Trump's border wall funding will likely have to wait

Started by Ms.Independence, March 29, 2017, 05:32:26 AM

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supsalemgr

Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 10:17:56 AM
Your analogy is embarrassing.  Under it, every country should have a wall.  We should have won along the Atlantic seaboard, with Canada, and on the pacific.  The ranchers along the border have mocked the wall as pointless.

If you are concerned about crime you would focus on the fact that the US commits more murders then any other country on earth.  Immigrants comitt crimes at lesser rates then Americans.  Many immigrants fly right into airports.

There is crime in every town in America.  Does every house have a wall around it?  Should every? 

DO you know why immigrants are coming from central America?  Do you know why parents are sending ten year old girls to escape?  Do you know what a refugee is?  Do you know at least 70% of them are considered refugees under international law?  Do you know that the US has military bases all over the world in other countries which destroy the environment and often rape young girls like in Asia?  DO you know US companies employ children in central America to make baseballs and harvest sugar for ten cents a day?  Do you know how many refugees countries in the Middle East have take cause we have started wars with them?  How many refugees did Iraq war create?  Who took them in?  You know about the coup in Honduras?  Do you know about the 50 military coups in the 80s that destroyed Central America.  The CIA paying drug lords.  Do you know how we force them to buy our tobacco under threat of pulling another coup as Kerry did?  Even though it kills far more people then drugs?  Where is your concern for the opioid epidemic started by American companies right here?  Wall them off?  You know the role banks playing in the drug trade?  You know most drugs come in via ship or plane?  You know immigrants comitt less crimes then whites and blacks? 

You are a joke, and in a one on one debate I would annihilate you.  You aren't a republican.  You are basically a fascist.

Thanks for confirming you are a lib troll. It didn't take too long for you to begin disparaging and name calling.
"If you can't run with the big dawgs, stay on the porch!"

blake allyn

Quote from: topside on March 29, 2017, 10:19:37 AM
Your responses are ingenuine - you've exhibited the typical behavior that you're mind is made up despite facts and no amount of debate will ever change it. It took about a microsecond to find this secondary source:  ...

http://www.businessinsider.com/heroin-in-the-us-from-mexico-and-afghanistan-2016-3

Of course, you have to be careful with secondary sources. A secondary source just means that someone else may have pulled something out of their ass instead of me. But this seems reference seems solid enough for this discussion.

I've known many families that are dealing with this horrific issue. And it's costing our nation a lot in terms of policing it and care for those who get addicted. Slowing this is just another part of the benefit to be had when we build the wall.

Don't get me wrong - I wish there were a better alternative. But building a wall is a logical component of protecting our southern border and battling several big problems for the US: Illegal immigration, terrorist entry, drug and human trafficking.
The opioids are in part leading to the increase in heroin use.  They are interconneted.  Heroin is not coming in through the border.  Its coming in legally in cars, ships and planes. 

blake allyn

Quote from: supsalemgr on March 29, 2017, 10:23:26 AM
Thanks for confirming you are a lib troll. It didn't take too long for you to begin disparaging and name calling.
Only name calling I see is you calling me a lib troll.

I also see me dominating him in the argument.

Thanks for responding to the content.

blake allyn

Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 10:25:05 AM
The opioids are in part leading to the increase in heroin use.  They are interconneted.  Heroin is not coming in through the border.  Its coming in legally in cars, ships and planes.

""[Now] well over 95% of the drugs are moving on the water via container ships, non-commercial vessels, pleasure boats, sail boats, fishing boats. They also have fast boats which try to outrun our law enforcement assets."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34934574

I win!

topside

Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 10:25:05 AM
The opioids are in part leading to the increase in heroin use.  They are interconneted.  Heroin is not coming in through the border.  Its coming in legally in cars, ships and planes.

Unfounded opinion - you need to do some homework. Back up your claims instead of pulling them out of your ass. 


topside

Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 10:34:20 AM
I win again!!!

http://www.healthline.com/health-news/prescription-drugs-lead-to-addiction
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/29/health/gupta-unintended-consequences/
https://teens.drugabuse.gov/blog/post/prescription-opioid-abuse-can-lead-heroin-abuse
http://www.narconon.org/blog/heroin-addiction/5-reasons-prescription-addiction-turns-to-heroin/

So funny. You don't even know what issue we're talking about and you think you've won something? I guess if it makes you feel better. But already agree that opiod use may lead to use of other drugs - and you proved us both correct.

But we were talking about the amount of drugs that come across the southern borders being significant. I showed an article that identifies that the US southern border is a primary path for heroin. You changed the topic and went off in another direction to support this side topic. Nice job ... you're the winner! Wait ... what did you win? I guess you can have a participation trophy. Even that's a gift.

blake allyn

Quote from: topside on March 29, 2017, 10:45:07 AM
So funny. You don't even know what issue we're talking about and you think you've won something? I guess if it makes you feel better. But already agree that opiod use may lead to use of other drugs - and you proved us both correct.

But we were talking about the amount of drugs that come across the southern borders being significant. I showed an article that identifies that the US southern border is a primary path for heroin. You changed the topic and went off in another direction to support this side topic. Nice job ... you're the winner! Wait ... what did you win? I guess you can have a participation trophy. Even that's a gift.

I wrote: The opioids are in part leading to the increase in heroin use.  They are interconneted.  Heroin is not coming in through the border.  Its coming in legally in cars, ships and planes.

you wrote:  Unfounded opinion - you need to do some homework. Back up your claims instead of pulling them out of your ass.



Third loss in a row.

Solar

Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 10:17:56 AM
Your analogy is embarrassing.  Under it, every country should have a wall.  We should have won along the Atlantic seaboard, with Canada, and on the pacific.  The ranchers along the border have mocked the wall as pointless.
Are Canadians flooding the border to enter the US illegally? Your analogies are something I'd expect from an ignorant child.

QuoteIf you are concerned about crime you would focus on the fact that the US commits more murders then any other country on earth.  Immigrants comitt crimes at lesser rates then Americans.  Many immigrants fly right into airports.
Dio you not agree, we are a nation of laws? So does it not make sense that if one are of our nation is seeing a huge influx of lawbreakers, we do all we can to stop it?
A fence is the first rational move, after that, security, law enforcement.

QuoteThere is crime in every town in America.  Does every house have a wall around it?  Should every?
Do they have locks on their doors?

QuoteDO you know why immigrants are coming from central America?  Do you know why parents are sending ten year old girls to escape?  Do you know what a refugee is?
Yes, because the Marxist party baited them with welfare.

QuoteDo you know at least 70% of them are considered refugees under international law?
Did you know that international law means dog shit where our Constitution is concerned?

QuoteDo you know that the US has military bases all over the world in other countries which destroy the environment and often rape young girls like in Asia?  DO you know US companies employ children in central America to make baseballs and harvest sugar for ten cents a day?  Do you know how many refugees countries in the Middle East have take cause we have started wars with them?  How many refugees did Iraq war create?  Who took them in?  You know about the coup in Honduras?  Do you know about the 50 military coups in the 80s that destroyed Central America.  The CIA paying drug lords.  Do you know how we force them to buy our tobacco under threat of pulling another coup as Kerry did?  Even though it kills far more people then drugs?  Where is your concern for the opioid epidemic started by American companies right here?  Wall them off?  You know the role banks playing in the drug trade?  You know most drugs come in via ship or plane?  You know immigrants comitt less crimes then whites and blacks?
POP! Hey Jim, that's a foul ball right out into leftist field. Yes Bob, you could say it had progressive written all over it.

QuoteYou are a joke, and in a one on one debate I would annihilate you.  You aren't a republican.  You are basically a fascist.
ROFL!!! Son, bring it on, I eat millennial like yo for snacks. But I think it's obvious you've lost this debate considering you ended pissed off and resorted to calling names. :wub:
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Solar

Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 10:26:17 AM
Only name calling I see is you calling me a lib troll.

I also see me dominating him in the argument.

Thanks for responding to the content.
Lib troll is merely a clarifying word, not necessarily an insult.
And no son, you dominate nothing, far from it.
Hope you don't slink away defeated like many of those before you, getting their ass kicked, then claiming victory.
You wouldn't do that now, would you? :rolleyes:
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topside

Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 10:52:20 AM
I wrote: The opioids are in part leading to the increase in heroin use.  They are interconneted.  Heroin is not coming in through the border.  Its coming in legally in cars, ships and planes.

you wrote:  Unfounded opinion - you need to do some homework. Back up your claims instead of pulling them out of your ass.



Third loss in a row.

And you still won't even address the central topic in this sub-thread - so now you've now lost you're participation trophy.

I am the loser in this one - lost too much time with you in this thread. But I thought you might start a thoughtful discussion after you settled in a bit. Instead you seem to have a lot of random, unorganized issue on your mind. In the end, you have demonstrated that you're just another raving lefty.

I'll go on record saying that I respect Hispanics as much as any other nationality. As US citizens, we are brothers in arms who deserve the same shake as any other citizens. But as for those who want to come into the US illegally ... they need to ask and come through the front door instead of climbing through the window uninvited. A wall will help close the window.

blake allyn

Quote from: Solar on March 29, 2017, 11:09:09 AM
Lib troll is merely a clarifying word, not necessarily an insult.
And no son, you dominate nothing, far from it.
Hope you don't slink away defeated like many of those before you, getting their ass kicked, then claiming victory.
You wouldn't do that now, would you? :rolleyes:
Start a thread....just you and I one on one?  Lets do this.

BTW I am not a liberal and hated Obama.

blake allyn

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Re: Trump's border wall funding will likely have to wait
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Quote from: blake allyn on Today at 10:17:56 AM
Your analogy is embarrassing.  Under it, every country should have a wall.  We should have won along the Atlantic seaboard, with Canada, and on the pacific.  The ranchers along the border have mocked the wall as pointless.
Are Canadians flooding the border to enter the US illegally? Your analogies are something I'd expect from an ignorant child.

No silly billy.  We haven't colonized them and destroyed their societies.  But what about the oceans?  Cant terrorists get through Canada or drugs, which 95 percent are coming by sea?  Silly billy.
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If you are concerned about crime you would focus on the fact that the US commits more murders then any other country on earth.  Immigrants comitt crimes at lesser rates then Americans.  Many immigrants fly right into airports.
Dio you not agree, we are a nation of laws? So does it not make sense that if one are of our nation is seeing a huge influx of lawbreakers, we do all we can to stop it?
A fence is the first rational move, after that, security, law enforcement.
I agree we are nation of laws.  But thats irrelevant.  The issue isn't whether we should stop illegal immigration the issue is how.  A wall will do literally nothing to stem it.  As have been factually pointed out to you.  When it comes to drugs it will literally have zero effect.
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There is crime in every town in America.  Does every house have a wall around it?  Should every?

Do they have locks on their doors?
Yes, as do the southern ranchers.  Do they all have walls around their homes?  Obv not.  You equate a lock with a wall?  Hmmm
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DO you know why immigrants are coming from central America?  Do you know why parents are sending ten year old girls to escape?  Do you know what a refugee is?

Yes, because the Marxist party baited them with welfare.
There is no marxist party and immgrants have been coming here before even the new deal.  But as your answer indicates, you have no clue why they are coming and what is exacerbting that desire.  A simple look at the history of the region and modern day policies, such as the Honduras coup of a few years back, which you had no comment on cause you nothing about it.

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Do you know at least 70% of them are considered refugees under international law?

Did you know that international law means dog shit where our Constitution is concerned?
There is no contradiction as I am unaware the constitution has spoken on this issue.  Refugees are not illegal immigrants.  For example, if that were true, you would want all Cubans out of Florida.  They were legitimate refugees escaping oppression as are those from central America.  Under that warped logic, the turks should force their refugees back in to Syria be slaughtered.  Such a horrible code to live by.

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Do you know that the US has military bases all over the world in other countries which destroy the environment and often rape young girls like in Asia?  DO you know US companies employ children in central America to make baseballs and harvest sugar for ten cents a day?  Do you know how many refugees countries in the Middle East have take cause we have started wars with them?  How many refugees did Iraq war create?  Who took them in?  You know about the coup in Honduras?  Do you know about the 50 military coups in the 80s that destroyed Central America.  The CIA paying drug lords.  Do you know how we force them to buy our tobacco under threat of pulling another coup as Kerry did?  Even though it kills far more people then drugs?  Where is your concern for the opioid epidemic started by American companies right here?  Wall them off?  You know the role banks playing in the drug trade?  You know most drugs come in via ship or plane?  You know immigrants comitt less crimes then whites and blacks?
 
POP! Hey Jim, that's a foul ball right out into leftist field. Yes Bob, you could say it had progressive written all over it.
No substantive remark cause you have no clue about any of it.  All you know is to call anyone you disagree with a marxist.  But you have no hsitorical knowledge, no insights, and without this little pond youd be a laughing stock.
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You are a joke, and in a one on one debate I would annihilate you.  You aren't a republican.  You are basically a fascist.
ROFL!!! Son, bring it on, I eat millennial like yo for snacks. But I think it's obvious you've lost this debate considering you ended pissed off and resorted to calling names. :wub:
There was no name calling outside of calling you a fascist to which you called me what a lib tard?  If I am guilty of it as are you.  No sorry it was marxist.  Marixist=Facist.  If you eat millenials for breakfast you must be a cannibal.

Ms.Independence

Quote from: blake allyn on March 29, 2017, 10:52:20 AM
I wrote: The opioids are in part leading to the increase in heroin use.  They are interconneted.  Heroin is not coming in through the border.  Its coming in legally in cars, ships and planes.

you wrote:  Unfounded opinion - you need to do some homework. Back up your claims instead of pulling them out of your ass.



Third loss in a row.

I don't know exactly what your drug of choice is, but obviously it is clouding your ability to think with a clear head.  Last time I checked, heroin and trafficking heroin was ILLEGAL ... saying it is coming in legally is absurd.  Secondly, heroin DOES AND IS coming across the Mexican border; it is being smuggled in large part by the Mexican cartel; something that the U.S. has been fighting for decades.

Perhaps the use of the word 'smuggled' is throwing you ...  smug·gle
ˈsməɡəl/
verb
verb: smuggle; 3rd person present: smuggles; past tense: smuggled; past participle: smuggled; gerund or present participle: smuggling

    move (goods) illegally into or out of a country.


..."Mexican cartels, however, have grown their share of the heroin market tremendously in recent years. Together, Mexican drug traffickers smuggled nearly a quarter-million pounds of heroin into the US in 2014, according to The Washington Post...."

http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2016/mar/14/rob-portman/most-heroin-us-comes-over-mexican-
border/

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-heroin-coming-from-mexican-cartels
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another...Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed...

blake allyn

Quote from: Ms.Independence on March 29, 2017, 11:48:24 AM
I don't know exactly what your drug of choice is, but obviously it is clouding your ability to think with a clear head.  Last time I checked, heroin and trafficking heroin was ILLEGAL ... saying it is coming in legally is absurd.  Secondly, heroin DOES AND IS coming across the Mexican border; it is being smuggled in large part by the Mexican cartel; something that the U.S. has been fighting for decades.

Perhaps the use of the word 'smuggled' is throwing you ...  smug·gle
ˈsməɡəl/
verb
verb: smuggle; 3rd person present: smuggles; past tense: smuggled; past participle: smuggled; gerund or present participle: smuggling

    move (goods) illegally into or out of a country.


..."Mexican cartels, however, have grown their share of the heroin market tremendously in recent years. Together, Mexican drug traffickers smuggled nearly a quarter-million pounds of heroin into the US in 2014, according to The Washington Post...."

http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2016/mar/14/rob-portman/most-heroin-us-comes-over-mexican-
border/

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-heroin-coming-from-mexican-cartels

I didn't say its coming in legally.  I said it is comingin 95% via air and sea.  The wall cant stop that.

You know I said that so not sure what you are trying to do here.