Trump's border wall funding will likely have to wait

Started by Ms.Independence, March 29, 2017, 05:32:26 AM

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Quote from: Bronx on March 29, 2017, 03:08:11 PM
Are you okay or is the Oxycontin kicking the crap out of you...?

First you say it's an "epidemic" in earlier post now we have to make iT legal so you can "take the power away from the criminals".


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Quote from: Bronx on March 29, 2017, 03:08:11 PM
Are you okay or is the Oxycontin kicking the crap out of you...?

First you say it's an "epidemic" in earlier post now we have to make iT legal so you can "take the power away from the criminals".

My vote is I'd say that the Oxy kicked in a while ago ... silence on the other end.   :biggrin:
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Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 12:29:25 PM


You cannot stop entry of drugs into this country.  Period.  What you can do is legalize all drugs and as a result take the power away from criminals.  Legalize, tax, and regulate and use proceeds to help with treatment.

History shows legalizing some vice or illegal industry doesn't take "Power away from criminals" it only empowers them thru semi legitimacy.

Legalize all drugs and you make the criminal gangs,outlaws, rebels, terrorists who control the industry even stronger and more prosperous. Plus you have no legal means to stop them or regulate them.
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Quote from: Ms.Independence on March 29, 2017, 03:14:20 PM
My vote is I'd say that the Oxy kicked in a while ago ... silence on the other end.   :biggrin:

Maybe it's global warming.... :thumbsup:
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Quote from: Billy's bayonet on March 29, 2017, 03:15:31 PM
History shows legalizing some vice or illegal industry doesn't take "Power away from criminals" it only empowers them thru semi legitimacy.

Legalize all drugs and you make the criminal gangs,outlaws, rebels, terrorists who control the industry even stronger and more prosperous. Plus you have no legal means to stop them or regulate them.

There is a difference between legalizing and decriminalizing. In other words, it is illegal to sell drugs but if you are caught in possession of drugs for personal use, it is not a crime. Portugal (and I heard this on Beck) is a great example and I think a very logical approach to the rising drug/heroin epidemic.  Rather than face prosecution for drug use, you face treatment.  Gee...in my humble opinion, what a concept!

..."Portugal became the first European nation to take the brave step of decriminalizing possession of all drugs within its borders—from marijuana to heroin, and everything in between. This controversial move went into effect in June of 2001, in response to the country's spiraling HIV/AIDS statistics. While many critics in the poor and largely conservative country attacked the sea change in drug policy, fearing it would lead to drug tourism while simultaneously worsening the country's already shockingly high rate of hard drug use, a report published in 2009 by the Cato Institute tells a different story. Glenn Greenwald, the attorney and author who conducted the research, told Time: "Judging by every metric, drug decriminalization in Portugal has been a resounding success. It has enabled the Portuguese government to manage and control the drug problem far better than virtually every other Western country."...

...By freeing its citizens from the fear of prosecution and imprisonment for drug usage, Portugal has dramatically improved its ability to encourage drug addicts to avail themselves of treatment. The resources that were previously devoted to prosecuting and imprisoning drug addicts are now available to provide treatment programs to addicts." ...

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Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 06:59:37 AM
Mexico is never going to pay for the wall, and if we were Mexican we would agree with that decision.

IMO, the wall will never get built.  As things get closer to congressional elections it will become less and less likely.

I also view it as an unnecessary measure towards halting immigration.  There are other more effective ways to deal with it.

"We" --- as in you speak for me, without asking? I got your two-word answer to THAT one!

Build a 30-foot wall with heavily-armed, manned guard towers. Put the unemployed to work, building the wall (and even guard jobs for those passing the background checks).

As for paying for the wall? Place a 25% excise tax on all money orders destined for South American addresses. The tax will serve in place of the U.S. income taxes the wetbacks are avoiding.


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Quote from: Bronx on March 29, 2017, 03:08:11 PM
Are you okay or is the Oxycontin kicking the crap out of you...?

First you say it's an "epidemic" in earlier post now we have to make iT legal so you can "take the power away from the criminals".
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Quote from: Solar on March 30, 2017, 06:23:14 AM
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Oh you said pathetic people.

I didn't say make Oxyocntin legal.  I said legalize every single drug there is.  Studies show when drugs are legalized, use drops.

Now why legalize them?  Cause people can get these drugs whenever they want.  Making them illegal doesn't significantly restrict access, but what it does do, is empower the underground market.

When booze was made illegal, the mafia thrived.  If you legalize, and have sold at pharmacy/outlets like other countries, you first make sure the drug is safest, and second you gain tax dollars.

The tax dollars allow you to focus on treatment and rehab and not throwing away drug addicts in prison to help the prison lobby.

Any drug I want I can have in five minutes. I dont want them cause they suck.  But regulating, etc, is better then paying drug lords no, when access is barely effective.

There are many countries who have had a lot of success in this realm.  Its a serious policy proposal and one supported by a good number of psychiatrists and doctors.

But I didn't mean to take you out of the dark ignorance you bath in.

Ms.Independence

Quote from: blake allyn on March 30, 2017, 07:32:04 AM


Oh you said pathetic people.

I didn't say make Oxyocntin legal.  I said legalize every single drug there is.  Studies show when drugs are legalized, use drops.

Now why legalize them?  Cause people can get these drugs whenever they want.  Making them illegal doesn't significantly restrict access, but what it does do, is empower the underground market.

When booze was made illegal, the mafia thrived.  If you legalize, and have sold at pharmacy/outlets like other countries, you first make sure the drug is safest, and second you gain tax dollars.

The tax dollars allow you to focus on treatment and rehab and not throwing away drug addicts in prison to help the prison lobby.

Any drug I want I can have in five minutes. I dont want them cause they suck.  But regulating, etc, is better then paying drug lords no, when access is barely effective.

There are many countries who have had a lot of success in this realm.  Its a serious policy proposal and one supported by a good number of psychiatrists and doctors.

But I didn't mean to take you out of the dark ignorance you bath in.

Again ... big difference between legalization and decriminalization.  Next.
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quiller

Quote from: blake allyn on March 30, 2017, 07:32:04 AM
Oh you said pathetic people.

Say, there --- how's that winning friends and influencing people going for you? Oh yeah: it's "sad".

QuoteBut I didn't mean to take you out of the dark ignorance you bath in.

It's "bathe," and you're welcome for the correction.

Ms.Independence

Back on subject ... Congress holds the purse strings.  I've written to my congressman (he's useless). They need to realize that their seats are up for grabs ... this is the issue that got Trump the nomination.  They don't deliver on this and they could be looking at a huge upset in 2018.  Ryan needs to realize he could be looking at losing his speakership.
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another...Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed...