall. Certainly drastically reducing the amount of aid we give to other countries is a starting point. There are other places to recoup some of the money needed; the United States gives approximately $8 billion yearly in mandatory payments as an example.
To not fund the wall now is going to be a huge mistake and it could very well hurt those running for re-election in 2018.
http://us-foreign-aid.insidegov.com/
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/06/16/america-pay-way-too-much-for-united-nations.html
Personally I like the idea of taxing remittance. since a lot of this money is made illegally, cash payout, off the books etc. It isn't being taxed or even recorded in the first place....then there are the criminal enterprises who move a lot of money this way through a process called "smurfing" ....less than $10,000 transactions.
Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 12:29:25 PM
Of course some are, but as I said, most are coming through other means since stepping up border patrol.
Often at the border they will just throw the drugs over a fence and someone will pick them up.
You cannot stop entry of drugs into this country. Period. What you can do is legalize all drugs and as a result take the power away from criminals. Legalize, tax, and regulate and use proceeds to help with treatment.
Are you okay or is the Oxycontin kicking the crap out of you...?
First you say it's an "epidemic" in earlier post now we have to make iT legal so you can "take the power away from the criminals".
Quote from: Bronx on March 29, 2017, 03:08:11 PM
Are you okay or is the Oxycontin kicking the crap out of you...?
First you say it's an "epidemic" in earlier post now we have to make iT legal so you can "take the power away from the criminals".
There are no bright crayon in his box.
Quote from: Bronx on March 29, 2017, 03:08:11 PM
Are you okay or is the Oxycontin kicking the crap out of you...?
First you say it's an "epidemic" in earlier post now we have to make iT legal so you can "take the power away from the criminals".
My vote is I'd say that the Oxy kicked in a while ago ... silence on the other end. :biggrin:
Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 12:29:25 PM
You cannot stop entry of drugs into this country. Period. What you can do is legalize all drugs and as a result take the power away from criminals. Legalize, tax, and regulate and use proceeds to help with treatment.
History shows legalizing some vice or illegal industry doesn't take "Power away from criminals" it only empowers them thru semi legitimacy.
Legalize all drugs and you make the criminal gangs,outlaws, rebels, terrorists who control the industry even stronger and more prosperous. Plus you have no legal means to stop them or regulate them.
Quote from: Ms.Independence on March 29, 2017, 03:14:20 PM
My vote is I'd say that the Oxy kicked in a while ago ... silence on the other end. :biggrin:
Maybe it's global warming.... :thumbsup:
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on March 29, 2017, 03:15:31 PM
History shows legalizing some vice or illegal industry doesn't take "Power away from criminals" it only empowers them thru semi legitimacy.
Legalize all drugs and you make the criminal gangs,outlaws, rebels, terrorists who control the industry even stronger and more prosperous. Plus you have no legal means to stop them or regulate them.
There is a difference between legalizing and decriminalizing. In other words, it is illegal to sell drugs but if you are caught in possession of drugs for personal use, it is not a crime. Portugal (and I heard this on Beck) is a great example and I think a very logical approach to the rising drug/heroin epidemic. Rather than face prosecution for drug use, you face treatment. Gee...in my humble opinion, what a concept!
..."Portugal became the first European nation to take the brave step of
decriminalizing possession of all drugs within its borders—from marijuana to heroin, and everything in between. This controversial move went into effect in June of 2001, in response to the country's spiraling HIV/AIDS statistics. While many critics in the poor and largely conservative country attacked the sea change in drug policy, fearing it would lead to drug tourism while simultaneously worsening the country's already shockingly high rate of hard drug use, a report published in 2009 by the Cato Institute tells a different story. Glenn Greenwald, the attorney and author who conducted the research, told Time: "
Judging by every metric, drug decriminalization in Portugal has been a resounding success. It has enabled the Portuguese government to manage and control the drug problem far better than virtually every other Western country."...
...By freeing its citizens from the fear of prosecution and imprisonment for drug usage, Portugal has dramatically improved its ability to encourage drug addicts to avail themselves of treatment. The resources that were previously devoted to prosecuting and imprisoning drug addicts are now available to provide treatment programs to addicts." ...
Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 06:59:37 AM
Mexico is never going to pay for the wall, and if we were Mexican we would agree with that decision.
IMO, the wall will never get built. As things get closer to congressional elections it will become less and less likely.
I also view it as an unnecessary measure towards halting immigration. There are other more effective ways to deal with it.
"We" --- as in you speak for me, without asking? I got your two-word answer to THAT one!
Build a 30-foot wall with heavily-armed, manned guard towers. Put the unemployed to work, building the wall (and even guard jobs for those passing the background checks).
As for paying for the wall? Place a 25% excise tax on all money orders destined for South American addresses. The tax will serve in place of the U.S. income taxes the wetbacks are avoiding.
Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 10:26:17 AM
I also see me dominating him in the argument.
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No, but thanks for playing!
Quote from: Bronx on March 29, 2017, 03:08:11 PM
Are you okay or is the Oxycontin kicking the crap out of you...?
First you say it's an "epidemic" in earlier post now we have to make iT legal so you can "take the power away from the criminals".
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Solar on March 30, 2017, 06:23:14 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Oh you said pathetic people.
I didn't say make Oxyocntin legal. I said legalize every single drug there is. Studies show when drugs are legalized, use drops.
Now why legalize them? Cause people can get these drugs whenever they want. Making them illegal doesn't significantly restrict access, but what it does do, is empower the underground market.
When booze was made illegal, the mafia thrived. If you legalize, and have sold at pharmacy/outlets like other countries, you first make sure the drug is safest, and second you gain tax dollars.
The tax dollars allow you to focus on treatment and rehab and not throwing away drug addicts in prison to help the prison lobby.
Any drug I want I can have in five minutes. I dont want them cause they suck. But regulating, etc, is better then paying drug lords no, when access is barely effective.
There are many countries who have had a lot of success in this realm. Its a serious policy proposal and one supported by a good number of psychiatrists and doctors.
But I didn't mean to take you out of the dark ignorance you bath in.
Quote from: blake allyn on March 30, 2017, 07:32:04 AM
Oh you said pathetic people.
I didn't say make Oxyocntin legal. I said legalize every single drug there is. Studies show when drugs are legalized, use drops.
Now why legalize them? Cause people can get these drugs whenever they want. Making them illegal doesn't significantly restrict access, but what it does do, is empower the underground market.
When booze was made illegal, the mafia thrived. If you legalize, and have sold at pharmacy/outlets like other countries, you first make sure the drug is safest, and second you gain tax dollars.
The tax dollars allow you to focus on treatment and rehab and not throwing away drug addicts in prison to help the prison lobby.
Any drug I want I can have in five minutes. I dont want them cause they suck. But regulating, etc, is better then paying drug lords no, when access is barely effective.
There are many countries who have had a lot of success in this realm. Its a serious policy proposal and one supported by a good number of psychiatrists and doctors.
But I didn't mean to take you out of the dark ignorance you bath in.
Again ... big difference between legalization and decriminalization. Next.
Quote from: blake allyn on March 30, 2017, 07:32:04 AM
Oh you said pathetic people.
Say, there --- how's that winning friends and influencing people going for you? Oh yeah: it's "sad".
QuoteBut I didn't mean to take you out of the dark ignorance you bath in.
It's "bathe," and you're welcome for the correction.
Back on subject ... Congress holds the purse strings. I've written to my congressman (he's useless). They need to realize that their seats are up for grabs ... this is the issue that got Trump the nomination. They don't deliver on this and they could be looking at a huge upset in 2018. Ryan needs to realize he could be looking at losing his speakership.